Please Sticky This Important!

[CaptainCox]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=114540
For you guys that might not always visit the SH3 modding section. I think this should be a sticky here as well, as there are some pretty important stuff being discussed here.

[CaptainCox]

BUMP! @mods :roll:

[MaxT.dk]

I might be incorrect, but I don't see a problem that the posted thread talks about here in SH4 MOD forum... It might be me being blind, but I simply didn't see any problems yet...

[CaptainCox]

I just would like more ppl to join this discussion, and not all ppl check the SH3 forum. This discussion is important for the "total" SH modding scene and I think the more ppl that adds ideas to this the better.

[Ducimus]

I know i participated in that thread, but i just have to say....

Too much politics over there. Im hoping we keep it simple here. Over there in the SH3 modding, theres a long running history of copious amounts of drama that's more related to interpersonal issues then modding itself. This is one reason i enjoy modding SH4 so much. Its a fresh start with no hidden drama or background agenda's to deal with.

[MaxT.dk]

Roger that, over

[CaptainCox]

Thing is, i am sure that this discussion will have "implications/solutions" what ever you want to call that for ALL SH modding related matters. So if there is important...developments I just think ppl in the SH4 section should be aware of it...that's all.

[danlisa]

I know i participated in that thread, but i just have to say....

Too much politics over there. Im hoping we keep it simple here. Over there in the SH3 modding, theres a long running history of copious amounts of drama that's more related to interpersonal issues then modding itself. This is one reason i enjoy modding SH4 so much. Its a fresh start with no hidden drama or background agenda's to deal with.

Yes, you maybe right but SH3 started the way SH4 has. I'm affraid that eventually SH4 may end up the same way.

It will be inevitable especially as history tends to repeat itself.

[Ducimus]

I know i participated in that thread, but i just have to say....

Too much politics over there. Im hoping we keep it simple here. Over there in the SH3 modding, theres a long running history of copious amounts of drama that's more related to interpersonal issues then modding itself. This is one reason i enjoy modding SH4 so much. Its a fresh start with no hidden drama or background agenda's to deal with.

Yes, you maybe right but SH3 started the way SH4 has. I'm affraid that eventually SH4 may end up the same way.

It will be inevitable especially as history tends to repeat itself.

The entire situation over there is a result of the mod wars between two rival factions. We dont have that here, and hopefully never will. Sh3 modding to me is forever tainted by it, and frankly i see the current "ethics" thread over there as just another play for more power and clout. Not a conicidence its been instigated by a social clich that is tantamount to a special interest group. Too much politics.

I came here to make the game better, not haggle over personal glory.

My 2 cents. Instant this place gets drama remincent of the Sh3 modding past, im outta here.

[danlisa]

I hope you're right but do you not see an eventuality where there will be modding teams each aiming to produce the best package?

I really think it's a sure thing, it's the natural evolution, from many individual mods to a couple of 'supermods'.

Nothing more than that really and some of the nasties may or may not come with it.

[Ducimus]

Well, right now theres me and Berry. Ive been doing my best to stay out of his end of the swimming pool and not make any snide comments Hell, i even offered to help him with something. He turned me down, but i did try to extend the offer as to keep the ice from forimg. He has his aims, i have mine, and ive been doing my best to respect that. Hopefuly he does the same, and as so far (I think) he has. I honestlly dont think anyone wants to see a factionalization based on mod pack.

At any rate, im just going to keep hoping the air in this forum remains clear with free creativity without all the little stuff like. Worries of plagurims or, withholding information from the community on how to better the game so your mod pack looks that much better and/or so the other guy doesnt use it first to do the same. Withholding mods or how to create said mods from the community never sat well with me.

By and large, REAL ethical issues are minority incidents on subsim. Since ive been posting on Subsim, I can recall only a grand total of THREE, at best. I really think the best way to handle ethics is simply to not plagurize, and look at possible plagurisaztion on a case by case basis. Its not like its a common occurerence here.

[MaxT.dk]

.oO( someone should close or del this thread before ppl go nuts... )

[Ducimus]

Im surpised it hasnt already. After what i just said, i expect a 400 pound gorlilla to jump on my back at any moment.

[U-Bones]

Nothing on this end of the pool a good patch wouldn't fix ;)

[CaptainCox]

Oh well... I guess it has served its purpose. Anyhow for anyone interested the discussion will go on in the SH3 Mods Workshop Forum.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Oh well... I guess it has served its purpose. Anyhow for anyone interested the discussion will go on in the SH3 Mods Workshop Forum.

Shouldn't you be modding or something:yep: Back to work:x

By the way, just got the Smaller Plant Mod, stuff like that make a difference in the game, they all add up.

RDP

[SgtWalt65]

I know i participated in that thread, but i just have to say....

Too much politics over there. Im hoping we keep it simple here. Over there in the SH3 modding, theres a long running history of copious amounts of drama that's more related to interpersonal issues then modding itself. This is one reason i enjoy modding SH4 so much. Its a fresh start with no hidden drama or background agenda's to deal with.

Politics has no place in this game or in these forums. Just take a look at what happened to that thread about Nvdrifter leaving when he made some ugly remarks about Americans. That should be a warning to all about bringing politics especially personal attack type opionaited ones into these forums. :stare:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I know i participated in that thread, but i just have to say....

Too much politics over there. Im hoping we keep it simple here. Over there in the SH3 modding, theres a long running history of copious amounts of drama that's more related to interpersonal issues then modding itself. This is one reason i enjoy modding SH4 so much. Its a fresh start with no hidden drama or background agenda's to deal with.

Yes, you maybe right but SH3 started the way SH4 has. I'm affraid that eventually SH4 may end up the same way.

It will be inevitable especially as history tends to repeat itself.

The entire situation over there is a result of the mod wars between two rival factions. We dont have that here, and hopefully never will. Sh3 modding to me is forever tainted by it, and frankly i see the current "ethics" thread over there as just another play for more power and clout. Not a conicidence its been instigated by a social clich that is tantamount to a special interest group. Too much politics.

I came here to make the game better, not haggle over personal glory.

My 2 cents. Instant this place gets drama remincent of the Sh3 modding past, im outta here.

Utter hypocrisy and self-righteousness, Ducimus. Your arrogance and enormous juvenile ego never cease to amaze me. You stir the pot over and over while stuffing popcorn in your face and enjoy fanning the flames any chance you get... (you've stated as much yourself) You were eyeball deep in the politics of SH3 modding... just as you are now... for your personal glory.

Politics? Cloak and dagger? You have already gone there and you are eyeball deep in it. Should we hold the hatch open for you? Or are you quick enough to keep it from hitting your butt.

Don't make me embarrass you.

As far as you "quitting" whenever things get dicey... nothing new there, little boy. You'd be back in a few days just like the other times things weren't going your way and you "quit." So GROW UP.

Now, no matter what your reductionist and self serving spin on things may be this week... that discussion over there in "SH3 land" is meant for every modding workshop here at SS in the hopes of preventing some pretty basic problems... not for preventing competition or to "stifle" modding. I think it will have quite the opposite effect AWAY from discouraging new modding... and it is NOT a congressional feud... as much as you may like to make it out to be so.

It is a good thing, not the negative thing you'd like it to be, with every effort to remove "agenda" from the equation in that thread, It is meant to create a better environment moving forward, for all modders including you.

Seriously, people complain and complain and do nothing to try and solve real problems. Wake up, smell the coffee, and get off your high horse. You put your pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us here.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I just would like more ppl to join this discussion, and not all ppl check the SH3 forum. This discussion is important for the "total" SH modding scene and I think the more ppl that adds ideas to this the better.

Thank you, CaptainCox... for being able to see past all the crap.

[MaxT.dk]

as I've said before (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=537109&postcount=12)...

.oO( someone should close or del this thread before ppl go nuts... )

Seems like people went nuts already... Kindergarden... :(

[Dowly]

Ducimus, you seem to like to talk about the power struggle that is going on in the SHIII mods forum. Now, could you tell me for what power they are fighting for? :roll:

And what comes to the "mod wars". It is natural and healthy to have competition, it drives the two (or pick a number you want) teams to work harder and invent new things to beat the other team(s). I doubt the SHIII's supermods would be this far if there wouldnt have been any competition.

[danlisa]

Why aren't responses showing up here?:hmm:

EDIT - Nevermind.:doh:

[Dowly]

Why aren't responses showing up here?:hmm:

Seems to work now. Just needed someone to give a push. ;)

[U-Bones]

This crap just makes me angry.

[Uber Gruber]

Here we go again....sigh.....oh well, I suppose it was inebitable....err...inedible....mmmm...ineditable. ...bound to happen.

Its a real shame really cos if you guys actually settled your differences and got together then we'd have some great super mods.

Anyway, like ex-lovers, it probably wont happen. But do we all have to witness the spleen venting....yes....why....cos its entertaining:up:

[MaxT.dk]

Sorry to say, but...

People should just shut the f*ck up and stop posting in this thread.
Stop bumping it and let it be...
Less attention = less problems...

Just forget it, for christ's sake!

[Uber Gruber]

I agree with Max T.dk.....stop posting in this thread!

[Uber Gruber]

Seriously! :lol:

[Gizzmoe]

I´ve added a read-only sticky. Thread closed.