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panthercules
05-09-07, 12:42 AM
EDIT - updated for Patch 1.4

Confirmed that the numbering in these sections of the menu_1024_768.ini file did not change between patch 1.3 and patch 1.4 - also confirmed that these tweaks continue to work under patch 1.4 with no apparent negative side effects (at least none have surfaced so far).

Thanks to LukeFF renewing his question, I did confirm during this testing that my instructions on how to resize the box were incomplete before. In order to resize the message box without screwing up the scroll bar functionality, not only do you need to change the 3rd and 4th numbers in the zone line for section [G3F I241] as noted below, but you also have to make the same changes (increase the 3rd and 4th zone numbers by the same amount) in section [G3F I237] as you do in section [G3F I241]

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EDIT - Updated for Patch 1.3 -

Patch 1.3 altered the numbering of the sections in the menu_1024_768.ini so that these fixes to the message box (relocating, as well as making transparent and removing the opacity slider) need to be made to different-numbered sections, as follows:

Moving message box to bottom left (at 1024x768):
[G3F I237]
Zone= 256 764 350 94 0 1 0x3F000000 0.25 0 0x3F2A0000 0 0 -255 -614

Making message box start transparent:
[G3F I249]
Color=0xFFFFFF00 ;was 80

Removing opacity slider:
[G3F I242]
Name=OpacitySlider
Zone= 328 767 120 30 0 1 0x3F2A0005 1 -0.5 0x3F360000 0 0.5 10 -2000

The opacity fix works for any resolution, but as before, if you're running a different/higher resolution you may need to tweak these numbers a bit to get it where you want.

Enjoy!




EDIT - NOTE - It turns out that the patch 1.3 renumbered the section mentioned in some of the posts below about resizing the message box as well - what was [G3F I233] is now [G3F I241]. Therefore, if you want to resize the box when using SH4 version 1.3, you'll need to make changes to that section as follows:[G3F I241]
Zone= 262 742 338 68 0 1 0x3F2A0000 0 0 0x3F320000 0 0 6 -22



As before, you just add whatever numbers you want to the "338" to make the message area wider, and to the "68" to make it taller - you'll need to experiment a little to get the size you want. I tried it with adding 100 to each, and it gave a pretty good increase without taking over the whole screen. Don't worry that the scroll bar on the right seems to disappear - it comes back as soon as you have enough text messages to need it again. Also, if you've moved the box down to the bottom and then you make it bigger, you'll probably need to relocate it somewhat to keep the larger box from being partially obscured by the order bar.



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Well, I finally managed to fix something that's been bugging me since the first time I fired up SH4, and I thought maybe somebody else would appreciate this little tidbit.

I always hated where they put the message log display at the top center, and the fact that the game wouldn't remember where you moved it so that I had to keep moving it every time I started up the game. So, flush with my newly-won (though highly derivative) victories over the menu_1024_768.ini file (moving the sliding recog manual up per this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=519299#post519299 ; and moving the hydrophone notepad out of the way per this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=526468&posted=1#post526468 ), I decided to see if I could figure out how to make the message log start out where I wanted it so I wouldn't have to keep dragging it each time.








Eureeka! After an embarrassingly large number of trial and error attempts (before I finally figured out how to chart out the relationships between the sections and actually deduce which 2 sections were the only ones I needed to change), I finally managed to get this tweaked. The changes are very simple, and are as follows:To move the message log box to the bottom left corner (my favorite position) where it will "hide" behind the bottom toolbar until the toolbar slides down, you only have to change the "Zone" lines of the following 2 sections of the menu_1024_768.ini file (changing last 2 Zone numbers to go left by 255 and down by 610) so they now read as follows:

[G3F I229]
Zone= 256 764 350 94 0 1 0x3F000000 0.25 0 0x3F2A0000 0 0 -255 -614

[G3F I242]
Zone= -600 200 300 100 2 1 0x3F000000 0 -1 0x3F040000 -2 1 -255 -510







See screenshot below which shows placement of message log this achieves:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/SH4-largercaptainslog.jpg

Word of caution - this has only been tested and only works exactly like this if you're running at 1024x768. If you're using a higher/different resolution you will have to adjust your numbers accordingly since they represent the number of pixels the log is moved down and to the left from where it was in stock location. Also, I'm using RFB 1.22 as my base menu_1024_768.ini file - I don't think that mod messed with these particular sections, but if you're seeing different numbers in your existing zone lines then you may not be able to use my exact numbers shown in yellow above but, again, you should be able to subtract the same basic numbers (255 left, 610 down) from your existing zone numbers to get the same result at 1024x768 resolution.

I've been unsuccessful so far trying to tweak this so the "locked" box would start out checked and the opacity slider would start out all the way left (max transparent) - I suspect those things may be hard-coded since they have to react to player actions, but if anybody knows how to pre-set those, that would be great. As it is, it's still better than having to drag the dang thing every time, so I hope you find it useful.


Good luck and good hunting!

Canonicus
05-09-07, 11:55 AM
Great work, panthercules :up:

I like to keep the order bars up, so there's a nice notch to the right of the camera tab and the engine telegraph.

I dropped it right in there with 125, -800. This was at a resolution of 1280 x 960 on a 22" widescreen display.

latemail
05-09-07, 12:16 PM
:up: :up: :up: :up:

Well done !!

:up: :up: :up: :up:

DiveMonkey
05-09-07, 12:36 PM
Acer 22in wide screen 1440x900...100 -750
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Hamm109/SH4Img9-5-2007_11.jpg

Nice work
Thank you :up:

We should all post our rez and zone numbers for others to use :up:

ustahl
05-09-07, 07:56 PM
Acer 22in wide screen 1440x900...100 -750
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Hamm109/SH4Img9-5-2007_11.jpg

Nice work
Thank you :up:

We should all post our rez and zone numbers for others to use :up:
Agreed.:rock:
LG 22in wide screen @ rez 1680x1050: 100 -900 (Position like DiveMonkey's screen above).
If only it could be made instantly transparent...

panthercules
05-09-07, 08:41 PM
If only it could be made instantly transparent...

Yeah - I saw a line saying "Slider Position = ..." in one of the sections and thought maybe I'd found the key but it turned out to apparently be referring to the vertical slider to scroll the messages, so no luck - I'd love to think it might be tweakable here, but I haven't seen any indication of how to do it so far.

[edit] Eureeka!! Just figured it out :yep:




First, I tried moving the background off-screen with a -400 -400 on the zone line - that works but some minor functionality was lost that way. I'd been wondering in another thread why the color entries in the "color=" lines had 8 places/characters when all of the color hex-formulas I'd seen only had 6 places/characters - then it dawned on me. The last two places in that line are for opacity! Voila! the change is simple - just make the following additional change to menu_1024_768.ini:[G3F I241]
Color=0xFFFFFF00 ;was 80



Now, all the functionality seems to still be there, and the message log background starts and stays transparent! :D

Enjoy!

U-Bones
05-09-07, 11:21 PM
Acer 22in wide screen 1440x900...100 -750
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Hamm109/SH4Img9-5-2007_11.jpg

Nice work
Thank you :up:

We should all post our rez and zone numbers for others to use :up:
1152 x 864 - Use "159" and "-709" for placement between tabs and dials.

Really nice find here - I was totally tired of moving this all the time.

ustahl
05-10-07, 02:18 AM
If only it could be made instantly transparent...
Voila! the change is simple - just make the following additional change to menu_1024_768.ini:[G3F I241]
Color=0xFFFFFF00 ;was 80

Now, all the functionality seems to still be there, and the message log background starts and stays transparent! :D

Enjoy!
Confirmed! Now it's exactly like I want it right from the start - no more dragging & changing opacity.:|\\

Thank you very much, Panthercules!:up:

One question though:
Regarding repositioning the message box your instructions are to adjust those Zone values in both [G3F I229] and [G3F I242].
I found that changing [G3F I229] alone was enough, and altering also [G3F I242] did not make any difference. Also your values for [G3F I242] are different than for [G3F I229]. Is there a reason for changing [G3F I242]?:hmm:

Bane
05-10-07, 07:57 AM
This is sweet! Thanks panthercules! :|\\

panthercules
05-11-07, 12:02 AM
Thank you very much, Panthercules!:up:

One question though:
Regarding repositioning the message box your instructions are to adjust those Zone values in both [G3F I229] and [G3F I242].
I found that changing [G3F I229] alone was enough, and altering also [G3F I242] did not make any difference. Also your values for [G3F I242] are different than for [G3F I229]. Is there a reason for changing [G3F I242]?:hmm:

Good question - when I charted all the sections, those were the only two that both had the same, upper level parentID, so I figured that they should both be moved by the same amount (that's why the last two numbers are slightly different - I subtracted the same two numbers from each item, but the items started with slightly different numbers) - when that worked, I didn't go back to test to see if it also would have worked with changing only [G3F I229]. But, it looks like you may be right - I just went back and tried it, and there doesn't seem to be any discernable difference between changing just [G3F I229] and changing both sections, so I guess you don't really need to change [G3F I242] after all - good find!

U-Bones
05-11-07, 07:02 AM
Thank you very much, Panthercules!:up:

One question though:
Regarding repositioning the message box your instructions are to adjust those Zone values in both [G3F I229] and [G3F I242].
I found that changing [G3F I229] alone was enough, and altering also [G3F I242] did not make any difference. Also your values for [G3F I242] are different than for [G3F I229]. Is there a reason for changing [G3F I242]?:hmm:
Good question - when I charted all the sections, those were the only two that both had the same, upper level parentID, so I figured that they should both be moved by the same amount (that's why the last two numbers are slightly different - I subtracted the same two numbers from each item, but the items started with slightly different numbers) - when that worked, I didn't go back to test to see if it also would have worked with changing only [G3F I229]. But, it looks like you may be right - I just went back and tried it, and there doesn't seem to be any discernable difference between changing just [G3F I229] and changing both sections, so I guess you don't really need to change [G3F I242] after all - good find!

I assumed one was for multiplayer.

panthercules
05-11-07, 06:51 PM
I assumed one was for multiplayer.

I've never messed with multiplayer, but what is it about multiplayer that would make this (or part of this) be different for multiplayer? Is there some sort of special "same team" channel or something that shows up differently for messages players type to each other or something?

But yeah - since I only play single player I haven't tested any of these things for multiplayer and have no idea what sort of unintended consequences might show up in multiplayer. - so, you MP guys are on your own :o

LukeFF
05-17-07, 01:24 AM
Great job on this one! Now I have my sonarman's notepad and the message box right where I want them.

Delusory
05-31-07, 10:56 AM
Acer 22in wide screen 1440x900...100 -750
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Hamm109/SH4Img9-5-2007_11.jpg

Nice work
Thank you :up:

We should all post our rez and zone numbers for others to use :up:
I use 1280x1024 and the numbers are: 120 -874
It seems that the thickness of the bar is about 150 pixels, but i don't know the lenght from the left.
Good luck ;)

LukeFF
06-30-07, 01:07 PM
Great job on this one! Now I have my sonarman's notepad and the message box right where I want them.

Now for two other questions: how do you resize the message box, and is there a way to have the check box clicked by default? (i.e., the one that keeps the message box from being moved)

panthercules
07-01-07, 12:14 AM
Great job on this one! Now I have my sonarman's notepad and the message box right where I want them.

Now for two other questions: how do you resize the message box, and is there a way to have the check box clicked by default? (i.e., the one that keeps the message box from being moved)

Well, I still haven't cracked making the check box start out checked - I was able to "remove" the check box and dragging box entirely by moving them well off-screen. However, while doing that seems to prevent you from drag-moving the box, you can still manually drag-resize it, so removing it isn't quite the same as having it be checked. Gonna have to think about this one some more :hmm:

Prodded by your post, however, I did figure out how to resize the message text area - just change the two numbers noted below (in the menu_1024_768.ini file):
[G3F I233]
Zone= 262 742 338 68 0 1 0x3F2A0000 0 0 0x3F320000 0 0 6 -22
Add whatever numbers you want to the "338" to make the message area wider, and to the "68" to make it taller - you'll need to experiment a little to get the size you want. I tried it with adding 100 to each, and it gave a pretty good increase without taking over the whole screen. Don't worry that the scroll bar on the right seems to disappear - it comes back as soon as you have enough text messages to need it again.

While I was at it, I also went ahead and did something I've been meaning to do since I figured out how to make it start transparent - which was to remove the opacity slider along the top (which doesn't work any more once you make it transparent the way I did anyway) - just make the following change:
[G3F I234]
Zone= 328 767 120 30 0 1 0x3F2A0005 1 -0.5 0x3F360000 0 0.5 10 -2000
Thanks for bringing me back to this - been meaning to get that opacity thing off there for a while now and just needed a little prodding :D

LukeFF
07-01-07, 02:15 AM
Thanks! Will make those changes.

panthercules
07-29-07, 02:42 PM
Patch 1.3 altered the numbering of the sections in the menu_1024_768.ini so that these fixes to the message box (relocating, as well as making transparent and removing the opacity slider) need to be made to different-numbered sections, as follows:

Moving message box to bottom left (at 1024x768):
[G3F I237]
Zone= 256 764 350 94 0 1 0x3F000000 0.25 0 0x3F2A0000 0 0 -255 -614

Making message box start transparent:
[G3F I249]
Color=0xFFFFFF00 ;was 80

Removing opacity slider:
[G3F I242]
Name=OpacitySlider
Zone= 328 767 120 30 0 1 0x3F2A0005 1 -0.5 0x3F360000 0 0.5 10 -2000

The opacity fix works for any resolution, but as before, if you're running a different/higher resolution you may need to tweak these numbers a bit to get it where you want.

Enjoy!

LukeFF
08-31-07, 06:16 AM
Prodded by your post, however, I did figure out how to resize the message text area - just change the two numbers noted below (in the menu_1024_768.ini file):[G3F I233]
Zone= 262 742 338 68 0 1 0x3F2A0000 0 0 0x3F320000 0 0 6 -22
Add whatever numbers you want to the "338" to make the message area wider, and to the "68" to make it taller - you'll need to experiment a little to get the size you want. I tried it with adding 100 to each, and it gave a pretty good increase without taking over the whole screen. Don't worry that the scroll bar on the right seems to disappear - it comes back as soon as you have enough text messages to need it again.

This one has been bugging me for some time. I've upped that first number to 500, but the size of the message box never changes for me. I really want to set it to that value, because it's really stupid having such a small message box when I have a 24" widescreen. Is there another value in that block that needs to be edited?

panthercules
08-31-07, 06:58 PM
Prodded by your post, however, I did figure out how to resize the message text area - just change the two numbers noted below (in the menu_1024_768.ini file):[G3F I233]
Zone= 262 742 338 68 0 1 0x3F2A0000 0 0 0x3F320000 0 0 6 -22


Add whatever numbers you want to the "338" to make the message area wider, and to the "68" to make it taller - you'll need to experiment a little to get the size you want. I tried it with adding 100 to each, and it gave a pretty good increase without taking over the whole screen. Don't worry that the scroll bar on the right seems to disappear - it comes back as soon as you have enough text messages to need it again.

This one has been bugging me for some time. I've upped that first number to 500, but the size of the message box never changes for me. I really want to set it to that value, because it's really stupid having such a small message box when I have a 24" widescreen. Is there another value in that block that needs to be edited?

Were you trying this before or after the latest patch? Turns out that the patch renumbered this section as well - what was [G3F I233] is now [G3F I241]. When I tested it with the new section number (adding 100 to each of the numbers as noted in my earlier post), the box expanded as shown in the picture below:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/largermessagebox.jpg

Try that and see if it works for you now. Good luck! [BTW - you'll need to move the box up to make room for the larger area, or it will get blocked by the order bar]

LukeFF
09-01-07, 04:29 AM
Thanks! That almost did it for me. :D Now, when I try to move my mouse cursor to the right edge of the message box the scroll bar disappears! Why is this happening?

tomoose
10-13-07, 09:01 AM
I have a ViewSonic 22" at 1680 x 1050 with the TM1.6 mod.

For the above screen using the dimensions 25 -900, as indicated in the previous posts, at the [G3F I237] line,
positions the scrolling text menu at the bottom 'sitting' on the command bar and up against the rightmost command tab. Essentially bottom-middle of the screen. I hope this helps other ViewSonic owners.

For general info the left number (25) moves the menu left as you decrease the value, the right number (-900) moves the menu down as you decrease the value.

Thanks for the info gents.
:up:

panthercules
10-13-07, 02:45 PM
Thanks! That almost did it for me. :D Now, when I try to move my mouse cursor to the right edge of the message box the scroll bar disappears! Why is this happening?

Do you have more messages/text than fits on the screen at one time? If you only have a few messages/lines of text, the scroll bar disappears ('cause you don't have anything to scroll) and then it comes back as soon as you have enough messages/lines of text so that you would actually need to scroll to see them all.

If that's not the problem, let me know and I'll see what else it might be.

LukeFF
10-14-07, 03:54 AM
Do you have more messages/text than fits on the screen at one time? If you only have a few messages/lines of text, the scroll bar disappears ('cause you don't have anything to scroll) and then it comes back as soon as you have enough messages/lines of text so that you would actually need to scroll to see them all.

If that's not the problem, let me know and I'll see what else it might be.

I don't think that was the problem, as I recall. I just went back to the stock setting and left it at that, as it wasn't that big of an issue for me.

Scottb8411
11-28-07, 01:39 AM
I play at 1280x1024 and my menu_1024_768.ini changes to move the message log on start-up from 1.3 still are valid for 1.4! This change , along with Jake's MetalHud mod, really add a polished look to the game that is lacking from the stock game.

panthercules
11-28-07, 01:44 AM
Glad it's working for you - thanks for posting an update. I've checked the changes to the menu_1024_768.ini file in patch 1.4 and there weren't all that many, so I was hoping this little trick wouldn't be affected, but I hadn't had time to check it myself yet.

LukeFF
11-30-07, 10:06 AM
Thanks! That almost did it for me. :D Now, when I try to move my mouse cursor to the right edge of the message box the scroll bar disappears! Why is this happening?
Do you have more messages/text than fits on the screen at one time? If you only have a few messages/lines of text, the scroll bar disappears ('cause you don't have anything to scroll) and then it comes back as soon as you have enough messages/lines of text so that you would actually need to scroll to see them all.

If that's not the problem, let me know and I'll see what else it might be.

Okay, now I wanted to get back to this issue. The problem is that, as soon as I move my mouse cursor to the right, just past the text, the scroll bar will disappear. I would be mighty grateful if you could help me with that. :yep:

panthercules
11-30-07, 09:32 PM
Thanks! That almost did it for me. :D Now, when I try to move my mouse cursor to the right edge of the message box the scroll bar disappears! Why is this happening?
Do you have more messages/text than fits on the screen at one time? If you only have a few messages/lines of text, the scroll bar disappears ('cause you don't have anything to scroll) and then it comes back as soon as you have enough messages/lines of text so that you would actually need to scroll to see them all.

If that's not the problem, let me know and I'll see what else it might be.

Okay, now I wanted to get back to this issue. The problem is that, as soon as I move my mouse cursor to the right, just past the text, the scroll bar will disappear. I would be mighty grateful if you could help me with that. :yep:

OK - you may need to post or PM me with the resolution you're running and the numbers you used in your tweaks to do this, but in the meantime, I want to make sure I understand the problem/behavior you're talking about.

In my game with this done, this is what I see when I have my mouse cursor anywhere in the message box:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/SH4msgboxwithscrollbar.jpg

As you can see, the scroll bar/arrows on the right (and the move/lock indicators at top left) are visible.

Then, whenever I move my cursor anywhere outside the message box, this is what it looks like:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/SH4msgboxwithoutscrollbar.jpg

Is this what you're talking about, or is it something else? It works the same way for me in stock, so I figure you must be talking about something else, but I can't recreate any problem here. If you send me your resolution and tweaked menu_1024_768.ini lines, I'll see if I can figure out what's going on.

Scottb8411
11-30-07, 11:41 PM
Luke, I play at 1280x1024 and get the exact same results as you regarding the scroll bar.

It drove me crazy until I found that by placing your cursor somewhere in the message area (as pictured in panthercules' last post - first screen cap)
you can scroll through your messages using the scroll wheel on your mouse, rather than the onscreen scroll bars. Hope this works for you as well.

LukeFF
12-01-07, 12:58 AM
@panthercules,

The problem is that my scroll bar disappears before I move my mouse cursor out of the box just to the right of the text (in your first above example pic the cursor would disapper on me about 15-20 pixels to the right of the word of).

This is the pertinent line from my file. I am running the game at 1920x1200:

[G3F I241]
Name=ListboxMessages2
Type=1047;Listbox with items
ItemID=0x3F320000
ParentID=0x3F2A0000
Pos=6,-22,338,68
Zone= 262 742 438 118 0 1 0x3F2A0000 0 0 0x3F320000 0 0 6 -22
@Scott,

Thanks, I'll give that a try.

panthercules
12-01-07, 01:53 AM
@panthercules,

The problem is that my scroll bar disappears before I move my mouse cursor out of the box just to the right of the text (in your first above example pic the cursor would disapper on me about 15-20 pixels to the right of the word of).

This is the pertinent line from my file. I am running the game at 1920x1200


Yikes - now I understand your problem, but apparently I can't run at that resolution on my 8800GTS and (old) 21" monitor, so I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to recreate the effect here. I'll try your numbers tomorrow anyway, and see what happens on my screen, but it may not work or tell us anything at my resolutions. Hopefully the mouse wheel thing will work for you and sidestep the issue.

panthercules
12-01-07, 02:16 PM
@LukeFF

OK - I think I know what the problem is - when I tried your numbers in your post above as the only change I made to the menu_1024_768.ini , this is what I got - notice especially the dark box under some of the text in the pictures below:

With the cursor anywnere in the dark box, the scroll bar and arrows are visible:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/SH4-Luketestwithscrollbar.jpg

But, move the cursor outside the dark box, and they disappear:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/SH4-Luketestwithoutscrollbar.jpg

I think that there's some sort of mismatch between the changes you made to section [G3F I233] and the changes you made (or didn't make) to section [G3F I241] - that latter section seems to control the size/position of the dark box, and you probably need to make the same size-related changes to [G3F I241] that you made to [G3F I233] (probably in the 3rd and 4th numbers in the Zone line) - looks like I didn't realize you needed to resize both the text area and the dark background area at the same time or you lose the scroll bar capability.

Try that and let me know if your problem goes away.

OOPS - hang on - the old notes document I was checking on had section numbers that were left over from before patch 1.3, which changed the numbering of some of these sections. Apparently I updated the first post in this thread for Patch 1.3 but not my notes document - I'll have to take another look and find out which section you need to use to resize the dark background.

Woot - GOT IT!

all you have to do is make the same changes (increase the 3rd and 4th zone numbers by the same amount) in section [G3F I237] as you do in section [G3F I241] - so, using your numbers in the post above, where:

[G3F I241]
Zone= 262 742 438 118 0 1 0x3F2A0000 0 0 0x3F320000 0 0 6 -22

you should make the zone line in Section [G3F I237] be as follows:

[G3F I237]
Zone= 256 764 450 144 0 1 0x3F000000 0.25 0 0x3F2A0000 0 0 0 -4

That appeared to work fine in my resolution - try it with yours and let me know if it works - good luck !

LukeFF
12-03-07, 08:59 AM
Woot - GOT IT!

all you have to do is make the same changes (increase the 3rd and 4th zone numbers by the same amount) in section [G3F I237] as you do in section [G3F I241] - so, using your numbers in the post above, where:

[G3F I241]
Zone= 262 742 438 118 0 1 0x3F2A0000 0 0 0x3F320000 0 0 6 -22

you should make the zone line in Section [G3F I237] be as follows:

[G3F I237]
Zone= 256 764 450 144 0 1 0x3F000000 0.25 0 0x3F2A0000 0 0 0 -4

That appeared to work fine in my resolution - try it with yours and let me know if it works - good luck !

Thanks! I'll give that a try tonight.

LukeFF
12-04-07, 01:32 AM
Thanks! I'll give that a try tonight.

That did the trick! Thank you!

panthercules
12-09-07, 01:48 AM
Thanks! I'll give that a try tonight.

That did the trick! Thank you!

Great - glad that worked for you :up:

BTW - I finally figured out how to fix one last little niggling problem that I had with this. Some time ago, I started using SH4 Speech (great program, by the way - thanks minsc_tdp:yep: ) and its mouse command features seemed to work better if you leave the orders bar locked. Of course, I had originally moved the message box down to where it would just barely clear the orders bar when it was slid down when unlocked, so that meant I had to move the message log box back up a bit from where I had moved it originally with this "mod" so that it wouldn't be obscured by the now-higher, locked orders bar. Unfortunately, that had the side effect of partially masking the bottom of the TDC panel, so I found myself having to drag the message log box around to get it out of the way of the TDC panel - not exactly what you want to have to be messing with while in the middle of an attack :nope:

So, I finally figured out how to move the TDC panel up slightly - just enough to get clear of the relocated message log box and still have everything work - see below:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/SH4-TDCpanelhigher.jpg

If you're running higher than 1024x768 resolution, this is probably not an issue for you since there's more room for the message log box in the higher resolutions, but if you're running 1024x768 you might want to try this - as it turns out, it's a very simple tweak to the menu_1024_768.ini file, as follows:
[G42 I1]
Zone= 0 768 1024 768 2 1 0x0 0.5 -0.5 0x42000000 -0.5 0.5 0 40
Enjoy!