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Capt. WigSplitta

04-24-07, 08:22 AM

ParaB

04-24-07, 08:33 AM

IMHO Silent Hunter III with the GWX mod is the better WW2 subsim compared to SH IV in its present state. More varied sub types, interesting weapons like the FAT and LUT topedoes, much more challenging game play.

Most played online? I really don't know since I was never interested in multiplayer in SHIII or IV.

Both are very good games, in the end it boils down to personal preference.

Quillan

04-24-07, 08:33 AM

Personally, at this moment I'd recommend going with SH3 if you've never played a sub sim before. That one has had 4 patches to iron out most of the bugs, and there are some great mods for it that tweak, balance, make more realistic, and otherwise adjust things that you might not agree with. This one has more potential, but it hasn't been out a month yet, so there are still lingering problems.

ReallyDedPoet

04-24-07, 08:33 AM

Welcome:up: That is not an easy question. If you don't have SH3, get it and also the GWX mod. There is still lots of play in SH3:yep:

I am playing SH4 as well now, like the game a lot, yes it is buggy, but I am being optimistic and thinking there are more fixes on the way. Plus there are some great mods for it already. The game has great potential.

In the end it is a matter of opinion though, you will find here at subsim everybody's got one, good, bad and yes ugly:yep:

RDP

AVGWarhawk

04-24-07, 08:35 AM

Depends on your tastes. Modern or WW2? I have only played one modern and that was I688. I do like the WW2 scenerio better. At any rate, if the Atlantic is your thought, SH3 and the addition of the super mod, GWX. You can get SH3 very cheap if you look around and the super mod is free. This mod is one of the best I have seen, period!

SH4 is the PTO WW2 American sub simulation. On the outset the game has some bugs but these are being corrected. I really enjoy the game. Bugs or not, it is a visual experience and quite fun to play. If you do decide on the SH4 sim, look at the required specs closely. It is a very demanding game on the computer. This is the first game I really could not cut a corner to have it run well. All in all, I rate the game highly....even with the few issues it has.

bruschi sauro

04-24-07, 08:41 AM

TDK1044

04-24-07, 08:47 AM

If you want the wonderful atmosphere of WWII subsimming, then the Atlantic based Silent Hunter 3 with the GWX mod is an excellent choice. Silent Hunter 4 is superior in terms of its graphical appearence, and it has more gameplay elements to offer. With additional patches and mods over the coming months, SH4 will be awesome, but for real atmosphere, the U Boat based SH3 GWX would be a wonderful introduction for you. :D

Quillan

04-24-07, 10:09 AM

While there is no denying the magnificence that is GWX, for someone who has never played a subsim before (much less Silent Hunter 3 in its vanilla state) I'm afraid that might be too steep a learning curve. Weren't some of the realism settings "disabled" in that? At least, even with the god's eye map updates on the colors are removed; everything is grey forcing manual identification by you.

tonyeh

04-24-07, 10:30 AM

Chock

04-24-07, 11:11 AM

As everyone else has suggested, Silent Hunter 3 in patched form with the (free) Grey Wolves mod is currently what most people regard as the best WW2 sub sim. (see SH3 downloads info on this site for more details)

If you prefer modern stuff, either Sub Command (or the more recent tweeked up version of it, Dangerous Waters) is the way to go. Dangerous Waters lets you mess with a several modern US nuclear subs, some Russian ones (including the Akula), as well as a frigate, ASW helicopter and ASW aircraft too (which you can fly). Be warned though, this is no eye-candy charmer, it has adequate graphics (quite nice in places) but concentrates on modern detection and weapon systems, rather than graphics oohs and aaahs. Also note that it is very in depth, so reading the (500-page plus) manual is quite necessary (although that's not as daunting as it sounds, since the 500 pages cover all the platforms and equipment in the sim).

Like the Silent Hunter section of Subsim, the Sub Command and Dangerous Waters forums offer a wealth of knowledge for the beginner. There is also a fairly large modding community for DW and SC, although these tend to be things that make it even more technical!

If you are not the sort of person who enjoys the kind of patience required for submarine attacks, you might find SC and DW a little boring (however, it does include a nice mission editor, so there are plenty of extra campaigns and scenarios to be found, I even managed to put my house in the game and attack it with cruise missiles). But, as stated, it has not so much a learning curve as a cliff, nevertheless, if you persevere with it (we are talking a few days of practice here at least), there's much enjoyment to be had from it (especially when you fire a supercavitating 250 knot Squall torpedo from your Akula, or launch a cruise missile at a target 120 miles away), and from a technical standpoint on weapons modelling, it really has no equal.

So in the end, the choice at the moment for the best is either Dangerous Waters, or SH3 with the GWX mod. SH4 will get there in the end, but expect to wait a year or so, but if eye candy is your priority SH4 is the one for you. In the end, it's whatever floats your boat.

AVGWarhawk

04-24-07, 11:16 AM

I'll be honest, I am not enjoying SHIV at the moment. Each mission is nervously loaded and nervously played. I am waiting for bugs to appear or some other irritating aspect of the game to raise its head and overall the game is just awkward compared to SHIII.

I was at first but not any longer after 30 some odd hours of play without issue.

CCIP

04-24-07, 11:18 AM

For one, I already prefer SHIV to SHIII. Just a little. :oops:

ReallyDedPoet

04-24-07, 11:22 AM

I'am wanting to start subsiming.And I'am wanting to know if Silent Hunter Wolves of the Pacific is the best subsim out right now?
I'am seeking the best subsim and most played online by fellow captains. SILENT HUNTER III WITH THE SUPER MOD GWX 1.03 IS FOR ME THE BEST SUBSIM.:yep: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

I posted this in another thread as well:yep:

Your comparing SH4 to SH3 GWX, like comparing apples and oranges. Compare it to stock SH3. SH3 has been out for over two years and many mods later:yep:

RDP

Nightmare

04-24-07, 11:26 AM

At the moment, there is simply no comparison between SHIII with GWX and SHIV in it's present state.

I'll be honest, I am not enjoying SHIV at the moment. Each mission is nervously loaded and nervously played. I am waiting for bugs to appear or some other irritating aspect of the game to raise its head and overall the game is just awkward compared to SHIII.
It’s getting a tad old of people comparing Sh3 + GWX to SH4. I mean, what do you expect? Sh3 has been out for over 2 years and went thru its complete patching cycle (4 patches) in its first 6 months of release. Now on that merit alone, of course Sh3 is going to be more “bug free” than Sh4. Now you throw in one of the best mods ever put together (my opinion) on top of that. GWX just didn’t happen overnight, it was being refined and grew over the period of about a year to a year and a half. Sh4 has only been on the market for a little over a month.

It’s quickly forgotten on how poor of state Sh3 was on release. The matter of if it was in worse shape than Sh4 is completely debatable. However the bottom line is you are comparing a completely patched product with an additional year and a half of development from members of our community to a new release with an actual development time of about 10 months and that didn’t have the scope that the GWX had. So let’s compare apples to apple (sh3 v1.02 to sh4 v1.02).

To the OP, it really depends on which era and what theater interests you. I believe it’s important to pick your first subsim in an area you are interested in. If you are interested more in to modern nuclear submarines I’d recommend Dangerous Waters.

WW2 interests you then Sh3 or Sh4 are good choices. Sh3 is set in the Atlantic and as posted above, has been out for over 2 years and is completely patched with a long list of mods. Sh4 is set in the Pacific and was released last month. This puts it still in its patching cycle. Sh4 is still a great game and it’s going thru its “growing pains” as we speak, but Sh3 went thru the same thing many moons ago.

Capt. WigSplitta

04-24-07, 11:28 AM

Thanks guys for all the quick replies.I'am buy SH3 and order Dangeous waters from my STEAM account.IS there anyone here willing to be my sub mentor?If so please email me.My name is Clinton.
burrell_2142@insightbb.com
or
halfdead_2007@yahoo.com

Chock

04-24-07, 01:06 PM

To be honest, rather than someone personally mentoring you, I suspect asking questions on this and other threads will yield you better results, and for the most part people on subsim are a friendly bunch. You'll probably find that exposing your queries to a larger number of people by posting in a forum will get you better and quicker answers, as there is a wealth of knowledge from all the subsim members just a few keypresses away.

There are people on this forum from all over the world, so you never have to wait that long for someone to come up trumps with an answer you seek. I'll certainly give it a go if I see any of your threads.

You might find that another useful site (other than subsim) for Dangerous Waters stuff is the one listed in the link below, (it features a lot of useful pdf manuals and help guides to assist you in getting your head around the stations on a modern submarine, particularly useful for sussing out the Waterfall displays and various sonar arrays).

www.subguru.com (http://www.subguru.com)

For SH3 and SH4, there are quite a lot of tutorials, pdfs, videos etc available to help you get your head around all the bits and pieces on a WW2 sub, be sure to check out Legion's SH4 noob guide flagged up on the main subsim page. Although it is for SH4 rather than SH3, it uses the simple targetting system in options, which is essentially no different from the SH3 one when you are on easy settings, and the tactics are exactly what you should be doing for any WW2 sub sim, so that one is definitely recommended.

If you do choose to download and install the Grey Wolves mod, be aware that it comes in several separate downloads (five in total I seem to recall, plus an update) and they are all fairly large, so you might want to get on the case with downloading that now, ready for when you have SH3 installed.

Good luck and good hunting :D

tonyeh

04-25-07, 05:36 AM

At the moment, there is simply no comparison between SHIII with GWX and SHIV in it's present state.

I'll be honest, I am not enjoying SHIV at the moment. Each mission is nervously loaded and nervously played. I am waiting for bugs to appear or some other irritating aspect of the game to raise its head and overall the game is just awkward compared to SHIII. It’s getting a tad old of people comparing Sh3 + GWX to SH4. I mean, what do you expect? Sh3 has been out for over 2 years and went thru its complete patching cycle (4 patches) in its first 6 months of release. Now on that merit alone, of course Sh3 is going to be more “bug free” than Sh4. Now you throw in one of the best mods ever put together (my opinion) on top of that. GWX just didn’t happen overnight, it was being refined and grew over the period of about a year to a year and a half. Sh4 has only been on the market for a little over a month.

It’s quickly forgotten on how poor of state Sh3 was on release. The matter of if it was in worse shape than Sh4 is completely debatable. However the bottom line is you are comparing a completely patched product with an additional year and a half of development from members of our community to a new release with an actual development time of about 10 months and that didn’t have the scope that the GWX had. So let’s compare apples to apple (sh3 v1.02 to sh4 v1.02).

To the OP, it really depends on which era and what theater interests you. I believe it’s important to pick your first subsim in an area you are interested in. If you are interested more in to modern nuclear submarines I’d recommend Dangerous Waters.

WW2 interests you then Sh3 or Sh4 are good choices. Sh3 is set in the Atlantic and as posted above, has been out for over 2 years and is completely patched with a long list of mods. Sh4 is set in the Pacific and was released last month. This puts it still in its patching cycle. Sh4 is still a great game and it’s going thru its “growing pains” as we speak, but Sh3 went thru the same thing many moons ago.
Even stock SHIII was a far superior game to SHIV as it presently stands. I remember SHIII when it came out and remember enjoying the game out of the box. So far , I have yet to actually enjoy a mission in SHIV, no matter how much I have tried. The "lethargic escorts" problem is one of the final nails in the present SHIV coffin. It may turn out that SHIV will be a great game...but I cannot see into the future.

Besides the original poster asked if the game was the best sub game out at the moment...and at the moment, no it's not. It's not even close.

...and what's getting old is people getting their knickers in a twist when somebody raises a critical point about the game. ;)

Tony

jdski

04-25-07, 07:42 AM

Ahh, go splurge and get 'em both.

ReallyDedPoet

04-25-07, 07:55 AM

...and what's getting old is people getting their knickers in a twist when somebody raises a critical point about the game. ;)

Tony

Stock was boring big-time:yep: GWX and some of the other great mods made it great.

There's critical, then there is constructive, I am tired of the critical:oops:

hyperion2206

04-25-07, 07:58 AM

I agree that the GWX mod is the best mod around, but it makes the game really realistic:D. In other words: compared to the stock game SH3 + GWX is quite difficult, especially for someone who has never played a subsim.
If you don't mind that however I would recommend SH3 + GWX as well (at least until we have a supermod for SH4;))

nfitzsimmons

04-25-07, 08:06 AM

To me, there's a basic conceptual difference between SH III and SH IV that has to do with history, rather than gameplay. Patched or unpatched, modded or unmodded, GWX or not, when I play SH IV I'm playing to win the war. with SH III GWX I'm playing to not lose too badly.

That said, I play each at about the same amount (2-3 everns in the Atlantic, another 2-3 in the Pacific,) and I find both experiences equally enjoyable. FWIW I'm not seeing desktop crashes in SH IV, and the current crop of modes make it quite playable.

But that's just my opinion.

tonyeh

04-25-07, 09:51 AM

Well, no one sub was ever going to win the war for any side. So that concept is a bad way to approach the game IMHO.

The only way to approach it is to sink as much tonnage as you can...and survive. That applies to any sub commander in the war.

Tony

U-Bones

04-25-07, 10:21 AM

I am sure it will get better, but in SH4, even with mods and patches, I have yet to complete even an abreviated career without some immersion breaking game issue. So, for a first time sub simmer, I would have to recommend SH3.

But as someone said, splurge and get both ;)