[REL] Realistic Crew Ranks and Skills

[LukeFF]

Realistic Ranks and Skills Mod


-Realistic Ranks:

This mod removes the ranks of Senior Chief Petty Officer and Master Chief Petty Officer from the game. Historically these ranks were not established by the U.S. Navy until 1958. In addition, the Seamen ranks now display their proper WWII-era titles.

-Skills:

This mod also removes the unrealistic IncreaseTorpedoSpeed and IncreaseTorpedoDamage local abilities. Torpedoes are complex weapons, so while a crew could be expected to decrease their loading times and increase their maintenance skills, there is no way a commander would allow the crew to tinker with sensitive items like the propulsion system and warhead.

SIDE EFFECTS:

You will notice the crew level numbers jump from 7 to 10. This is unavoidable, as levels 7 and 8 uses the Chief Petty Officer crew management image for these ranks. Just consider that ranks 8 and 9 are for officer cadets back in class at Annapolis. ;)

INSTALLATION:

This mod is JSGME Ready. For manual installation, extract these files to /Data/UPCData/UPCCrewData.

COMPATIBILITY:

This mod is compatible with Version 1.1 and later.

LINK:

http://files.filefront.com/Realistic_Crew_Ranks_and_szip/;7261702;/fileinfo.html

[Krupp]

Nice! Downloading and testing :D Thank you!

[Sailor Steve]

Good idea! I hope it works as expected.

[tater]

Is this compatible withthe realistic crew configs, or does that mod supercede this one?

[tycho102]

Interesting. Didn't know E8 and 9 weren't around until 1958.

[Der Graf Von Rudklide]

Thanx :up:

[t0maz]

Is this compatible withthe realistic crew configs, or does that mod supercede this one?

All I can say is that I checked the mods files and there is no conflicts, so i think they are compatible ;)

[LukeFF]

Is this compatible withthe realistic crew configs, or does that mod supercede this one?

As t0maz has said, they are compatible and complement one another.

[tater]

I already had both installed, just wanted to make sure I wasn;t breaking anything :D

tater

[Camaero]

Really cool! Thanks.

[Mav87th]

This mod also removes the unrealistic IncreaseTorpedoSpeed....

Would this not be the loading speed ?

[LukeFF]

This mod also removes the unrealistic IncreaseTorpedoSpeed....
Would this not be the loading speed ?
I think you're right, especially after reading this thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=582643). Beery, if you're reading this, I'd suggest removing this mod from RFB altogether, since we now know what these skills actually do.

[bunkerratt]

i stand to disagree sir the enlisted rank of master chief was indeed in effect in the second world war ..i mean no dis respect ..but i come from a navy family both male grand parents ww2 navy ...2 great uncles ww2 navy flyers 2 uncles both post ww2 and a father navy... myself u s navy sea cadets 4 yrs .u s marines active 4 yrs so in proof i present the following link ...
http://www.valoratsea.com/paygrade.htm:up:

[LukeFF]

i stand to disagree sir the enlisted rank of master chief was indeed in effect in the second world war ..i mean no dis respect ..but i come from a navy family both male grand parents ww2 navy ...2 great uncles ww2 navy flyers 2 uncles both post ww2 and a father navy... myself u s navy sea cadets 4 yrs .u s marines active 4 yrs so in proof i present the following link ...
http://www.valoratsea.com/paygrade.htm:up:
And...I must disagree with you in turn, and I mean no disrespect either, as I come from a navy family as well (both grandfathers, one of whom is buried at the National Cemetery here in Riverside). From the OFFICIAL U.S. Navy Historical Center website:

The pay grades of E-8 and E-9, Senior Chief and Master Chief, were created effective June 1, 1958, under a 1958 Amendment to the Career Compensation Act of 1949.
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq46-1.htm

Valor at Sea is flat out wrong. I don't know where they got their information from, but in any case it's totally incorrect.

[bunkerratt]

and i stand corrected...and i need no more beer either :damn:

[LukeFF]

Okay, I just found out something else that can make this mod even more realistic, providing that my assumption is true. At the top of the ranks.upc file lies this info:

;LevelUp= Free - Is done automatically while in patrol.
;LevelUp= Base - Is only done in base and requires an action by the player
;LevelUp= Restricted - Player Only

That means we can get rid of the "Just Promoted" nonsense that happens while we're out on patrol. Provided, that really is "nonsense," in the sense that sailors on submarines weren't promoted while at sea!

So, can someone state a primary source which states, one way or the other, whether sailors could and were promoted while on patrol at sea?

[LukeFF]

WARNING: this mod is no longer compatible with version 1.3 and will crash the game, as the rank names now come from UPCLocalization.tsr. As it is, the in-game ranks are now correct, so this mod is really no longer needed.

[CaptainCox]

Cheers for the heads up!

[LukeFF]

Cheers for the heads up!
Not a problem! I'm going to try to release a new version of this mod, because while the ranks are technically now correct, the unhistorical Senior Chief and Master Chief Ranks are still in there. :nope: