hit and run? passenger beaten to death by mob

[jumpy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6224538.stm

nice to see you yankees are not immune to the rabble rabble mentality when it comes right down to it.
Shame for they guy for trying to do the right thing though :dead:

[Letum]

Very tragic.

It might be best not to discuss such highly emotive news events whilst General Topics is Condition Orange.

Lets have something a little more trivial for a change!

[The Avon Lady]

Lets have something a little more trivial for a change!
Appropitaely related: The 10 pillars of Car-istianity (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070619/od_nm/vatican_road1_dc;_ylt=AiAPep6rhNiNIHXwtgPfIhXtiBIF ).

[Skybird]

Very tragic.

It might be best not to discuss such highly emotive news events whilst General Topics is Condition Orange.

It is not emotive (at least for me), and it is not "something American". This is psychological group dynamic at work, and there is no country and no people where it does not happen. It's an incident reminding us of man's biological side of nature, not more, not less. In stories like this we see how thin the civilizational make-up of our behavior and decision-making really is.

[Takeda Shingen]

It is not emotive (at least for me), and it is not "something American". This is psychological group dynamic at work, and there is no country and no people where it does not happen. It's an incident reminding us of man's biological side of nature, not more, not less. In stories like this we see how thin the civilizational make-up of our behavior and decision-making really is.

Nicely said.

[Skybird]

Actually, what I express - by content - is owed to Freud.

[jumpy]

CONDITION ORANGE? since when ? :lol:

[Takeda Shingen]

CONDITION ORANGE? since when ? :lol:

Read: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=117082

[SUBMAN1]

And you wonder why a .45 Kimber Pro Carry, with a couple clips is sitting in my car glovebox right now? You'll never see it, but I know its there. I like to believe it is more for attitude adjustment in a situation like that, than for actual use.

If the driver produced a firearm in that situation, his passenger would still be alive.

-S

[Tchocky]

And if someone in the crowd was similiarly armed?

same result, but worth keeping in mind

[SUBMAN1]

And if someone in the crowd was similiarly armed?

same result, but worth keeping in mind

Exactly same result, because being caught with a firearm, and going up to kick the living crap out of someone is not a smart thing to do - big time jail time for that. Having a firearm tends to make people more level headed and think twice about his or her actions if you've ever had experience with one. I can understand not knowing much about it though over in your neck of the woods though.

-S

[tycho102]

The incident happened near Austin, Texas, as crowd of between 2,000-3,000 people gathered for the annual Juneteenth festival, which commemorates the freeing of American slaves.

There's more to the story than the media is reporting.
Sounds like the driver was Mexican, which is going to cause racial tension with black gangs, regardless if the Mexican was in a gang or not (the guy was 40, so I'm going to guess not).

[Heibges]

Lets have something a little more trivial for a change!
Appropitaely related: The 10 pillars of Car-istianity (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070619/od_nm/vatican_road1_dc;_ylt=AiAPep6rhNiNIHXwtgPfIhXtiBIF ).

Is this segway into Vatican Auto Insurance?

[Tchocky]

Exactly same result, because being caught with a firearm, and going up to kick the living crap out of someone is not a smart thing to do - big time jail time for that. Having a firearm tends to make people more level headed and think twice about his or her actions if you've ever had experience with one. These people were happy to beat someone to death. That takes time. I can't see the much shorter process of shooting someone dead involving more level-headedness, more consideration. I just don't get it. I don't see how owning a gun changes how concerned the person is with someone else's safety.
I can understand not knowing much about it though over in your neck of the woods though. True, Tchock and guns tend not to cross paths.
I've had them pointed at me, and that's enough!


EDIT - Um, like Tak said. SUBMAN (or anyone), if you're quotiong or responding, go to the other thread. I'll be right behind you :)

[Takeda Shingen]

Gentlemen, I was persuaded into leaving this http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109983&highlight=firearms thread open with the understanding that it was imperative that all of the valuable firearm discussion be kept in one centralized location. Please use it.

Thank you,
The Management

[SUBMAN1]

Exactly same result, because being caught with a firearm, and going up to kick the living crap out of someone is not a smart thing to do - big time jail time for that. Having a firearm tends to make people more level headed and think twice about his or her actions if you've ever had experience with one. These people were happy to beat someone to death. That takes time. I can't see the much shorter process of shooting someone dead involving more level-headedness, more consideration. I just don't get it. I don't see how owning a gun changes how concerned the person is with someone else's safety.
I can understand not knowing much about it though over in your neck of the woods though. True, Tchock and guns tend not to cross paths.
I've had them pointed at me, and that's enough!

Yeah - but I don't think anyone had the intention of beating the man to death. Thats the issue here. They probably just wanted to kick the crap out of him and leave it at that. But suppose a few of those people where armed. The fear of assualt with a deadly weapon would have swayed their opinion to make sure they would have stayed out of anything to do with beating that man. With a firearm, and a license to carry concealed comes a responsibilty. On top of that, if you have your license, you automatically think twice about anything that can jepordize you license to carry and losing it over being ticked at someone for an accident is again, not a smart thing to do.

However, this is a racially motivated deal here it looks like - Mexicans vs. black people. There is major tension between those two races for some reason. Never quite understood it myself.

-S

[Yahoshua]

....with a couple clips

MAGAZINE!! :damn:

[SUBMAN1]

....with a couple clips
MAGAZINE!! :damn:

Clips! :p

[P_Funk]

With a firearm, and a license to carry concealed comes a responsibilty. On top of that, if you have your license, you automatically think twice about anything that can jepordize you license to carry and losing it over being ticked at someone for an accident is again, not a smart thing to do.
And the responsibility to not use your body as a deadly weapon and the fear of losing your freedom for assault and battery or even manslaughter isn't present in anyone's mind?

Seriously, if it takes an inanimate object to make people not act like animals then surely the most civilized people in the world must live in South Central.

[SUBMAN1]

And the responsibility to not use your body as a deadly weapon and the fear of losing your freedom for assault and battery or even manslaughter isn't present in anyone's mind?

Seriously, if it takes an inanimate object to make people not act like animals then surely the most civilized people in the world must live in South Central.
I can't agree with that. Two different types of mentallity you are talking about. This situation - Give some young punks a few drinks and a healthy dose of testosterone, add in a we are free from slavery hostility to the air, add in a dose of racism as in this case, and they beat the hell out of the guy. Problem is, they beat him the hell out of him too much and actually killed him.

Now, since we were not there, suppose you have a Mexican and 20 black people who are all ticked off and hate Mexicans anyway, Mexican flips them some attitude, and what do you have? A dead Mexican. This is what I am betting happened.

And yes, animals live everywhere on this Earth - even in the US of A. Most people think, but when a firearm is present, they think doubly hard.

An example - I can't believe for a second that you didn't get in some fight when you were in your teens. If you didn't, I at least bet someone kicked the crap out of you then. The reason? Young, testosterone, competitiveness, possibly alcohol, maybe drugs. So don't give me this rant that you are all perfect up in Canada. Were you or those people thinking then? Same thing.

The firearm is simply a tool for defense. It also carrys extra responsibility. That is the point.

-S

PS. The way you say it, you don't treat driving a car any different than riding your bike. Scary. Both inanimate objects.

PPS. I hope i never ever lose my respect for firearms or being around firearms. That is extremely dangerous, and when possesing one, I will continue to do a double take on my actions.

[robbo180265]

IBTL? :D

[P_Funk]

PS. The way you say it, you don't treat driving a car any different than riding your bike. Scary. Both inanimate objects.
Have you ever almost been run over by a bike courier? And have you seen the way people drive? The responsibility around the object whatever it may be is an illusion. If the reality of the danger of a gun is more apparent than that of your car or your body that in itself is twisted. People are irresponsible with everything they have.

[Yahoshua]

....with a couple clips
MAGAZINE!! :damn:

Clips! :p

MAGAZINE (repeat ad infinatum).

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/yahoshua/Smilies/Madtypist.gif

[Yahoshua]

PS. The way you say it, you don't treat driving a car any different than riding your bike. Scary. Both inanimate objects.
Have you ever almost been run over by a bike courier? And have you seen the way people drive? The responsibility around the object whatever it may be is an illusion. If the reality of the danger of a gun is more apparent than that of your car or your body that in itself is twisted. People are irresponsible with everything they have.

Be careful driving in San Diego, or Los Angeles, or Chicago, or San Francisco, hell just about anywhere. But the point is more people are killed by vehicle accidents than firearms here in the U.S. But I'll leave this point alone since Taka wants us to direct any firearm related discussions to the gun thread.

[SUBMAN1]

....with a couple clips
MAGAZINE!! :damn:
Clips! :p
MAGAZINE (repeat ad infinatum).

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/yahoshua/Smilies/Madtypist.gif

I know. We have had this before - but I still say clips because actually saying 'magazine' would be boring now wouldn't it?:D

[SUBMAN1]

Have you ever almost been run over by a bike courier? And have you seen the way people drive? The responsibility around the object whatever it may be is an illusion. If the reality of the danger of a gun is more apparent than that of your car or your body that in itself is twisted. People are irresponsible with everything they have.

Yeah, but getting run over by a bike courieir is in no way life threatening. You might get me ticked off though! Hardly a good analogy.

By the way - correction - some people (not most) are irresponsible with everything they have. This is actually part of growing up - the older you get, the more mature you get. Granted, .0009% of people never grown up. The good news - Most do.

Maybe i am not getting what you are driving at (no pun intended)? Since you have not been around firearms, you probably lack the knowledge that it is real, and it can hurt you as much as anybody else, and what comes along with this is what I call a heightened sense of awareness that doesn't come with much else. Maybe you have never experienced this for yourself, but trust me, and inanimate object can have this affect quite easily.

Best way to describe it - Why don't you go down to your local mine and pick up a stick of Nitro and walk carefully to where it needs to be used. To tell me that your senses do not take on enhanced significance is absurd in that situation. Same thing with a firearm - accidently putting a bullet into ones self due to stupidity and lack of care is a very real possibility. Trust me when i say, you never forget it is there.

Are you beginning to understand yet? I hope so, because this isn't rocket science.

-S

[Yahoshua]

....with a couple clips
MAGAZINE!! :damn:
Clips! :p
MAGAZINE (repeat ad infinatum).

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/yahoshua/Smilies/Madtypist.gif

I know. We have had this before - but I still say clips because actually saying 'magazine' would be boring now wouldn't it?:D

(breaks down and cries) its a magazine......

[P_Funk]

Have you ever almost been run over by a bike courier? And have you seen the way people drive? The responsibility around the object whatever it may be is an illusion. If the reality of the danger of a gun is more apparent than that of your car or your body that in itself is twisted. People are irresponsible with everything they have.
Yeah, but getting run over by a bike courieir is in no way life threatening. You might get me ticked off though! Hardly a good analogy. Actually thats your analogy. You mentioned cars compared to bicycles. And I added that there are people that drive both the same on the road and that also drive irresponsibly. It isn't a direct comparison of the consequences but an example of how both are used irresponsibly in a similar manner. People are very often non chalant about their modes of transport. Believe me, I've been in Montreal on the roads. They're crazy.



Maybe i am not getting what you are driving at (no pun intended)? Since you have not been around firearms, you probably lack the knowledge that it is real, and it can hurt you as much as anybody else, and what comes along with this is what I call a heightened sense of awareness that doesn't come with much else. Maybe you have never experienced this for yourself, but trust me, and inanimate object can have this affect quite easily.

Best way to describe it - Why don't you go down to your local mine and pick up a stick of Nitro and walk carefully to where it needs to be used. To tell me that your senses do not take on enhanced significance is absurd in that situation. Same thing with a firearm - accidently putting a bullet into ones self due to stupidity and lack of care is a very real possibility. Trust me when i say, you never forget it is there.

Are you beginning to understand yet? I hope so, because this isn't rocket science.

-S
It doesn't matter that I've not been around firearms very much. You also make your point with only personal anecdotal evidence. Hardly enough for you to be all condecending. Should I just call you Uncle Subman?:p

The sense to not pummel a man to death for no good reason is destroyed by the mob mentality. I don't see any good reason to believe that the same wouldn't happen with a firearm. You are probably right that many firearm owners are as responsible as you insist. However I think you are a bit too emphatic without any real proof. Sound psychological reasoning has more than once escaped many people in situations that become volatile. The sacred idea of the firearm being some holy instrument which empowers a man with a new understanding of responsibility is a bit romantic for me, sorry. At least it is without as much proof as you'd demand from me if I wanted to make an unsubstantiated claim.

[U-533]

Talk about mistaken identity.

How can you miss the driver.

The driver should have been the one dragged from the car and strung up!
RRrrr:damn: man :damn: what :damn: is:damn: wrong:damn: with :damn: people:damn: