View Full Version : Anyone interested in modding SH4 to get SH3+ ?
urfisch
04-19-07, 04:34 AM
maybe you already saw it in the sh4 modding section - we are searching skilled members for our modding crew! have a look at the forum - click the banner below.
regards
uf
hmm, what a prospect - a really buggy version of SH3 with real fancy graphics... :lol:
pardon the sarcasm, but I just recovered from installing the latest patch from SH4 finding that nothing really had been done about the serious issues... So why anybody would want to go through the process and take a perfectly playable game (with really nice graphics) and play it on a messed up rushed version of SH4 is beyond me (and so is why I bought that latest version in the first place:shifty:)...
hmm, what a prospect - a really buggy version of SH3 with real fancy graphics... :lol:
pardon the sarcasm, but I just recovered from installing the latest patch from SH4 finding that nothing really had been done about the serious issues... So why anybody would want to go through the process and take a perfectly playable game (with really nice graphics) and play it on a messed up rushed version of SH4 is beyond me (and so is why I bought that latest version in the first place:shifty:)...
Tons of historical inaccuraties, bugs etc. in SHIII were fixed by the modders. Cant see why the same thing wouldn't happen with SHIV/SHIII2SHIV.
Sounds like a wonderful project. Do you think it might be a bit early in SH4's patching cycle to begin such a huge project?
For instance look at how many of the 1.1 Mods had to be redone after the release of Patch 1.2.
It could be frustrating. I do support the project and hopefully, "more realism" can be achieved with SH4 than with SH3. I just am so impressed with where SH3 has gone in the past two years.
Wilcke
GSpector
04-19-07, 10:19 AM
Looked interesting but very hard for me to enjoy the site,
I was surprised to see a post stating that only in the "Sailors Inn" is German ok to use when posting. Everything I looked at was in German. I could not even figure out how to reply let alone register, all the tab were in German.
It was nice that the thread headings were duel German/English. Please, either make a language option so all (except posts of course) are in 1 language so those that read German can read everything and those that read English can read everything.
hmm, what a prospect - a really buggy version of SH3 with real fancy graphics... :lol:
pardon the sarcasm, but I just recovered from installing the latest patch from SH4 finding that nothing really had been done about the serious issues... So why anybody would want to go through the process and take a perfectly playable game (with really nice graphics) and play it on a messed up rushed version of SH4 is beyond me (and so is why I bought that latest version in the first place:shifty:)...
Tons of historical inaccuraties, bugs etc. in SHIII were fixed by the modders. Cant see why the same thing wouldn't happen with SHIV/SHIII2SHIV.
Yup, the variety of missions supported, the potentially (though currently buggy) more realistic and deeper damage model are 2 good reasons to persue this.
Having myself experience with such a conversion :roll: I can well understand the size of the task you are planning and wish you best of luck. Yet I don't see any clear advantages in SH4 when compared with SH3 which justify the huge amount of work IMO. I mean, aircraft work well at high compression rates and graphics are a bit more fancy -but SH3 at high resolutions with AA and mods like GWX looks really well already- but that's more or less everything :-? None of the special missions of the US subs were assigned to german U-Boats normally, and you still lack wolfpacks and milk cows:cry: .
Anyway, I don't want to hijack your thread, this is not a discussion about if it is worth doing the conversion:88)
down and out
04-19-07, 03:03 PM
Uboats dropped off agents too :hmm:
Not too sure about rescuing pilots but rescued merchant sailors early war
Didnt photo enemy ports as far as I know but I suppose that mission type could be altered to say umm provide weather reports - which they did
Or something like that
Be interesting to see it working
:up: Keep up the great work
Tons of historical inaccuraties, bugs etc. in SHIII were fixed by the modders. Cant see why the same thing wouldn't happen with SHIV/SHIII2SHIV.
Clearly you haven't played SH4 - I wouldn't mind historical inaccuracies (see, I don't need a correct rivet count to be happy) if the game worked properly to start with...
Madox58
04-19-07, 03:40 PM
It's the posting language that stopped me from sticking around.
I do so wish I could read and speak German, but I can't.
Till there is a solution to this problem, I can't help.
Sorry.
Kpt. Lehmann
04-19-07, 05:37 PM
Tons of historical inaccuraties, bugs etc. in SHIII were fixed by the modders. Cant see why the same thing wouldn't happen with SHIV/SHIII2SHIV.
Clearly you haven't played SH4 - I wouldn't mind historical inaccuracies (see, I don't need a correct rivet count to be happy) if the game worked properly to start with...
This is a good project, and eventually I expect it will be completed. It will be a long road no doubt.
Regarding the challenges of modding/correcting SH4... Two or three years ago... it was the same with SH3.
It will happen. It is only a question of when.:|\\
Urfisch, stay stubborn and don't let anyone tell you that it can't be done. Hang in there mate! :up: :up: :up:
rascal101
04-19-07, 05:47 PM
Well I have SH4 1.2 modded with RFB1.3 etc, and still the game has none of the feel of SH3. Sure the ship models, graphics and environment in SH4 are way superior to SH3, but the modded SH3 game play, i.e. NYGM or GWX leaves SH4 for dead.
For sure there will be mods yet to come for SH4 and god speed, but I guess after trying quite a few times, I just am not interested or overly engaged in the Pacific theatre.
I've always said SH4 should have been released as an upgrade to SH3, not a new and seperate game. As an add on it could have upgraded the SH3 graphics and brought the Pacific to those that wanted it. So many people have dug into SH4 and found bits of SH3 embedded in it, I think there was even a band in a port playing the German national anthem for departing US subs! And I would have paid for such an add on quite happily.
Has any one heard or actually asked anyone from the SH4 Dev team if they are interested to update SH3 to SH4. I thought there had been some communication in this regard from the German Subsim crew and the the DEv team were considering handing over some files or lending some assistance.
I cannot offer much in the way of modding skills but will happily offer my time and testing abilities, opinions or suggestions and anything else to any one who can pull this off.
You see I am doubly cursed, I can’t play SH4 cos it just does'nt grab me, and I cant play SH3 cos my expectations re graphics and ship models etc have been raised by SH4. And SH3 does have those annoying little small merchants which look so out of synk with the rest of the game, very Tom and Jerry.
So now I play STALKER or the newly released Theatre of War from Battlefront or Armed Assault. Unless this mod succeeds, i.e. U-Boats in SH4 then I think my submarine days are drawing to a close.
Nothing I have said should be, or is intended to offend any one; I have simply stated my opinion.
Re the Atlantic Sharks web site, yes there does seem to be much in German, but most is translated, or you can work it out with a little effort. I guess it’s down to something my Dad used to say, if you want something badly enough you will do it!
So guys lets get stuck in, my moding skills are minimal, but I can edit, and I can test and provide reports, so if you guys want config files edited perhaps I can do that for you, lead the way and lets get started!
The thing that I would definitley like is that you'd no longer need to bugger around with fatigue settings. Auto crew shift management!
Though it strikes that the TDC would require major overhauling. Is it even possible to change the way the TDC works to match the German one without the SDK?
rascal101
04-20-07, 02:08 AM
Id like to see an end to buggery all together
The thing that I would definitley like is that you'd no longer need to bugger around with fatigue settings. Auto crew shift management!
Though it strikes that the TDC would require major overhauling. Is it even possible to change the way the TDC works to match the German one without the SDK?
urfisch
04-20-07, 12:34 PM
we always try to speak english. but there are some crew members who doesnt speak english, cause they cannot speak it(!) but i will keep this in mind. thank you
:smug:
Madox58
04-21-07, 01:07 PM
That's going to be the main problem at this point.
I hope it can be resolved as
lack of communications has sunk many a good endeavores. (SP?)
However, seeing that most want to do a conversion based on GWX,
I can not and will not be involved.
I will answer NO questions from anyone involved,
I will not assist,
I will not even consider a plea if this is your course.
I am a member of GWX.
And I AM DAMNED PROUD TO MAKE THAT GRADE!!!
I am A Privateer,
I Signed my Pledge to Kpt. Lehmann and all the Members of GWX.
I will not put myself in the role of Pirate!!
sergbuto
04-21-07, 02:20 PM
That's going to be the main problem at this point.
I hope it can be resolved as
lack of communications has sunk many a good endeavores. (SP?)
However, seeing that most want to do a conversion based on GWX,
I can not and will not be involved.
I will answer NO questions from anyone involved,
I will not assist,
I will not even consider a plea if this is your course.
I am a member of GWX.
And I AM DAMNED PROUD TO MAKE THAT GRADE!!!
I am A Privateer,
I Signed my Pledge to Kpt. Lehmann and all the Members of GWX.
I will not put myself in the role of Pirate!!
GWX is in turn a collection of mods by different people. Therefore, talks about piracy before hand/before something solid has been even produced as a result of conversion are sound somewhat strange to me.
Madox58
04-21-07, 02:25 PM
May sound strange to you,
that is my stance.
Flame me all you want,
question me all you want.
We are talking about SH4.
If I am to be involved,
in any way at this point.
Start fresh or don't call me.
And for you to even insinuate I accused some of Piracy?
I'll chalk that up to a launguage thing.
A Privateer would sign an agreement to preform certain acts.
On behalf of whom ever they had a deal with.
Should he go outside of said agreements,
he could then be considered a Pirate!
Read some history,
find out what Privateers and Pirates are and were.
Then talk to me again.
danlisa
04-21-07, 02:43 PM
IF this import into SH4 is going to use GWX as a base then.....
1)Permission should be sought.
2)GWX should be finished first.
3)Current GWX team members cannot be expected to help, their loyalties lie elsewhere.
Finally, I can't see any accusation of piracy on Privateer's part.:hmm:
Let me throw a spanner in the works!:yep:
I would like to see SHIII converted to a pacific theatre, ships, campaigns etc, less bugs & I (and others) would be able to play it, I purchased SHIV but can't play it without upgrading to a new system, but then I suppose UBI might not like it!:-?
But I sure would!:D
urfisch
04-23-07, 06:19 PM
hello guys. please keep calm.
there will definately be no usage of any gwx parts until our mod is finished. we already decided to work with the sh3 vanilla version - if this may smooth the waves...
:o
GoldenRivet
04-24-07, 09:55 PM
Uboats dropped off agents too :hmm:
Not too sure about rescuing pilots but rescued merchant sailors early war
Didnt photo enemy ports as far as I know but I suppose that mission type could be altered to say umm provide weather reports - which they did
Or something like that
Be interesting to see it working
:up: Keep up the great work
i know of at least one U-boat from U-boats.net that rescued a downed pilot in the north sea. of course they were depth charged and sunk on the return leg of their journey... bet the pilot appreciated that. :damn:
as far as privateers stance - i support what the GWX team has done for us all. Im glad we have such talent here. and i think any project like this for SH4 should be from scratch only.
GSpector
04-30-07, 03:39 AM
Wow, the Pics look great.
I noticed that the Ranks & Medals are still SHIV stock.
Safe-Keeper
04-30-07, 09:50 AM
Having been part of a large conversion project myself (X-Wing Alliance turned into TIE Fighter), I wish you guys the best of luck. It's a huge and fatiguing undertaking you've taken upon yourselves, even though you're just converting and re-balancing features rather than making them from scratch. I should know:dead:.
As for porting GWX, I'd prefer you left that to the GWX crew. However, I'm sure that if you can pull this off, it should act as a great base for a GWX port to SH4.
As a side note, I've jumped the SH4 ship for the time being to work more on NorOps, but no, I'd rather finish as much as possible of it before I think about starting to port stuff.
Don't you think it would be nice, instead of converting SH4 ships to SH3 in order to have them in Norops, to convert the Norops expansion to SH4 ?
I know, Norops is already a GWX expansion... But it would be the same expansion, "just" ported to GWX itself ported to SH4.
Just wondering. http://yelims3.free.fr/Jesuis/Marin01.gif http://yelims5.free.fr/Yeux/Yeux07.gif
GSpector
04-30-07, 10:37 AM
Not sure why, but I still seem to read comments suggesting that the team should leave GWX alone and work from scratch.
Am I the only one that has read from the beginning that they are NOT using GWX.
Suggesting people not do, what they are already not doing seems a little odd and all it's going to do is tick off those that have already said they won't do it.
What they have done so far looks great. I look forward to seeing the final product.
Madox58
05-05-07, 10:13 PM
Read some history,
find out what Privateers and Pirates are and were.
Then talk to me again.
Still waiting here
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