using "Borrowed Mods"

[Webster]

I INTEND NO DISCUSSION OF WHO STOLE WHAT FROM WHOM WITH THIS POST

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE MY OPINION ON THE SUBJECT AND LEAVE IT AT THAT

if someone "borrows" a mod made by someone else to be included in their mod then it would always be the polite thing to do to give them proper credit for it.

they are not "obligated" to give credit unless that mod clearly stated it was being shared freely in the understanding that, if any part or all of the mod is used in the making of another mod, permission should be requested and proper credit should given. some mods do this and it makes it clear what to do if you want to use it.

we can't get into the minutia of the mods creation because we cannot deny that with so many mods out there, many people duplicate anothers work by accident without ever intending to do so.

sharing of ideas alone is enough to cause a mod to seam as though it was used when in fact using the same idea brought about simular file changes by no real intent to copy anothers work, only the same idea for the result that they wanted.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A GREY AREA:

if you start off with Joe's mod for a flying fish that only works in stock 1.4b game and update it to work with gwx then add wings to it and photoshop enhance it then give it bow and stern wakes along with guns is it really joe's mod anymore? after all it no longer resembles the original and you did enough work to say its yours.

THE ANSWER:

it's ok to rename the mod and claim it as yours as long as you give joe credit for his mod you used and explain the changes you made to make it your own. (IMHO)

[shadow701]

If you look around at some of the other gaming forums, you'll see most of the creators include a terms of use document with their mods. They also have rules and guidelines about posting mods and giving credit where credit is due, and reserve the right to delete anything in violation of those rules and regs. It's just plain common courtesy to give credit to the original creator(s). Nothing will stop those with a 10 year old's mentality from claiming credit for other people's hard work, but there's nothing to stop us from supporting the work of such thieves.
Common sense, common courtesy, and a little bit of respect goes a long way, unfortunately these days they seem to be in short supply. :roll:

[Umfuld]

Whole thing has put me off. I want to learn how to mod. Mainly so I can give back to this community from which I've taken so much.

That's the spirit of this place. To me anyway.

Telling someone they can't use your mod is not. If you want to market your skills for monetary gain, do that.
Where there is money involved you'll find no shortage of rules and laws to protect your interests.

Keep this place open, and free.

[vanjast]

I learn't how to make the changes by reading/examining through other mods, then applying my adaptations. What I've done is 'free for all', like many others before me.

If there is any question about ownership then it surely must belong to the developers and UBI, for we have to follow their file formats.

:up:

[Dowly]

Tbh, I cant see the fuzz over this... If you want to use a mod as a basis for your to learn modding, do it. If you come up with a mod you'd want to release, the least you can do is credit the original modder. And if the original mod is heavily changed, you can give the original modder credit for the idea. It wont hurt nobody.

There has to be guidelines or if not guidelines, then the right to use common sense. Or do you want to see 5 GWXs, NYGMs & WACs being released with the only difference to the original being a new loadscreen or one different sound file?

[Webster]

Tbh, I cant see the fuzz over this... If you want to use a mod as a basis for your to learn modding, do it. If you come up with a mod you'd want to release, the least you can do is credit the original modder. And if the original mod is heavily changed, you can give the original modder credit for the idea. It wont hurt nobody.

There has to be guidelines or if not guidelines, then the right to use common sense. Or do you want to see 5 GWXs, NYGMs & WACs being released with the only difference to the original being a new loadscreen or one different sound file?



there appears to be issues (from what i have been reading in posts) between some of the gwx team members and some unmentioned modders. i suspect it stems from a poor choice of words which caused bad feelings between them.

i have seen a few posts from gwx team members which were a little harsh when refering to a new modder wanting to undo some of the realism added by gwx. granted this was a post or two here and there, not the norm but it goes to the point of my post that rereading a post before posting it can prevent misunderstandings.

i think those posts could have been a little less condesending and more explanatory as to why they did not wish to help anyone attempting this. i also understood it was from pride of what they acomplished and think it shouldn't be changed. being asked the same questions over and over about how to go about undoing some of their changes in gwx is understandably frustrating. when you add to this the fact that someone stole their work and sold it for profit with little more than just a name change, you can understand the misunderstandings.

[bigboywooly]

i have seen the posts from some gwx team members which were a little harsh when refering to a new modder wanting to undo some of the realism added by gwx.

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Source ?

Would help to know what you mean

[Webster]

i have seen the posts from some gwx team members which were a little harsh when refering to a new modder wanting to undo some of the realism added by gwx.

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Source ?

Would help to know what you mean


i am not going down that road and discuss individual posts

nor am i saying the gwx team is to blame for anything

i AM saying is most of the ISSUES involved in the recent discussions are just misunderstandings and bad choices of wordings

[bigboywooly]

I didnt want you to " go down that road " but it would help if we knew what you were refering to in that statment

AFAIK nobody on the team cares if ppl want to " dumb " down their own installations ( not being funny when use that phrase )

Each installation is down to the individual to do with as they please
In fact tis the same on the Dev team or Rubini wouldnt have released his stay alert crew mod or reduced positive buoyancy mod

But your right
The written word doesnt convey emotion so can be misconstrued

[GlobalExplorer]

i AM saying is most of the ISSUES involved in the recent discussions are just misunderstandings and bad choices of wordings

That is one hell of a lesson we have learnt! Think not only about what you want to say, but also reflect how!

So while people disagree, I dont think the discussion was pointless at all ;)