SH4 won't run with Process Explorer installed

[Rockin Robbins]

Caution, anyone considering buying Silent Hunter 4, Wolves of the Pacific. The SecuROM protection system does not respect your right to legitimately and legally operate your computer as you see fit. When I started SH4 for the first time a pop-up window appeared saying "A required security module cannot be activated. This program cannot be executed (5024)." A link is supplied in the pop-up window. Clicking that link leads one to the SecuROM website where it says "SecuROM has determined that a Process Explorer program is running in the background. Please close this program and reboot your maching before you start the application."

Now Process Explorer is a legitimate piece of software, published by Microsoft Inc. as a replacement and augmentation of the task switcher. It in no way is intended to be used for piracy any more than your automobile is intended for the smuggling of drugs. If there were anything nefarious about Process Explorer, Microsoft would be the first company to take exception to it. Instead, they SUPPLY it. If you study the packaging and manuals to Wolves of the Pacific the only mention of possible problems of this nature is a nicely highlighted yellow box saying "This game contains technology intended to prevent copying that may conflict with some disc and virtual drives." There is no mention of Process Explorer conflict. Needless to say, Process Explorer has no application in disk copying.

This makes me wonder what other harmless and legitimate software might UBI and SecuROM object to on my machine? I obey the law and seek to support companies that serve me well. I have decided that interfering with the legitimate use of my computer is not serving me well. I will never again purchase a UBI product until it is crystal clear that their copy protection systems respect my rights to lawfully govern the use of my computer. I will not ask UBI, the burden is on them to convince me that they have had a change in heart. I strongly advise that anyone considering the purchase of any UBI product reconsider. A company which does not respect the rights of its customers, and in fact treats them with the presumption that they are criminals does not deserve to remain in business. Don't worry, another company with a proper attitude toward its customers will step forward to take their place.

[THE_MASK]

One software conflicts with another one . Thats computers for you !!!!!!!

[Reaves]

One software conflicts with another one . Thats computers for you !!!!!!!

Get a mac!!!


omg did I just say that? :nope:

[Lunex]

Whats really annoying me is that users of a cracked version den got this ****
with really aggressive copyprotection -_-

Same for music. If you buy music your get DRM files, that tell you what you
may or may not do with your bought music.

Just download the track illegal and you get mp3s and can do what you want.

Why is always the paying customer the fool ?
Shoudnt he be better on then the "pirate" ?

so far,

Lunex
(using process explorer too)

[Reaves]

Personally i've only had a problem once with starforce when I was using my motherboards IDE drivers instead of default windows ones but I understand the music comment. I buy music on ITunes but if I format my PC 5 times I don't have the songs anymore.

Can you say jibbed?

[Seeadler]

SecuROM is from Sony, Sony and Microsoft are no real friends:rotfl:

I had a same SecuROM problem also with a installed professional DVD authoring and development software for E-learning products. Since I must use these software apps and the PC here vocationally at home till end of year, therefore I have removed SHIV from my system.

[Capt. Shark Bait]

One software conflicts with another one . Thats computers for you !!!!!!!

Get a mac!!!


omg did I just say that? :nope:

ok, time to start an Article 32 hearing on your fitness to command? a mac?:/\\chop

[Argus00]

Yeah, the SecuRom protection gives me headaches about once a week, too. After a CTD (I'm starting to suspect that my occasional CTDs are also related to the copy protection), when I try to relaunch the game I get an ERROR 1000: PLEASE INSERT THE ORIGINAL DISC, NOT A BACKUP (!?!?!). Have to wait a few minutes for the sh4.exe to clear from memory, and THEN I can relaunch the game.

Don't have any background software running when I play.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Welcome:up: Lunex

RDP

[SteamWake]

Have you tried contacting Securom ?

From the wiki

Process Explorer is a system monitoring and examination utility, similar to a souped-up version of Task Manager, and often can be used as the first step in debugging software or system problems when in the hands of an experienced software engineer.Process Explorer is a system monitoring and examination utility, similar to a souped-up version of Task Manager, and often can be used as the first step in debugging software or system problems when in the hands of an experienced software engineer.

I can see where it might conflict with copy protection schemes.

[unruhly]

From an experienced PC Tech here.
Process Explorer would not interefere with copy protection, but would allow the user of it to effectively disable the background tasks associated with the copy protection kernel. My guess is that Securerom checks for the presence of ANY program that could allow the bypass of their copy protection scheme. If it finds one, it says "Nope, I'm not gonna let you play today!" :down:


Have you tried contacting Securom ?

From the wiki

Process Explorer is a system monitoring and examination utility, similar to a souped-up version of Task Manager, and often can be used as the first step in debugging software or system problems when in the hands of an experienced software engineer.Process Explorer is a system monitoring and examination utility, similar to a souped-up version of Task Manager, and often can be used as the first step in debugging software or system problems when in the hands of an experienced software engineer.

I can see where it might conflict with copy protection schemes.

[Rockin Robbins]

#unruhly--an intriguing response, but task manager allows you to do the same thing, and it is a built-in part of Windows! What's next: "Microsoft Windows has been detected on your machine. Uninstall and reboot to play Silent Hunter 5"?

Actually, that's not a bad idea. A bootable DVD with its own operating system would be the next logical development. They could then bypass all hardware and software on your machine. The DVD could even be encrypted to be unreadable except with the onboard operating system. Unreadable is practically uncopyable. Imagine all the incompatibility issues with that one. Don't know if WE would like it but the game companies would be in paradise. They just wouldn't sell any games, I would hope.

Eliminating all software or hardware that could ever possibly be used to copy a DVD is as ridiculous as eliminating automobiles because they can be used to smuggle drugs, or houses because they sometimes harbor (harbour for some of you:up:) criminals. It suffers from the logical error of "maka no sensa" and would logically or illogically end up eliminating the use of the computer itself. People, not possessions, commit crimes.

Treating customers as criminals is no way to develop allies and advocates. :rotfl:

Afterthought: it would be child's play to just have the program check periodically for the presence of the protection code. If it were eliminated the game would stop running.

[MarkShot]

Well, thanks for the heads up.

I haven't tried loading the game, since a long time ... playing SH3/GWX and have since added Process Explorer to my system tray. A very powerful tool. Well, it's not too hard to disable it to load at startup if I want to play SH4 which will probably be in about two years from now.

A minor and ridiculous irritation, but not nearly as bad as the Starforce bundling with SH3. I suppose ultimately there will be a safe way to run SH4 too.

Thanks again for the heads up.

[MarkShot]

Actually, it is not with PE installed, just PE loaded. So, you just need to reboot without it set to run to play. Compared to the gyrations that it took with custom boots to play games under DOS, this is a breeze.

[joea]

Again I don't see where you get off saying this is worse than Starforce?? You really had to have been here during the whole Starforce flame wars. :shifty: