GWX please consider this

[Jmack]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=537373&posted=1#post537373

[ReallyDedPoet]

That't a long was from the GWX Theatre, doesn't hurt to ask though.

RDP

[Jmack]

well ... they manage to take us pretty far with the monsoon boats

[Ducimus]

As far as i know, Berry has something going on up there with his RFB mod. While i dont intend to get on it right away, i will eventually work on it as well. I just prioritize some things ahead of it is all.

[Pablo]

well ... they manage to take us pretty far with the monsoon boats Hi!

AFAIK the U-boats did not patrol the Aleutians, and the S-boats had been withdrawn from front-line service by the time U-boats showed up in Indonesia, so I suspect we probably won't add Aleutian S-boats to GWX any time soon.

An SH4 mod is probably your best bet for that.

Pablo

[Jmack]

hum ... i just though that at the moment sh3 is allot more stable than sh4 for something like this and i have read some posts about SH4 features working in sh3 so
it could be easyer to get the ALEUTIANS campaing with the s-boats and all ...

well just an idea ... im gessing no one will get in to really big mods before last patch is released

but hey !!! i dont know anything about modding ... so dont mind me too much:88)

[Jmack]

well ... they manage to take us pretty far with the monsoon boats Hi!

AFAIK the U-boats did not patrol the Aleutians, and the S-boats had been withdrawn from front-line service by the time U-boats showed up in Indonesia, so I suspect we probably won't add Aleutian S-boats to GWX any time soon.

An SH4 mod is probably your best bet for that.

Pablo


i was talking " they " as the GWX DEV TEAM ... not the u-boats , im aware of the time line

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Sorry JMack,

I understand everyone has different gameplay styles and tastes... however as far as the GWX mod itself is concerned, we have no plans to place U-boat campaign options where they did not geographically exist in real life.

[Jmack]

no no no ... not the U-BOATS !!!

After Pearl Harbor (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ss-s.htm#) – and in accordance with the Rainbow Five war plan – COMSUBPAC RADM Thomas Withers sent two older submarines, S-18 (SS-123) and S-23 (SS-128) to Alaska from the U.S. West Coast, and they arrived at Dutch Harbor on 27 January 1942. Within two weeks, they had departed on their first war patrols, defensive sweeps south of the Aleutian chain and easterly toward Kodiak Island. Although no contact was made with the enemy, the two S-boats were the first to experience the full rigor of the weather and ocean conditions that characterized Alaskan submarine operations for two miserable years.
After their relatively brief patrols, S-18 and S-23 returned to San Diego (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ss-s.htm#) for an overhaul that included superstructure modifications and additional internal heating in accordance with the “lessons-learned” from their first Alaskan experience. Simultaneously, a division of six additional S-boats – originally intended for Brisbane, Australia – was redirected to Dutch Harbor. These submarines – S-30 through S-35 (SS-135 through 140) – arrived in the theater between April and August 1942, to be augmented by S-27 (SS-132) and S-28 (SS-133), which headed north from San Diego in late May. Thus, when S-18 and S-23 completed their overhauls and returned to the theater at that same time, a total of ten S-boats had been assigned to Alaskan waters. In April, on the first Dutch Harbor war patrols into Japanese territory, both S-34 and S-35 penetrated as far as Paramushiro, but despite several attacks on merchant ships, they scored no successes.
In a total of 14 war patrols from Dutch Harbor targeted on Japanese shipping in the western Aleutians between July and September, no enemy sinkings were credited. Moreover, S-27 was lost to grounding on a reconnaissance mission to Amchitka Island, when an undetected current carried her onto the rocks while she was charging batteries on the surface during the night of 19 June. S-27’s Commanding Officer, Herbert Jukes, managed to get his entire crew ashore in rubber boats, and after being stranded for six days, they were discovered by a PBY and brought back to Dutch Harbor.
Built to a World War I design based on early submarine technology, the S-boats assigned to the Aleutians were 20 years old, largely worn out, and clearly regarded as “second-line” submarines. Powered by only two 600-horsepower diesel engines, they could make only 12-14 knots on the surface – perhaps 10 submerged on battery – and with a test depth of 200 feet, there was little margin for error. Moreover, their surface displacement of somewhat less than 1,000 tons and their low freeboard made operating in the stormy, northern waters of the Aleutians and the Bering Sea a grueling, daily challenge. Despite the electric heaters that had been installed for the northern climate, life below decks was dispiriting, cold, and wet, not only from seawater sloshing down through the conning tower, but also from the condensation of atmospheric moisture on all the metal surfaces inside.
Engine breakdowns, battery trouble, and electrical “shorts” were continuing problems, exacerbated by the age and condition of the machinery. S-35 was nearly lost in December 1942 to a chain of events that began when she took several massive waves over the bridge during a storm near Amchitka, sending tons of water into the control room and injuring her captain, LT Henry Monroe, who was forced to go below. Shortly thereafter, electrical fires broke out in both the control room and forward battery and began to spread, filling the boat with acrid smoke and forcing the engines to be shut down and the control room sealed off. The crew fought back with every trick they could think of, including bucket brigades to lower the water level, eventually restarting the engines under local control, and the boat retreated toward Dutch Harbor, fighting recurrent fires so serious that twice the crew was driven up to the bridge. After three days, they reached Adak, where assistance was available, and finally, on 29 December, under escort, S-35 made it back to Dutch Harbor and eventually to the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard, where she was completely overhauled – only to return to the Aleutians again six months later.
In preparation for the retaking of Attu and Kiska, seven more S-boats (S-40, S-41, S-42, S-44, S-45, S-46, S-47) had been ordered north in the spring of 1943 and trickled into Dutch Harbor between May and December. Until August, the Dutch Harbor boats concentrated on the supply lines between Japan and the western Aleutians, but after the re-conquest of Attu and Kiska, the emphasis shifted to more general hunting expeditions in the northern Kuriles. Again, little was achieved. The 24 war patrols mounted from Dutch Harbor between May 1943 and the end of the year – generally about a month long but as much as 40 days – produced only four enemy victims totaling some 13,000 tons, all Japanese merchant ships sunk near Paramushiro. S-28, S-30, S-35, and S-41 (SS-146) were the lucky boats, but S-44 (SS-155), caught on the surface by a Japanese destroyer on 7 October during her first Alaskan patrol, was lost with all hands save two crewmembers, who survived to became prisoners of war for the duration.
At the end of 1943 with the end of a credible Japanese threat to the Aleutians, COMSUBPAC RADM Charles Lockwood finally acknowledged the futility of sending the Dutch Harbor submarines into harm’s way for so little return, and he ordered the remaining S-boats withdrawn from Alaska (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ss-s.htm#).

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Coo story there, but I guess I just don't understand how this relates to the U-boat war as simulated in SH3 with GWX, JMack.

[Jmack]

:cry: no one understands me :cry:

recently i got SH4 :nope:... so i starded reading some articles and stuff about those old boats the S-boats that where send for the aleutians and the solomons .

so i thought:hmm: it would be nice to have a mod that let us start a career in the Dutch Harbor in the aleutians with all that comes with it ... bad wheather ... etc etc so i posted it in the sh4 mod forum.

Then i thought :hmm:... well no one is going to try this with the present situation in SH4 ( waiting for patch )

so i went reading the last developments on putting Sh4 stuff in Sh3 ... it seems nice progress is being made , so i dont know very much about modding and all that stuff that comes with it but i thought:hmm: ( damn im thinking too much ) that some day in a future GWX there could be a campaign for the S-boats from the Aleutians . this of course believing that Sh3 is a far more stable platform for this right now and considering that an s-boat model could be imported to sh3 from sh4 ... of course i dont even take in mind the crews the torpedos and all the rest ... :88)


:88) OK IT WAS A BAD ONE :88)

sorry for waisting people time i go hide in shame now !:lost:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

No worries mate. You never know until you ask... and just because the GWX focus is on modding the U-boat war, doesn't mean that someone else cannot try to help you out.

Best of luck to you.:up: