sh3 into sh4?

[rizZO_77]

Wouldt it be nice to have a campaign that handles the atlantic theatre in sh4?

I mean, if it's possible, redo sh3 into sh4 in a mod? Anybody working on that or anything?

With this (this must be the BEST ive ever seen so far in over 20 years of gaming) graphics i would just LOVE a Prien-alike sneak into Scapa Flow for instance...:arrgh!:

[CaptainCox]

There is a project running...dig back some page/pages and you will find it.
Got it...that search function does wonders hey ;)
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107904

[Alex]

See Regarding Porting GWX over to SH4 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109994) by Kpt. Lehmann, Modders wanted - for big "Switch SH4->SH3 project" (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109907) by Urfisch, and Members for MOD needed: Switch SH4 to German boats/Atlantic (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107904) by Urfisch

:cool:

[clayton]

I'm tired of the Atlantic. This post would be better served over at the SH3 forum!

[Sea Demon]

I'm tired of the Atlantic. This post would be better served over at the SH3 forum!

Me too. The Atlantic theatre and German U-boats are boring at best for me at this point. Been there, done that with two back to back sims. If you like SH3, there's another forum that deals in that department. Back-conversions of SH3 as SH4 is an OK idea for you guys still stuck on SH3. But if you haven't noticed, this forum is for SH4 users. Take your SH3 ideas to the proper forum please.

[bigboywooly]

Oooh touchy there guys

The original posts asks the q

Wouldt it be nice to have a campaign that handles the atlantic theatre in sh4?


Well that does belong in the SH4 forum
As he is asking for an Atlantic campaign IN SH4

Obviously not everyone is fed up with the Atlantic or the question wouldnt keep being asked

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I'm tired of the Atlantic. This post would be better served over at the SH3 forum!

Me too. The Atlantic theatre and German U-boats are boring at best. If you like SH3, there's another forum that deals in that department. Back-conversions of SH3 as SH4 is an OK idea for you guys still stuck on SH3. But if you haven't noticed, this forum is for SH4 users. Take your SH3 ideas to the proper forum please.

Nope. I think I will post the idea right here.

I'm not at all interested in addressing posts/ thoughts regarding "This country's subs... or that country's subs are better than..."

Just because you... or someone else is bored with the Atlantic, does not mean that there is no place for people who ARE still interested in the Atlantic.

Now before you light the match... I think that you guys aren't thinking big enough.

Think of having a big "toggle-switch" that will allow you to bounce between both theaters basically at will... using the SH4 engine.

Enormous work? Yes.

Feasible? Oh yes.

Attitude problems directed against U-boat OR American sub enthusiasts in either the SH3 or SH4 forums can POISON the well. There are many elements of SH4 that will be familiar to modders making the switch from SH3. When you have a closed mind just because you are tired of a thing... Well, at the end of the day you are only shooting yourself in the foot.

Look at the big picture of what MIGHT be. To heck with limited scope.

[clayton]

I'm tired of the Atlantic. This post would be better served over at the SH3 forum!

Me too. The Atlantic theatre and German U-boats are boring at best. If you like SH3, there's another forum that deals in that department. Back-conversions of SH3 as SH4 is an OK idea for you guys still stuck on SH3. But if you haven't noticed, this forum is for SH4 users. Take your SH3 ideas to the proper forum please.

Nope. I think I will post the idea right here.

I'm not at all interested in addressing posts/ thoughts regarding "This country's subs... or that country's subs are better than..."

Just because you... or someone else is bored with the Atlantic, does not mean that there is no place for people who ARE.

Now before you light the match... I think that you guys aren't thinking big enough.

Think of having a big "toggle-switch" that will allow you to bounce between both theaters basically at will... using the SH4 engine.

Enormous work? Yes.

Feasible? Oh yes.

Attitude problems directed against U-boat OR American sub enthusiasts in either the SH3 or SH4 forums can POISON the well. There are many elements of SH4 that will be familiar to modders making the switch from SH3. When you have a closed mind just because you are tired of a thing... Well, at the end of the day you are only shooting yourself in the foot.

Look at the big picture of what MIGHT be. To heck with limited scope.

Agreed! So when are you modders who have figured out all of the ins and outs of SH3 going to help us with SH4??? Plus Lehmann, I was not implying that SH3 does not belong here, I was simply directing a user to a community who could help him in his quest! Relax man, no one here has any gripe with SH3!

Edit

You all need to police your own forum if you truly believe in Silent Hunter unity! There, I said it! Sh$t -- time to rip in to me...

[bigboywooly]

You already have some over here
Give them time to get to grips with the changes
And let Ubi finish patching it

GWX isnt finished yet anyway
One last big push ( last ? :rotfl: ) and then its play time

Most of the team arent interested in the PTO
Some of us cant even play it :doh:

[rizZO_77]

I am sorry if i struck a nerve with some ppl with my question.... Thought people would welcome this idea because it will enhance sh4 even more imho.

But you have a point if you say "we already had atlantic in sH2 and 3; now is the time for something different". I can imagine people getting bored with the jerry hardware after all this time...

But not me!:rock: :cool:

[EDIT] And the sh4 forum would be the place to ask this since i request/ have thoughts about adding to sh4; not having sh3 reworked to the PTO, in wich case i would post at the sh3 forum...

Again, sorry if i bored anyone with the question, i meant no harm with it...

[mr chris]

You all need to police your own forum if you truly believe in Silent Hunter unity! There, I said it! Sh$t -- time to rip in to me...
I take it by that you mean the Sh3 forums.
It is not are job to police the sh3 forums but the sh3 forum Modderators but it seems they are too busy with other things. But its a nice chilled atmosphere over in the sh3 forums now more than i can say for the SH4 ones.;)
Saying that i thought Subsim had a policy against uploading copyrighted music?:hmm::shifty:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=111110

[Alex]

Feasible? Oh yes.

I definitely like when Kpt. Lehmann speaks about this game.http://yelims.free.fr/IPB/Invision-Board-France-537.gif http://yelims.free.fr/IPB/Invision-Board-France-540.gif http://yelims.free.fr/Coucou/Coucou21.gif :rock:

GWX isnt finished yet anyway

:sunny: :|\\ :up: :up: :up: :up: :arrgh!:

[Mush Martin]

I'm tired of the Atlantic. This post would be better served over at the SH3 forum!
Me too. The Atlantic theatre and German U-boats are boring at best. If you like SH3, there's another forum that deals in that department. Back-conversions of SH3 as SH4 is an OK idea for you guys still stuck on SH3. But if you haven't noticed, this forum is for SH4 users. Take your SH3 ideas to the proper forum please.
Nope. I think I will post the idea right here.

I'm not at all interested in addressing posts/ thoughts regarding "This country's subs... or that country's subs are better than..."

Just because you... or someone else is bored with the Atlantic, does not mean that there is no place for people who ARE.

Now before you light the match... I think that you guys aren't thinking big enough.

Think of having a big "toggle-switch" that will allow you to bounce between both theaters basically at will... using the SH4 engine.

Enormous work? Yes.

Feasible? Oh yes.

Attitude problems directed against U-boat OR American sub enthusiasts in either the SH3 or SH4 forums can POISON the well. There are many elements of SH4 that will be familiar to modders making the switch from SH3. When you have a closed mind just because you are tired of a thing... Well, at the end of the day you are only shooting yourself in the foot.

Look at the big picture of what MIGHT be. To heck with limited scope.


Amen to that kpt

[clayton]

You all need to police your own forum if you truly believe in Silent Hunter unity! There, I said it! Sh$t -- time to rip in to me...
I take it by that you mean the Sh3 forums.
It is not are job to police the sh3 forums but the sh3 forum Modderators but it seems they are too busy with other things. But its a nice chilled atmosphere over in the sh3 forums now more than i can say for the SH4 ones.;)
Saying that i thought Subsim had a policy against uploading copyrighted music?:hmm::shifty:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=111110

Good catch! I'm glad to see our SH3 brothers are always watching.:)

[Ducimus]

I'm just going to quote one bit from page 20 of the games manual and leave it at that:

"Silent Hunter 4: wolves in the pacific is our hommage to the US submarine service and the feats they accomplished".

[ReallyDedPoet]

I'm tired of the Atlantic. This post would be better served over at the SH3 forum!
Me too. The Atlantic theatre and German U-boats are boring at best. If you like SH3, there's another forum that deals in that department. Back-conversions of SH3 as SH4 is an OK idea for you guys still stuck on SH3. But if you haven't noticed, this forum is for SH4 users. Take your SH3 ideas to the proper forum please.
Nope. I think I will post the idea right here.

I'm not at all interested in addressing posts/ thoughts regarding "This country's subs... or that country's subs are better than..."

Just because you... or someone else is bored with the Atlantic, does not mean that there is no place for people who ARE.

Now before you light the match... I think that you guys aren't thinking big enough.

Think of having a big "toggle-switch" that will allow you to bounce between both theaters basically at will... using the SH4 engine.

Enormous work? Yes.

Feasible? Oh yes.

Attitude problems directed against U-boat OR American sub enthusiasts in either the SH3 or SH4 forums can POISON the well. There are many elements of SH4 that will be familiar to modders making the switch from SH3. When you have a closed mind just because you are tired of a thing... Well, at the end of the day you are only shooting yourself in the foot.

Look at the big picture of what MIGHT be. To heck with limited scope.

Amen to that kpt

That would be quite the option, both of these great sims at your finger-tips, makes perfect sense. Whoever takes it on, good luck, your efforts will be appreciated big-time:yep::yep:

RDP

[Alex]

Nice quote, Ducimus. :)
Please can I express what I think about this thread ? :hmm: :p
You SH4 players are now bored of playing in the Atlantic Ocean, that's ok, no problem. And personnally I think nobody here wants to annoy you with SH3 unceasingly.:huh: But GWX is simply an incredible amount of work and the ultimate expansion for this game, then no doubt the dev team does not want its work to be forgotten, and secondly I think it's normal to speak about this game in the SH4 workshop, cause later we all will play GWX ported to SH4, but after all GWX is a SH3 expansion. :stare:

:88)
Cheers ! :D

[clayton]

Nice quote, Ducimus. :)
Please can I express what I think about this thread ? :hmm: :p
You SH4 players are now bored of playing in the Atlantic Ocean, that's ok, no problem. And personnally I think nobody here wants to annoy you with SH3 unceasingly.:huh: But GWX is simply an incredible amount of work and the ultimate expansion for this game, then no doubt the dev team does not want its work to be forgotten, and secondly I think it's normal to speak about this game in the SH4 workshop, cause later we all will play GWX ported to SH4, but after all GWX is a SH3 expansion. :stare:

:88)
Cheers ! :D

Not all of us!

Not the ultimate expansion. This is not Subsimgwx.com

Allow me to harp SH4 on the SH3 board and not port my messages back here!

We now have our Pacific, you keep your Atlantic!

Now, bring it on you pansies :rotfl:

[Hartmann]

Agree with Kpt. Lehmann :up: :rock:

[bigboywooly]

Tis no different to people wanting and getting Pacific aces for SH2

After just having the PTO in SH1

[HunterICX]

Tis no different to people wanting and getting Pacific aces for SH2

After just having the PTO in SH1
:up:Just come to think of it, thats a good point.

if you just put them in order

Sh1: PTO
SH2: Atlantic+PTO
SH3: Atlantic
SH4: PTO+Atlantic(ofcourse when the time comes)

[Ducimus]

AOD was atlantic too. German Uboats are still overdone. I just don't understand why people don't give the pacific and US subs a chance and explore it a bit more. Particuarly when some peoples favorite past times in SH3, (harbor raiding or encounters with captial ships) are acutally elements that are far more common in the pacific theater to begin with.

[Hartmann]

Well everybody is free of install or not a mod, the people who want only a pacific campaign don´t have to install a possible future mod. :yep:

I think that there is a better thing of have the pacific or atlantic scenary... is have both in the same game and be able to choose.
Also in the future some people could be tired of the pacific and wants go to atlantic again with the sh4 graphics and gameplay.


A good quote for a possible atlantic pacific campaign merge could be :

Dedicated to all those that fought and died in the sea during the WWII without distinction of nationality

[Ducimus]

Dedicated to all those that fought and died in the sea during the WWII without distinction of nationality

That would probably be a good quote. Theres an implied sense of bias that bordelines on bigotry when turning a fleet boat game into a uboat game. At least thats how i percieve it. I feel as if an important chapter of my nations history is being belittled, and i really don't like that at all. Which is why i tend to react negativley to these threads.

[partyboy]

I'm not bored with the Atlantic, and I would love to see a U-Boat campaign using the SH4 engine. Simple preference; nothing to do with patriotism. Silly to try and make it about that.

[clayton]

Burned out with the Alantic.
It's time for the Pacific!!! :up:

Would love to see all those modders come over to the light, the force, Gods chosen few, the Right -- well, at least when SH4 get's a good patch! ;)

[HunterICX]

Well if the modders accomplish getting the Atlantic in the SH4,
that would mean people who just CANT leave the Atlantic will buy SH4 and try the Mod,
its only more profit for Ubi and the Devs of SH4:yep: that could mean a new subsim in the future.
and also for the modders its a good challenge to practic their modding skill in SH4 by converting a whole new hunting ground into a game that is only in limited in the pacific

if I,m correct it doesnt matter if your in a U.S Submarine or in a German U-boat its about ''The Hunt, The Sinking and Victory!''

HunterICX

[P_Funk]

Exactly, Hunter. I don't buy this whole "it dishonours the American Fleet Boats if you want to play U-boats with SH4". Its about entertainment. Its just a game. I do learn alot about history this way too but it isn't a memorial to me. A memorial is somber and doesn't exploit the spectacle of war for mass scale enjoyment.

Plus in the end if you make a U-boat mod for SH4 then you'll likely grab a bunch of SH3 guys and get them to buy SH4 but in the process I'm sure that they'll try the Pacific Theatre too. I know I will when I get it.

[Uber Gruber]

That would probably be a good quote. Theres an implied sense of bias that bordelines on bigotry when turning a fleet boat game into a uboat game. At least thats how i percieve it. I feel as if an important chapter of my nations history is being belittled, and i really don't like that at all. Which is why i tend to react negativley to these threads.

Sorry El Duci old chap but I have to strongly disagree with you here - especially the "bordelines on bigotry" bit. I'll be honest up front and say that I have little to no interest in the Pacific War and never have had. I do not see America's war with Japan in the same way I see the war in Europe. In fact I personaly think the Pacific War was more of a side show in comparison, speaking purely geopolitically.

But my views on the above are irrelevent to the real reason why I disagree with you. SH4 is a game, regardless what the manual says. War isn't a game, far from it. So to see SH4 as some form of iconic effigy for the Pacific War is quite worrying, and is detrimental to the sacrifices made by all sides during the war.

SH4 is simply a game, why not mod it for the Atlantic ? Why not mod it for WWI as well while we're at it ? Its just a game, its essentially just a graphics engine with some parameteres in flat files...its nothing more.

:doh:

[Ducimus]

It's not the game, it's people intent behind it. It has been said by some people that, "US subs suck" or "the americans didnt do anything" or "Nothing happened in the pacific" and even seen somewhere, "I dont want to play as an american", and other such rott that makes my blood boil. Converting SH4 into Sh3, is acting on those ignorant and bigoted motives. how now your not just saying it, your acting on it. Sad to say, thats how i feel about it, and i really can't help how i feel.

[joea]

Sorry El Duci old chap but I have to strongly disagree with you here - especially the "bordelines on bigotry" bit. I'll be honest up front and say that I have little to no interest in the Pacific War and never have had. I do not see America's war with Japan in the same way I see the war in Europe. In fact I personaly think the Pacific War was more of a side show in comparison, speaking purely geopolitically.

But my views on the above are irrelevent to the real reason why I disagree with you. SH4 is a game, regardless what the manual says. War isn't a game, far from it. So to see SH4 as some form of iconic effigy for the Pacific War is quite worrying, and is detrimental to the sacrifices made by all sides during the war.

SH4 is simply a game, why not mod it for the Atlantic ? Why not mod it for WWI as well while we're at it ? Its just a game, its essentially just a graphics engine with some parameteres in flat files...its nothing more.

:doh:

Why not mod it indeed, still I hope the Pacific side of it gets the right treatment the Atlantic has. I agree about war and games.

Don't agree the Pacific was a sideshow..well yes and no. Of course "Germany First" and all that... First of all and I keep repeating this and repeating this, it was not just a war between the USA and Japan. Forgot the ANZACS or the Brits and other Commonwealth in S.E. Asia? Forgot how many millions of people in China (WWII was abig factor in China becoming Communist) Korea, the Phillipines etc. and the end of the old colonial empires. The game focuses only on US vs. Japan but the theatre is much more. If someone is more interested in ETO cool but don't be so dismissive.

[bigboywooly]

Tis called freedom of choice Ducimus

Its not rot that ppl dont want to play as the US
Tis choice

No doubt there were many that didnt buy SH3 as didnt want to play as the Germans

What you have to remember that for those in Europe the uboat war is closer to home and heart
In as much in the PTO is closer to most Americans thoughts

Were those who made Pacific Aces disrespectfull to the ubootwaffe by wanting a PTO addon ?
No - they wanted to continue in the PTO from SH1 in an upgraded game engine
Everyone has different preferences

Easy to say the uboat war has been covered and it has
But with the new graphics\mission choices and all else in SH4 its perfectly natural for ppl to want to port the Atlantic war over to " update " SH3

As previously mentioned it can only help Ubi sales

Besides
Like all mods no one forces anyone to play them

[HunterICX]

Ducimes this is the same thing happend to SH3

People saying:
''we are not going to buy/play it because we do not want to control a NAZI submarine.''

you have to see both ways here

the only thing that turns people up of getting SH3 into SH4 are the graphics and the more options people can do with the game engine.
to add more things and ofcourse the challenge

the intent of people saying ''US navy sucks, US sub are not so good, the PTO is a back cover of a book story etc etc'' is NOT the reason why Modderators are going to convert SH3 into SH4. that people who said the things above are going to play it, well we cant say to them you cant because you insult the US navy.

Now the reason why moderators want to convert sh3 into sh4 are because they can, its a big challenge and just imagine what you can learn from it (Moderating stuff) and ofcourse giving the people a chance to play both Sides in 1 game.
now the good things about it are more people will buy SH4, the ones that are in love with the atlantic maybe give the U.S navy submarines a go and maybe they are going to like it? thats not bad is it.

another fun thing , in GWX we have the Gato sub as a AI, now imagine that beeing you controlling the Gato and meet german merchants and submarines...could be fun?

and another thing it makes the SH picture complete.
(still we are going to miss the UK Subs, Russian and the IJN subs that are playable)

wait, didnt the IJN had a Type VII?
thought the crew might look a bit german..(or if its posible to mod the faces of the characters too) you can have the IJN side as a type VII

[danlisa]

This is getting as bad as the SH4 made me impotent threads.

Really, FFS, do we need to discuss this topic anymore? I'm affraid at the end of the day the modders will do what they want to do, who are we to deny them that? Of course there will be contiued calls for a merging of the two games but who is too say which is the best way to go?

I really do respect both sides of this argument/discussion and understand that there are deep feelings regarding both theaters. Maybe people should also consider the way topics like these are approached, that way peoples beliefs are not offended.

There is one point which I must agree with Ducimus on. This world would be a totally different place if America did not conduct a war on both fronts and I think if anyone can prove differently then there will be no arguments here. So what if the American Subs are not to you liking, they put them to good use & there is a need for a sim to depict this. Play the game or don't play the game, no one is forcing you.

Now, as to the question of a merged sim. Why not. Everyone benefits. However, we can't just say no or I don't think it's a good idea etc etc. Why stifle creativity? There is no reason why both theaters can't be under the same roof, in fact there is nothing but the game's code in our way.

[SilentOtto]

...is that I would love to see the atlantic and the u-boote ported to SH4. Why? Because that's what I like, and what I'm interested in. Because I have some 15 submarine books, and only one is about american subs. Because I have played maybe 8 sub sim games, and only SHI was about american subs. Do I hate americans? (well maybe :P) Of course not, it is just that I am interested in another part of history.

And to you mr. Ducimus, I respect your beliefs and personal tastes, but please do not try to impose them onto the rest of us. You are talking about "People don't want to play pacific theater", "people this", "people that". Are you against all people who disagree with you? We are all individuals, and you are getting into the personal terrains, and that, as someone already pointed, would only poison the well we all drink from.

I have my personal opinion about american pacific sub war, but I would not tell you what you have to do, so please don't tell us what we have to do.

Bottom line: It seems that many of us around here would love to have a refurbished atlantic action sub sim, yes even now that sh4 is just hot from the oven. And it seems that you don't like that. Well I am sorry but you should learn to live with it.

(And btw, I find it very poisoning that you seed here talking about anti-americanism...
please don't get us started on that, it is totally off-topic, can be harmful for our community, and we are talking about historic personal tastes here, not about right and wrong. Or do you think that all we atlantic theater lovers are nazis??? I hope not!!)

[Uber Gruber]

Al very good Danlisa, at least up untill:

This world would be a totally different place if America did not conduct a war on both fronts and I think if anyone can prove differently then there will be no arguments here.

If I was on my other hobby horse right now i'd say something along the lines of ETO outcome had already been decided by Battle of Britain (maintaining air superiority thus scuppering Axis invasion plans) and Russian Sacrifices (forced) on the Eastern Front. America's "official" involvement only helped reduce the timescale of the outcome. However, America's lend-lease involvment certainly helped Britain stave off defeat, albeit at a very expensive price which we only "officially" finished paying for a few years back. Yep, if I was on that horse I would not be convinced by your statement.

But i'm not on that horse, i'm on this one over here.....:yep:

[U-Bones]

It always bothered me a little playing the Nazi side, and the Pacific was my first love, so I have zero interest in returning to the Atlantic.

But if I ever do get a hankering, I still have GWX loaded ;) What a sweet MOD !

[clayton]

I agree. Hence two seperate boards!

Everyone get it? We have our side of the playground and you have yours! LOL

[Dowly]

@Clayton

WE GOT YOUR POINT ALREADY FFS! IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE THE SH4 CONVERSED TO ATLANTIC, IT'S HIS CALL. NOT YOURS. NOBODY FORCES YOU TO USE IT!

[thyro]

Wouldt it be nice to have a campaign that handles the atlantic theatre in sh4?

Yeah... Atlantic camp and extended please!!! :up:

Beside few German subs also operated in Pacific and Indian oceans

But also.... why not JP subs camp tooo??? and make available the biggest sub of WW2 (the one that carried seaplanes... japonese of course).

[Dowly]

Wouldt it be nice to have a campaign that handles the atlantic theatre in sh4?

Yeah... Atlantic camp and extended please!!! :up:

Beside few German subs also operated in Pacific and Indian oceans

But also.... why not JP subs camp tooo??? and make available the biggest jp sub that carried seaplanes.

Now that´s something I´d like to see in SHIV. :yep:

[Alex]

What happened to you mate, this avatar and "in the brig" ? :huh:

[clayton]

Wouldt it be nice to have a campaign that handles the atlantic theatre in sh4?

Yeah... Atlantic camp and extended please!!! :up:

Beside few German subs also operated in Pacific and Indian oceans

But also.... why not JP subs camp tooo??? and make available the biggest jp sub that carried seaplanes.

Now that´s something I´d like to see in SHIV. :yep:

Flame on!

See, doesn't it feel good to have the freedom to be able to express your point!
You SH3 guys are all the same; Your quick to stomp on anyone voicing any negitive opinion on Uboats and the Atlantic and quick to praise it in the same vein!

How's that for freedom of speech?

[Alex]

You SH3 guys are all the same; Your quick to stomp on anyone voicing any negitive opinion on Uboats and the Atlantic and quick to praise it in the same vein!

How's that for freedom of speech?

Personnally I don't care about your negative opinion. Just let us say we want an atlantic campaign for SH4, and that's all.

Thanks ! :cool:

[clayton]

I wouldn't be so damn negative if I didn't see post like this everytime I check for new mods! Again, my right! :up:

[clayton]

You SH3 guys are all the same; Your quick to stomp on anyone voicing any negitive opinion on Uboats and the Atlantic and quick to praise it in the same vein!

How's that for freedom of speech?

Personnally I don't care about your negative opinion. Just let us say we want an atlantic campaign for SH4, and that's all.

Thanks ! :cool:

BTW, ins't their a forum for just this subject? I'm not sure but I remember reading about it somewhere. You can bet your ___ that if I was posting my desire to improve SH4 and focus energy towards keeping it fleetboats specific, I would be asked why I was posting it there! Also, I'm positive we can have a RFB or FTT mod that equals GWX if we just focus on that...

[Alex]

You talk about freedom of speech.... But here, aren't you the one who doesn't let us speak about what we want to have for this game (an atlantic campaign) ? :hmm:

That would be nice if you SH4 players can understand we SH3 players just keep playing SH3 cause we like it, that's all. :-?
I (and the majority of SH3 players) have never said I don't like american subs. :-?
I don't like this war between SH4 players "hey guys here is the new game, let's all play it now" and SH3 players "we like this game and are not yet bored of uboats so let us play SH3, we'll not give up this game". :dead:

[clayton]

Honestly, I don't like it either

I hope when a good patch comes out you all will buy it and help us with some of these issues. You've got a couple of years of knowledge that would be invaluable

[Kpt. Lehmann]

1) I am a patriotic American. I have served seven years in our Army. Both of my Grandfathers served in WWII and some of their brothers (my great Uncles) served in the U.S. Navy in the Pacific theater... notably on the U.S.S. Enterprise.

I also have friends risking their lives in Iraq.

If for instance the Congolese Republic decided to invade the U.S. I'm not confused as to which side I'd fight on.

2) This has NOTHING to do with the idea of being able to visit BOTH theaters (ala IL-2 Complete edition!!!!!) within the same simulator.

3) I think American subs are cool too.

4) I LIKE ALL DIESEL SUBS... and I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY!!! WHO CARES!!!

5) I thought that this place was supposed to be about the advancement of submarine simulations... and dare I say inspite of our differences... the "Brotherhood of Submariners!" (You know... Remember how you felt for the Russian sailors when the Kursk went down??? Did ya forget already???) The attitudes of a few individuals here suck... trying to define where one backyard ends and another begins. Look past your own nose!

6) Eventually I hope to skipper British, Italian, Russian, Japanese, and LEICHENSTEINIAN SUBS because it leads to education and enables one to see the WHOLE picture. Dragging nationalism into matters of SIMULATION is absolutely pointless and the "Church of SH4" individuals telling off the "SH3 Mobsters" is only peeing in the swimming pool. You are only shooting yourselves in both feet anyway. Thats right! Keep on shooing away experienced modding talent that might eventually be brought to bear on items that YOU are interested in.

7) Whether it is U-boats or British S-CLass subs that were represented by SH3... porting these things to SH4 is an eventuality... NOT a question mark. Accept it. It will happen whether or not you keep whining.

8) You can choose to assist, observe, or interfere... It doesn't matter... because some of us can see what this might mean for the Silent Hunter series 10 years from now... when our current PC's are snails... and our new PC's... will let you smell the deisel. Besides, even from a business standpoint, the Silent Hunter Series will need to expand to make money... and to keep fueling ALL our needs to go to sea.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Now, me and my "gynormous ego" have better things to do than deal with further myopic concepts presented on this thread. We've got work to do.

[Ducimus]

Personnally I don't care about your negative opinion. Just let us say we want an atlantic campaign for SH4, and that's all.
:

Truthfully i could care less how and what people mod.

My stance is a bit different.

With SH3, i didnt want another atlantic game. I wanted a game about the pacific. Instead of closing my mind to it, i embrassed it. I read and learned all that i could on the subject. I afforded the history behind it all the respect it deserved, - probably to an extreme, and have a much greater appreciation for that chapter in History that Sh3 lionizes. But now that the table is turned around to the other theater, the other submarine service, its dishearting to see that many folks here are unable, or unwilling to do the same. I guess i misjudged some people here. I thought they were more open minded. Cie la vie.

[Alex]

@ Ducimus : I completely understand what you mean. You're american, you did not have to like SH3 or to learn things about this game cause it's the atlantic campaign, but you did, and you just want us to do the same, yes :). That's normal, and legitimate ;).
I can't pretend to be more open-minded than anyone else, I just want to say I bought SH4 and did not play it yet cause my comp does not have the specs to handle this game (:88) :rotfl:), but as soon as I have a new one, I'll give as much interest to this next SH opus as I gave to SH3 ! :D ;)

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Aw, and by the way, it's "c'est la vie". :up:

[Ducimus]

Thanks for the understanding Alex. I was starting to think i was completely crazy. (Im still a nutjub, just not a total one :88) )

[Alex]

:rotfl: lol
Well, I just like to discover new things, just like you with the atlantic campaign.
For the moment I still know nothing about this side of the war (pacific), that's why I'm eagerly awaiting a new comp. :88)
Hopefully I'll have it in a few months :roll:, so I have to search for some books dealing with WW2 in the pacific and american subs to be ready to play the game. :cool:

Time to go to bed for me now :88) 2:33AM here
See you tomorrow ! http://yelims2.free.fr/DoDo/Dodo46.gif

[clayton]

1) I am a patriotic American. I have served seven years in our Army. Both of my Grandfathers served in WWII and some of their brothers (my great Uncles) served in the U.S. Navy in the Pacific theater... notably on the U.S.S. Enterprise.

I also have friends risking their lives in Iraq.

If for instance the Congolese Republic decided to invade the U.S. I'm not confused as to which side I'd fight on.

2) This has NOTHING to do with the idea of being able to visit BOTH theaters (ala IL-2 Complete edition!!!!!) within the same simulator.

3) I think American subs are cool too.

4) I LIKE ALL DIESEL SUBS... and I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY!!! WHO CARES!!!

5) I thought that this place was supposed to be about the advancement of submarine simulations... and dare I say inspite of our differences... the "Brotherhood of Submariners!" (You know... Remember how you felt for the Russian sailors when the Kursk went down??? Did ya forget already???) The attitudes of a few individuals here suck... trying to define where one backyard ends and another begins. Look past your own nose!

6) Eventually I hope to skipper British, Italian, Russian, Japanese, and LEICHENSTEINIAN SUBS because it leads to education and enables one to see the WHOLE picture. Dragging nationalism into matters of SIMULATION is absolutely pointless and the "Church of SH4" individuals telling off the "SH3 Mobsters" is only peeing in the swimming pool. You are only shooting yourselves in both feet anyway. Thats right! Keep on shooing away experienced modding talent that might eventually be brought to bear on items that YOU are interested in.

7) Whether it is U-boats or British S-CLass subs that were represented by SH3... porting these things to SH4 is an eventuality... NOT a question mark. Accept it. It will happen whether or not you keep whining.

8) You can choose to assist, observe, or interfere... It doesn't matter... because some of us can see what this might mean for the Silent Hunter series 10 years from now... when our current PC's are snails... and our new PC's... will let you smell the deisel. Besides, even from a business standpoint, the Silent Hunter Series will need to expand to make money... and to keep fueling ALL our needs to go to sea.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Now, me and my "gynormous ego" have better things to do than deal with further myopic concepts presented on this thread. We've got work to do.

Damn Lehmann, I was actually being sincere in my last post. Why did you have to mess it up!

I'm sorry man, I cant help it, your narcissism (you might have to look that one up) just gets me going! :rotfl:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Damn Lehmann, I was actually being sincere in my last post. Why did you have to mess it up!

I'm sorry man, I cant help it, your narcissism (you might have to look that one up) just gets me going! :rotfl:

Ohhh stop it. Yer hurtin' mah feelins.

Its not about me... or GWX. LOL, it never has been. Its about pushing the simulator as far as it can go... so that "so-and-so" doesn't get bored with the Atlantic... or U-boats, Gatos, ETO/PTO or whatever.

Open your tiny head and think about where it could go!

Whoever steers the ship doesn't really matter... as long as the destination is reached. Everything else is useless twaddle.

The idea serves you and everyone else here.

I'd say that it was anything but a narcissistic concept.

I'm willing to bet that somewhere... there is German who is going to fix a problem with an American sub in SH4... that goes into a mod that you and others eventually use.

[clayton]

Damn Lehmann, I was actually being sincere in my last post. Why did you have to mess it up!

I'm sorry man, I cant help it, your narcissism (you might have to look that one up) just gets me going! :rotfl:

Ohhh stop it. Yer hurtin' mah feelins.

Its not about me... or GWX. LOL, it never has been. Its about pushing the simulator as far as it can go... so that "so-and-so" doesn't get bored with the Atlantic... or U-boats, Gatos, ETO/PTO or whatever.

Open your tiny head and think about where it could go!

Whoever steers the ship doesn't really matter... as long as the destination is reached. Everything else is useless twaddle.

The idea serves you and everyone else here.

I'd say that it was anything but a narcissistic concept.

I'm willing to bet that somewhere... there is German who is going to fix a problem with an American sub in SH4... that goes into a mod that you and others eventually use.

Hey man, you dig uboats. Thats great! Go Deutschland!!! What a waste though, that you and your crew are going to spend an enormous amount of time and energy porting uboats and the Atlantic theatre into SH4 when you have a perfect vehicle in SH3. Granted the water is not as pretty, but thats not what GWX is about. Right? But to each there own. Its your right. And, it's your right to keep coming over here and telling it to us.

[Jams79]

Why is that a waste? SHIV has different better capabilities than SH3 in a lot of areas and the graphics are much improved. Not to mention the fact that a lot of new members might not have SH3 so it's openning a whole new door for them. Also if GWX is anything to go by then I'm guessing that Kpt and his friends won't just be adding ETO but working to improve gameplay globally much like the SHIV modders are already doing.

Every little helps.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Damn Lehmann, I was actually being sincere in my last post. Why did you have to mess it up!

I'm sorry man, I cant help it, your narcissism (you might have to look that one up) just gets me going! :rotfl:

Ohhh stop it. Yer hurtin' mah feelins.

Its not about me... or GWX. LOL, it never has been. Its about pushing the simulator as far as it can go... so that "so-and-so" doesn't get bored with the Atlantic... or U-boats, Gatos, ETO/PTO or whatever.

Open your tiny head and think about where it could go!

Whoever steers the ship doesn't really matter... as long as the destination is reached. Everything else is useless twaddle.

The idea serves you and everyone else here.

I'd say that it was anything but a narcissistic concept.

I'm willing to bet that somewhere... there is German who is going to fix a problem with an American sub in SH4... that goes into a mod that you and others eventually use.

Hey man, you dig uboats. Thats great! Go Deutschland!!! What a waste though, that you and your crew are going to spend an enormous amount of time and energy porting uboats and the Atlantic theatre into SH4 when you have a perfect vehicle in SH3. Granted the water is not as pretty, but thats not what GWX is about. Right? But to each there own. Its your right. And, it's your right to keep coming over here and telling it to us.

Nah Clayton, lets just say that we like the pretty water, considering we were already talking about how cool it looked prior to the release of SH4 in the GWX forum.

Actually, you know we decided to look at transferring things to the SH4 platform solely to irritate you.:rotfl:

PS: I like your new sig addenda "Church of SH4." Its nice to know my words will be remembered wherever you post LOL.:cool:

Did ya think of that when you were looking up the definition of myopia?:p

[clayton]

Why is that a waste? SHIV has different better capabilities than SH3 in a lot of areas and the graphics are much improved. Not to mention the fact that a lot of new members might not have SH3 so it's openning a whole new door for them. Also if GWX is anything to go by then I'm guessing that Kpt and his friends won't just be adding ETO but working to improve gameplay globally much like the SHIV modders are already doing.

Every little helps.

Agreed!

I'm positive Lehmann's crew will do wonderful work with SH4.

[clayton]

Damn Lehmann, I was actually being sincere in my last post. Why did you have to mess it up!

I'm sorry man, I cant help it, your narcissism (you might have to look that one up) just gets me going! :rotfl:

Ohhh stop it. Yer hurtin' mah feelins.

Its not about me... or GWX. LOL, it never has been. Its about pushing the simulator as far as it can go... so that "so-and-so" doesn't get bored with the Atlantic... or U-boats, Gatos, ETO/PTO or whatever.

Open your tiny head and think about where it could go!

Whoever steers the ship doesn't really matter... as long as the destination is reached. Everything else is useless twaddle.

The idea serves you and everyone else here.

I'd say that it was anything but a narcissistic concept.

I'm willing to bet that somewhere... there is German who is going to fix a problem with an American sub in SH4... that goes into a mod that you and others eventually use.

Hey man, you dig uboats. Thats great! Go Deutschland!!! What a waste though, that you and your crew are going to spend an enormous amount of time and energy porting uboats and the Atlantic theatre into SH4 when you have a perfect vehicle in SH3. Granted the water is not as pretty, but thats not what GWX is about. Right? But to each there own. Its your right. And, it's your right to keep coming over here and telling it to us.

Nah Clayton, lets just say that we like the pretty water, considering we were already talking about how cool it looked prior to the release of SH4 in the GWX forum.

Actually, you know we decided to look at transferring things to the SH4 platform solely to irritate you.:rotfl:

PS: I like your new sig addenda "Church of SH4." Its nice to know my words will be remembered wherever you post LOL.:cool:

Did ya think of that when you were looking up the definition of myopia?:p

Lehmann your brilliant!

To think you would actually port something over just for my sake...

Wait a minute, you guys aren't going to wait until Berry finishes before you do something...:rotfl:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Damn Lehmann, I was actually being sincere in my last post. Why did you have to mess it up!

I'm sorry man, I cant help it, your narcissism (you might have to look that one up) just gets me going! :rotfl:

Ohhh stop it. Yer hurtin' mah feelins.

Its not about me... or GWX. LOL, it never has been. Its about pushing the simulator as far as it can go... so that "so-and-so" doesn't get bored with the Atlantic... or U-boats, Gatos, ETO/PTO or whatever.

Open your tiny head and think about where it could go!

Whoever steers the ship doesn't really matter... as long as the destination is reached. Everything else is useless twaddle.

The idea serves you and everyone else here.

I'd say that it was anything but a narcissistic concept.

I'm willing to bet that somewhere... there is German who is going to fix a problem with an American sub in SH4... that goes into a mod that you and others eventually use.

Hey man, you dig uboats. Thats great! Go Deutschland!!! What a waste though, that you and your crew are going to spend an enormous amount of time and energy porting uboats and the Atlantic theatre into SH4 when you have a perfect vehicle in SH3. Granted the water is not as pretty, but thats not what GWX is about. Right? But to each there own. Its your right. And, it's your right to keep coming over here and telling it to us.

Nah Clayton, lets just say that we like the pretty water, considering we were already talking about how cool it looked prior to the release of SH4 in the GWX forum.

Actually, you know we decided to look at transferring things to the SH4 platform solely to irritate you.:rotfl:

PS: I like your new sig addenda "Church of SH4." Its nice to know my words will be remembered wherever you post LOL.:cool:

Did ya think of that when you were looking up the definition of myopia?:p

Lehmann your brilliant!

To think you would actually port something over just for my sake...

Wait a minute, you guys aren't going to wait until Berry finishes before you do something...:rotfl:

Awww... Looky there ... zee girlyman try to get my goat! Oh no! :o

I'd ask you to qualify such a weak thing to say but OOOPS... you weren't there!!! Ergo you are unqualified to speak beyond what you think happened.

Make sure you get help to come back on that accusation.:D :D :D

Otherwise, http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/KptLehmann/4369xm91.jpg:p

Meanwhile back on the ranch we will be soiling your church.

[Mush Martin]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Shovels anyone?:cool:

[Mush Martin]

I Believe there is an awful lot of room in two oceans and I look forward
to a two ocean multi nation game.(with destructable shore facilities)

[clayton]

Otherwise, http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/KptLehmann/4369xm91.jpg:p

Meanwhile back on the ranch we will be soiling your church.





I've already won

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Otherwise, http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/KptLehmann/4369xm91.jpg:p

Meanwhile back on the ranch we will be soiling your church.





I've already won

You mean that this was a battle of wills? :|\\

I didn't feel anything. Could we do it again sometime? I wasn't ready for it.:rotfl:

[Reece]

Settle down Girls!:nope: Just Curtsy and let it go!:yep:

[Jams79]

Part of me is hoping a Mod locks this thread before it goes too far. But then the rest of me is morbidly cuious as to where it'll go next.

[mr chris]

Il have a Shovel Kpt. I best be watched or i might do someone a mischief with it;):dead:

[Reece]

Not the Head, please, not the head!:88)

[Gizzmoe]

Thread closed. Too many of dem negative waves in here... :)