View Full Version : Sub construction mania....
GakunGak
06-19-07, 05:43 AM
What's up with the world? I see everyday more and more subs are ordered under construction..... Including Venezuela.... In less than 2 years, we will have so many subs operating worldwide that they will collide with each other and no one will know where to hide... This is getting me upset... Shouldn't be more better to cut the production in half and transfer the money where it is needed the most? Like medicine? Are we preparing for another world war? I think an arms race is going on....God help us....
What's up with the world? I see everyday more and more subs are ordered under construction..... Including Venezuela.... In less than 2 years, we will have so many subs operating worldwide that they will collide with each other and no one will know where to hide... This is getting me upset... Shouldn't be more better to cut the production in half and transfer the money where it is needed the most? Like medicine? Are we preparing for another world war? I think an arms race is going on....God help us....
well if we're gonna have a new world war
let someone new start it
germany stop trying to conquer the world:rotfl: and let someone new start a world war:rotfl:
(joke post)
GakunGak
06-19-07, 06:17 AM
What's up with the world? I see everyday more and more subs are ordered under construction..... Including Venezuela.... In less than 2 years, we will have so many subs operating worldwide that they will collide with each other and no one will know where to hide... This is getting me upset... Shouldn't be more better to cut the production in half and transfer the money where it is needed the most? Like medicine? Are we preparing for another world war? I think an arms race is going on....God help us....
well if we're gonna have a new world war
let someone new start it
germany stop trying to conquer the world:rotfl: and let someone new start a world war:rotfl:
(joke post)
Imagine a new "battle for the Atlantic" with brand new 212 A and russian Lada...Man, that would be good for "Das Boot 2".
What's up with the world? I see everyday more and more subs are ordered under construction..... Including Venezuela.... In less than 2 years, we will have so many subs operating worldwide that they will collide with each other and no one will know where to hide... This is getting me upset... Shouldn't be more better to cut the production in half and transfer the money where it is needed the most? Like medicine? Are we preparing for another world war? I think an arms race is going on....God help us....
well if we're gonna have a new world war
let someone new start it
germany stop trying to conquer the world:rotfl: and let someone new start a world war:rotfl:
(joke post)
Imagine a new "battle for the Atlantic" with brand new 212 A and russian Lada...Man, that would be good for "Das Boot 2".
and with the new super tankers
"ship spotted"
"mmm that looks like a 250000 ton":rotfl:
"rocket...los!" (german/english mix..sounds kinda stupid):rotfl: :rotfl:
What's up with the world? I see everyday more and more subs are ordered under construction..... Including Venezuela.... In less than 2 years, we will have so many subs operating worldwide that they will collide with each other and no one will know where to hide... This is getting me upset... Shouldn't be more better to cut the production in half and transfer the money where it is needed the most? Like medicine? Are we preparing for another world war? I think an arms race is going on....God help us....
I would imagine actually that there are far less submarines in the worlds oceans today then say.. 25 years ago.
Whats happening is that the Submarine is now suprisingly afordable, and avaliable on the open market. Given how flexable the platform is, its unique ability to level the playing field somewhat in naval warfare, and the emergence of multiplue regional conflicts... its not suprising that the number of countries owning one is on the increase.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/04/01/warms01big.gif
From the UK Sunday Telegraph (April 1st 2007 (Ignore the significance of that date))
Showing the Submarine arms race developing in the Asia Pacific region
Happy Times
06-19-07, 07:41 AM
+ South Korea 9 and Russia 15
GakunGak
06-19-07, 10:12 AM
What's up with the world? I see everyday more and more subs are ordered under construction..... Including Venezuela.... In less than 2 years, we will have so many subs operating worldwide that they will collide with each other and no one will know where to hide... This is getting me upset... Shouldn't be more better to cut the production in half and transfer the money where it is needed the most? Like medicine? Are we preparing for another world war? I think an arms race is going on....God help us.... well if we're gonna have a new world war
let someone new start it
germany stop trying to conquer the world:rotfl: and let someone new start a world war:rotfl:
(joke post) Imagine a new "battle for the Atlantic" with brand new 212 A and russian Lada...Man, that would be good for "Das Boot 2". and with the new super tankers
"ship spotted"
"mmm that looks like a 250000 ton":rotfl:
"rocket...los!" (german/english mix..sounds kinda stupid):rotfl: :rotfl: This is gonna be good... :-)Jokes aside,Do we really have to have this ammount of subs operating?Anyhow, real US figure will be here:http://www.navsource.org/archives/subidx.htmWhile everyone has subs these days, only S&M have 4 busted diesels... Man, we should modernise a litle bit... :-(
Hey DAB, what is the speed of 125 knots IN YOUR PICTURE? :-0
EDIT: I just found out it was 12.5 KTS, not 125, sorry...
But, isn't that a litle slow for a KILO?
I wonder...
AntEater
06-19-07, 10:23 AM
Third world navies are no longer third world navies today.
A few years ago, much of the world's forces consisted of discarded US WW2 ships and subs.
Nowadays, even minor countries start buying AEGIS style surface vessels and modern submarines. Call it maritime globalization :)
Those asian nations have had enormous economic growth and in classic mahanistic theory they realized to maintain that ecomonic power, they have to have control of the sea lanes.
Until a few years ago, basically all submarine forces except for NATO and Warsaw pact were status symbols. I've heard a lot of horror stories from german submariners on how Indonesians or whoever handled (or better not handled) german build subs.
Nowadays, all those former 1-2 sub forces expand their fleets into a really capable threat, with the training and professionalism to go along with it.
Dab that is the most interesting thing that has appeared in the ST in over a year!
Apparently most nations believe that Silent hunter 4 is a rather bug-free game and think it'd be fun to have there own sub fleet so they can play the game "irl" :p
GakunGak
06-20-07, 06:59 AM
Apparently most nations believe that Silent hunter 4 is a rather bug-free game and think it'd be fun to have there own sub fleet so they can play the game "irl" :p
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geetrue
06-20-07, 01:28 PM
It took two weeks to cross the Atlantic Ocean in a submarine back in 1968. Not only did we not hit anything we didn't even hear anything for the entire trip.
I was on my first FBM patrol on the USS Ethan Allen SSBN 608 (Blue), believe me it is one big ocean.
Generate an AI of how many submarines are now in comission, insert them in a world class map, like SH4, and see if they run into each other.
May happen in the waters off of Iran though ... accidents do happen when the sensors or the sonarman or the OOD don't do their job properly. :o
Penelope_Grey
06-20-07, 04:11 PM
well if we're gonna have a new world war
let someone new start it
germany stop trying to conquer the world:rotfl: and let someone new start a world war:rotfl:
(joke post)
Be careul what you say - Many a True Word Hath Been Spoke in Jest.
waste gate
06-20-07, 04:28 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/04/01/warms01big.gif
From the UK Sunday Telegraph (April 1st 2007 (Ignore the significance of that date))
Showing the Submarine arms race developing in the Asia Pacific region
That is one fast submarine.
geetrue
06-20-07, 04:39 PM
The only problem with going 125 kts is that you can be at periscope depth in less than (3) seconds
and test depth in less than (10) seconds ... :yep:
GakunGak
06-20-07, 04:40 PM
It's in fact 12.5 kts, I missed it too...:yep:
Kapitan
06-20-07, 04:42 PM
I dont think anyone including america could match the number the soviet union had at the hieght.
In the hight of cold war russia had 553 submarines and over 250 were nuclear powered the most america has had is 150 (these are active service submarines)
waste gate
06-20-07, 04:42 PM
Maybe its 1.25. Any guess is as good as any other.
That is where the April 1 comes into play?
Takeda Shingen
06-20-07, 05:04 PM
Kilos can do better than 12.5 knots. Still, they can't do 125 knots. The truth must lie in between.
Of course, what if they could do 125 knots, and dive to 10,000 ft, and shoot torpedoes from the other side of the Pacific? That'd be pretty rad. In fact, that's what I'm going with. Someone contact Janes.
AntEater
06-20-07, 05:15 PM
25 knots?
Sounds too fast to me, but maybe they can make short sprints with 25 knots.
GakunGak
06-20-07, 05:24 PM
25 knots?
Sounds too fast to me, but maybe they can make short sprints with 25 knots.
Good point...:hmm:
That's a really cool figure but I think it's a little misleading. It makes no distinction about quality or capability of subs beyond nuclear/non-nuclear; this is probably not so important because I think most nations that have been operating noisy unsafe tubs (China is coming to mind) have been learning a lot. Still, the numbers only tell part of the story.
Re: the Kilo - I think 12.5 is what they meant to put. Most of the websites out there peg the Kilo's surface speed at somewhere around that figure. They do go faster underwater.
Where are the U.S.'s planned subs?
geetrue
06-20-07, 07:51 PM
That's a really cool figure but I think it's a little misleading. It makes no distinction about quality or capability of subs beyond nuclear/non-nuclear; this is probably not so important because I think most nations that have been operating noisy unsafe tubs (China is coming to mind) have been learning a lot. Still, the numbers only tell part of the story.
Re: the Kilo - I think 12.5 is what they meant to put. Most of the websites out there peg the Kilo's surface speed at somewhere around that figure. They do go faster underwater.
Where are the U.S.'s planned subs?
US submarines spell quality to me ... of course I am a little prejudice, but I think our country has a higher standard of living to account for that fact.
They just authorized and bumped the ship building capability of US nuclear submarines up to two a year. That comes to around 4.5 billion dollars for two of them. The only problem is that they are putting them out of service faster than they are in service.
That article DAB has sure would make a nice start for a sub sim even if it doesn't represent a war, yet.
baggygreen
06-21-07, 02:15 AM
Bugger the US's planned subs, where are the australian planned subs?? oh wait, thats right, we needa actually get some crews to man the subs we have first.
Similar vein to the thread on our new air warfare destroyers, right now it might not seem like we have much of an enemy to face off against. give it 10, maybe 20 years, we'll have 2 - indonesia and china. thank christ these 2 will never see eye to eye against the west... they both hate and loathe us but their history and way of thinking means that they hate each other just as much.
So, sure, right now the Indonesians, NK and Chinese are having to bail water out of boats when they wanna surface, but given a little time and a lot of kilos (thanks ivan :)) they will become quite formidable forces. we're in trouble.
geetrue
06-21-07, 11:10 AM
What Australia needs is some nuclear weapon capabilty ... WWII is over.
Submarines are nice, but if the enemy uses them against you, just nuke em. :know:
GakunGak
06-21-07, 12:38 PM
What Australia needs is some nuclear weapon capabilty ... WWII is over.
Submarines are nice, but if the enemy uses them against you, just nuke em. :know:
Till they glow...:lol:
well if we're gonna have a new world war
let someone new start it
germany stop trying to conquer the world:rotfl: and let someone new start a world war:rotfl:
(joke post)
Be careul what you say - Many a True Word Hath Been Spoke in Jest.
and whats that s'posed to mean ?:doh:
geetrue
06-21-07, 01:30 PM
Be careul what you say - Many a True Word Hath Been Spoke in Jest.
Not sure what she means either, but I had a friend that use to get drunk and tell everyone off. You know like come up to you in a bar during happy hour and point at you and say, "I never liked you".
He made a mistake one day and did it to his boss. :lol:
Maybe that's what she means ???
Heibges
06-21-07, 01:43 PM
President Bush and Maggie Thatcher must be sad at the loss of their "Peace Dividend."
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