Red Baron SFX Trailer

[AntEater]

http://video.mail.ru/list/pealot/2/8.html
:o:up::huh:

Keep in mind that this is not Hollywood, but Ludwigsburg
:D

[Jimbuna]

Ludwigsburg is great all the same :up:

[The Avon Lady]

Nice movie but the music seemed totally wrong.

[AntEater]

It's not an official movie trailer, but rather a demo tape of the SFX company, which is based in Ludwigsburg.
Ludwigsburg is a small town near Stuttgart previously mostly known for the largest prison of germany (now a museum).

[Jimbuna]

It's not an official movie trailer, but rather a demo tape of the SFX company, which is based in Ludwigsburg.
Ludwigsburg is a small town near Stuttgart previously mostly known for the largest prison of germany (now a museum).

Nice place....once spent some time there :D

[robbo180265]

Looks fantastic,gotta say I had no trouble with the music - just like one of Dowly's videos:up:

[Chock]

Been looking forward to this movie coming out for a long while, since Von Richtofen is the subject of many books in my collection. From what I can gather, the treatment of Manfred Von Richthofen in this movie does seem to be fairly genuine, as opposed to the the usual Hollywood 'Gott in Himmel, I am zee Red Baron' type of portrayal he invariably gets insulted with in movies. Actually if you've ever read his autobiography (which admittedly was partly ghost-written), you'll know the guy had quite a cool sense of humour.

Anyway, this upcoming film certainly couldn't be any worse than that recent 'Flyboys' pile of arse, which came across like Beverley Hills 90210 with Biplanes.

Hopefully the actual film music will be sympathetic to the period. It all goes horribly wrong when a WW1 flick has modern music, as anyone who's ever watched Gallipoli will know, a decent movie spoiled by quite possibly the most intrusive and inappropriate soundtrack of all time.

:D Chock

[August]

which came across like Beverley Hills 90210 with Biplanes.

:rotfl:

[stabiz]

Great graphics! Hope its DX9! :rotfl:

Seriously, metal and WW1 (or WW2, for that matter) is really a good way to make me want to hurt small animals.

Looks like fun, lets just hope the music is a clever marketing ploy in the trailers to lure the Linkin Parkers into the theatres.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, being at the library I couldn't listen to the music. That said, I must mention that I had high hopes from an earlier trailer showing the Albatroses, but seeing an action sequence like that makes me nervous. The CGI looks good, but the roll rates on some of the planes look awfully fast for some of the comparisons I've seen. I hope that trailer was speeded up a little, or I'm going to be throwing a lot of popcorn.

[August]

Well, being at the library I couldn't listen to the music. That said, I must mention that I had high hopes from an earlier trailer showing the Albatroses, but seeing an action sequence like that makes me nervous. The CGI looks good, but the roll rates on some of the planes look awfully fast for some of the comparisons I've seen. I hope that trailer was speeded up a little, or I'm going to be throwing a lot of popcorn.

It's a sad thing to say but I don't think we'll ever see a technically accurate WW1 Air Combat movie. The flight data on the aircraft is much too scanty and without hard numbers there's nothing to stop hollywood from taking artistic liberties to increase the action.

[Heibges]

But to a WWI flier, going 100mph might feel the same as a WWI flier going 400mph. It is largely a matter of perspective.

If it was slowed down, realistic and "accurate", it might not come across as "authentic" because it would not capture the excitement and fear of WWI combat because we are too used to jets.

[Tchocky]

Honesty is not synomynous with truth, eh?

[Heibges]

At least according to a bunch of socialist deconstructionist historians. :lol:

[waste gate]

But to a WWI flier, going 100mph might feel the same as a WWI flier going 400mph. It is largely a matter of perspective.

If it was slowed down, realistic and "accurate", it might not come across as "authentic" because it would not capture the excitement and fear of WWI combat because we are too used to jets.

You are correct in the fact that perspective/relativity does come into play Heibges. 350 kt at FL20 is far different than 350 kt at 500'.

We are also talking about Hollywood and what they feel will sell. 100 kt at altitude can seem very slow. Unless of course you are in the furball.

Since I have aviation experience I'd rather see the 100 kt dogfight, but very few have my background, and if you want to make money in the movie business liberties have to be taken.

[Heibges]

Although I agree with you, what I meant was that the director is trying to make the audience feel like the were a flier is 1917. If you were flier in 1917, riding in a sopwith camel would feel to you, like riding riding in a F-16 would today.

When they first flew their aircract both pilots might remark, "OMG, I can't believe I'm going this fast!", although they flew them 60 years apart.

[Chock]

Actually, I have some genuine period footage of a Fokker Dr1 taking off, and you'd be surprised how swiftly that thing gets off the deck. It climbs straight out at what looks like about 35-40 degrees nose up with no sign of slowing down or stopping until it is well out of shot! Even something as low powered as an AVRO 504 can lift off pretty rapid (check out the first five minutes of the film, Reach for the Sky, you'll see the one in the 'first solo' flight sequence get off the ground from a standing start literally in about seven seconds, and subsequently go up like a rocket).

Lots of people who fly genuine (or at least as genuine as they can be) WW1 aircraft, have commented that the original power ratings for LeRhone, Bentley and Oberursel rotaries were way off the mark too, with a serious underestimation of how much they were really kicking out, which isn't really that surprising since aerodynamics and internal combustion engines were both pretty much in their infancy as far as understanding was concerned at that time. Read Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WW1 for some contemporary reports of aircraft, and if you know anything about aerodynamics or engines, you'll see what I mean!

Although as Sailor Steve points out, generally speaking the ailerons on WW1 era aeroplanes were largely crappy, which probably would have meant fairly poor rates of roll. So I guess we are going for a bit of artistic license in that clip, and certainly no pilot of the sesquiplane Albatross variants who valued his life would have gone into a screaming dive if he wanted the lower wing to stay on.

Nevertheless, since many of the aircraft featured in that clip would have had rotary engines, they would indeed have turned on a sixpence in at least one direction, and could probably use gyroscopic precession to assist in rolling too. The later versions of the SPAD, one or two of which were armed with cannons (which presumably make an appearance in the film at some point since old Von Richthofen nailed one or two) were easily capable of diving at 200mph, as was the Fokker DVII (which incidentally, Von Richthofen had a say in the design of, even though he never used one in combat). Most Fokker aircraft had a lot of welded steel in their constuction too, so they were pretty tough old birds in a lot of respects.

Not every WW1 aircraft flopped around the sky like a flimsy box kite, and you have to remember that if someone is shooting at your ass, you'd be more likely to push things than any pilot you see flying something like that at an airshow would be inclined to do.

:D Chock

[Officerpuppy]

Looks pretty cool, been hoping there would be another WWI movie that would better than Flyboys was. Although I find the movie entertaining, it felt that they over simplified the planes, I'm not a WWI historyl buff, but I know darn sure that not every German flew a Folker Dr.1.

[nikimcbee]

Looks pretty cool, been hoping there would be another WWI movie that would better than Flyboys was. Although I find the movie entertaining, it felt that they over simplified the planes, I'm not a WWI historyl buff, but I know darn sure that not every German flew a Folker Dr.1.

According to "Flyboys" they did.:damn:

That looks totally cool. I love the Albatros V, the Red Baron's true plane.

[Heibges]

Have any of you guys played "First Eagles: Great Air War 1918" by Thirdwire?

[Chock]

Yup, sure have, check out this video I made with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPcbDxaZXbc

:D Chock

[August]

Although I agree with you, what I meant was that the director is trying to make the audience feel like the were a flier is 1917. If you were flier in 1917, riding in a sopwith camel would feel to you, like riding riding in a F-16 would today.

When they first flew their aircract both pilots might remark, "OMG, I can't believe I'm going this fast!", although they flew them 60 years apart.

Yeah perspective is everything. WW1 pilots were all born in a time when the fastest anyone ever went by any means was on the back of a good horse. It's hard for us to imagine what those speeds must have felt like to them without applying modern standards to it.

I blame video games. :yep:

[August]

Looks pretty cool, been hoping there would be another WWI movie that would better than Flyboys was. Although I find the movie entertaining, it felt that they over simplified the planes, I'm not a WWI historyl buff, but I know darn sure that not every German flew a Folker Dr.1.

Yeah and they darn sure weren't all painted red.