Why does Subsim Allow "Fantasy Mods" to be posted??

[Captain_Jack]

So now we have Deck Gun Mods that fire like machine Guns and Torpedo Mods that are as powerful as nukes. So where does Subsim draw the line on what gets posted on the site? Are there any standards at all? Anything Goes?

Photon Torpedoes maybe?

The blurb at the bottom of the opening page states the site is dedicated to submarine simulations. But to post mods like the ones above causes the site to lose its credibility in my opinion....

Ok..fire away..

[akdavis]

I suggest you remove all clothing now so that it does not melt and fuse to your skin.

[CyberOps]

i think veryone should decide for himself how he wants to play the game, so fantasy mods as you put it shoudl definatly be allowed here so that people can play the game the way they want and if they want to have automated machine guns then they can.

It's everyones freedom and right to play the way they want.

So please keep the fantasy mods coming :)

[Gizzmoe]

Are there any standards at all? Anything Goes?
There are no standards here, anything goes. People are free to play the game any way they want.

[Von Manteuffel]

Chacun a son gout. I think it's a huge strength of Subsim that it can and does cater for all, from the hard-line 100% realists to the guys who want to fire a single torpedo, hit every time and watch a battleship explode. Live and let live, I say - Most of us fall somewhere between the two, but here all share the spirit of mutual help and support, whatever our game-playing preferences.

[Cpt Haddock]

Well said fellow Bean :rock:

[Ducimus]

The orginal post was a joke, right?

[Beery]

So now we have Deck Gun Mods that fire like machine Guns and Torpedo Mods that are as powerful as nukes. So where does Subsim draw the line on what gets posted on the site? Are there any standards at all? Anything Goes?

I'm probably going to be one of a very small minority that doesn't respond negatively to your post. I agree with you 100% in terms of your desire to see only simulation stuff here. I'd like that too. But on the other hand, policing the borderline would be next to impossible, as one person's realistic mod is another's outright fantasy.

Anyway, from my perspective as a modder, I often find that an outrageous fantasy mod will often point me in the right direction to enable me to mod things realistically. I found this to be the case just yesterday when I found a mod by (I think) Ducimus, which made deck guns into veritable machine-cannons. I used the info I found in there to enable me to restrict deck gun reloads to a realistic speed. Without Ducimus's vile scheme to turn the game into an arcade massacre-fest I'd have found it much harder to find the necessary info to mod the game the way I want it.

So, as in religion, it seems even evil mods :arrgh!: exist to serve good.

[AVGWarhawk]

So now we have Deck Gun Mods that fire like machine Guns and Torpedo Mods that are as powerful as nukes. So where does Subsim draw the line on what gets posted on the site? Are there any standards at all? Anything Goes?

Photon Torpedoes maybe?

The blurb at the bottom of the opening page states the site is dedicated to submarine simulations. But to post mods like the ones above causes the site to lose its credibility in my opinion....

Ok..fire away..

Last time I checked the Gestopo was not lurking about to find The Clan of the Crazy Mods:doh: . The line is drawn at flaming, vulgarity, in appropriate posts. We keep it civil and do not wish to squash creativity all be it a fantasy super-submarine. To each their own.

[Lorgar]

I like som eof the realism mods but now and again i like to just blow the crap out of things

this site offers the best of both worlds

[Ducimus]

Anyway, from my perspective as a modder, I often find that an outrageous fantasy mod will often point me in the right direction to enable me to mod things realistically. I found this to be the case just yesterday when I found a mod by (I think) Ducimus, which made deck guns into veritable machine-cannons. I used the info I found in there to enable me to restrict deck gun reloads to a realistic speed. Without Ducimus's vile scheme to turn the game into an arcade massacre-fest I'd have found it much harder to find the necessary info to mod the game the way I want it.


Your barking up the wrong tree. I never touched the deck gun. Nor would i ever do that to the deck gun. I can already tell were gonna be buttin heads in the future. If anything im going to lower the shell damage, *slighly* increase loading time, and increase flooding time on ships. But i wont do it to the extreme that you will. My philosophy has always been to make a challenging submarine game. What is historically accurate is not always challenging, or always fun.

Hence I do make compromises in historical accuracy, but only when i feel its unavoidable to the the restrictions the game places upon you. A big one being the short visible range. If i could have a 16KM visual distance, alot of the changes ive made in my mod pack i wouldnt have made at all. As alot of compromises i felt compelled to make based on limitations that made certain aspects of the game highly annoying for want of a better term. In sum, you have no idea what ive been doing for mods.



As for "fantasy" mods. While i dont actively use them, they do have their place. Sometimes it's just fun to break the rules and do something really crazy. But again, i wouldn't advertise, nor use them for normal play. I think going really deep is a cheat. Nuclear torpedo/deck guns is a cheat, Hell, i feel the external camera is a bloody cheat. But that doesnt mean i should admonish "fantasy" mods for being posted. It's not my buisness to tell, let alone insinute, how other's should play a video game.

[CaptainCox]

Actually this type of game/sim gets very boring fast with "cheats" I used that x2 torpedo mod or what ever its called (just to see if the damage graphics showed every time, which it didn't) and it does get to easy and plain boring after a while. But if ppl are creative and find stuff to tweak, no prob. Modding is a little bit addictive I must say, and if you find some idea or concept and decides to crack that prob no matter what...well I guess a lot of you guys know what i mean...its like cursed...can't bloody stop until U cracked that prob, its like that for me anyway.

[shmall]

Well at least they should change their name to "SUBARCADE", that would suit this place better I feel.....lol ;)


1000 round automatic 4/5" deck guns oin 1940's......get a grip please :( :( :( :(
What do we get next, 50 knot subs that dive to 2500'?
maybe you lot would prefer a "STINGRAY" game instead...lol ;)



Simon

[Beery]

Your barking up the wrong tree. I never touched the deck gun. Nor would i ever do that to the deck gun. I can already tell were gonna be buttin heads in the future.

Maybe. Clearly you take my humourous posts way too seriously. The fact that I thought the mod was yours wasn't an accusation, nor was it meant to annoy anyone. I just thought it was your mod. I didn't realise I would need to do serious research before posting a little joke.

Lighten up dude. Not everything needs to be a fight. :lol:

If you really find me annoying, for goodness sake put me on 'ignore'. If you annoy me too much I'll do the same for you. There's no reason for anyone on this forum to get to the point where 'butting heads' is necessary.

[ParaB]

Maybe. Clearly you take my humourous posts way too seriously. The fact that I thought the mod was yours wasn't an accusation, nor was it meant to annoy anyone. I just thought it was your mod. I didn't realise I would need to do serious research before posting a little joke.

Lighten up dude. Not everything needs to be a fight. :lol:

If you really find me annoying, for goodness sake put me on 'ignore'. If you annoy me too much I'll do the same for you. There's no reason for anyone on this forum to get to the point where 'butting heads' is necessary.
I didn't think your post was 'humorous' as well Beery, but more of a slightly-disguised flame. Ducimus was IMO absolutely right to clarify this.

I sometimes think that you have a serious attitude problem, because from time to time you make yourself look extremely arrogant.

Just my 2 cents...

[Mush Martin]

Puritans and Pariahs Coexist here, simple fact. Some among us
like to play at 1 tc and if you dont should you be eligible to
pass judgement on how others play, some will play as purists
there whole career some will play as pariahs there whole career
some will find a balance between the two. but puritan or pariah
when they play it and see it. there is a good chance a large
number of all will educate themselves a little on the history
of the campaign and so by preserving the great names.

I am an avid fan and admirer of the Puritan and historically detailed work
of the GWX team in sh3 land over there and I over there I think enjoy
a little notoriety as a pariah due to one of my mods.

I am a student of history first and a gamer second. in my opinion
the work of the purists which Id assume you to be, judging from
your opener, the work of the purists is important in ways
a little beyond just ordinary gaming. These Gaming forums
unlike others have a history that we can refer back to
and examine and what the puritan work of GWX did wasnt
to just mod sh3 it was to create within the framework
of of UBI's Creation a type of ever refined and improved
Living history of a type that no book lecture or film
doc or drama can or ever could deliver the work of
the puritans is More worthwhile I believe in the grand
scheme of things than is currently realized by most gamers.

So that established pariahs learn skills that are usefull too
My work on what must to many seem to be an abomination
as a fun learning project has taught me skills that make
me usefull in other more historically pure projects.

It is most regrettable that you feel everyone should have
your own preferences, I dont wish to impose mine on
you and I hope that if your way of thinking stands here
at subsim as a rule some day in the future that the
1 TC guys are gentle with you.

lets not forget that what we do here is play games
not make history, we mimic it in a game, and well
naturally under that circumstance a few Historian
types are going to mix it up with a few gaming types
but I think tolerance and understanding as well
as manners are all conducive to an ammicable
climate here at subsim.

Bless you for coming out in public Captain Jack
the truth is I dont resent your style of play
or for that matter even your expressed opinion
I just mind intolerance.

In closing Subsim Is dedcated in the main to submarine
simulations not the preservation of any single type
of modder or the exclusion of anyother, Im fairly confident
that what subsim admins do besides promote subsims
is promote community, I dont feel your dig at subsim
was fair or well reasoned.

Just my opinion jack.
MM

[Mylander]

I thought Beery's quote was pretty damn funny, and I took it to be totally tongue-in-cheek, which is, I think, exactly how he meant it.

I have a lot of respect for both of you guys, and the work you have done here on subsim. Let's remember it's easy to miscommunicate on a forum with no facial expressions, body language, etc... Smilies notwithstanding :D .

"Vile scheme" indeed... :rotfl: And the autocannon thingy was actually someone else's mod, wasn't it?

Peace out,

Mylander

[perisher]

While I have a lot of sympathy with the original post, there is space for everyone here. We all play these games for our own reasons and our own enjoyment. I enjoy playing with a lot of historical accuracy, some gamers find that too boring, while I find auto-deck guns and nuke torpedoes to be too silly. This community allows us all to get the best out these games in the ways that we individually find most satisfying and long may it remain that way.

[Beery]

I didn't think your post was 'humorous' as well Beery, but more of a slightly-disguised flame....

Fair enough. I guess that pirate character smiley is taken to be completely serious - or combative. I'll have to avoid using it in future.

Honestly! :roll:

I'll tell you what, I'll just save myself some time and place all the folks with no sense of humour (or at least those who don't appreciate mine) on ignore. That ought to fix things at least from my end. You guys will have to do the same for me so that you're not inconvenienced by my arrogance or my trolling. :huh:

This site's ignore feature is a great thing. It's a pity some people prefer to allow others to annoy them rather than use it. Makes me wonder whether some folks prefer to play the victim. ;)

[thyro]

AArrrrggghhhh!!! Enough of this....

Can I have a NUKE that fire upwards like a missile to clear the 4 DDS that are on top of me (right now!)?

Manila dock complex... sea plane and all ships destroyed without auto-cannons/nukes... just torps, original shells, and friendly fire :lol:


My sub has now 2 holes for sharks to swim in/out, 2 compartments flooded, 6 dead sailors, 10% batts left and less than 6h of air left. What are the changes to get out of this sea bed at 210ft deep?

The changes are ... good... I'll not lose my sub after 3 days (yeah 3 days real time) batteling in Manila :damn:

if US Navy had me back in 1942 I would had ended the war faster! :rotfl:

this 3 days mission is :rock:

[perisher]

I'm a 100% reality man. I play the game in my cellar, which I access by a vertical ladder. I have trays of diesel and shale oil on the floor, so that I get the right smell. I run the game in real time. During a patrol I live on the food that I originally took down into the cellar with me. Oh, and I grow a beard. For recreation I have one DVD of a 1940s movie to watch over and over again. When I take damage my wife opens the cellar hatch and turns the garden hose on me.

I want to get an ice creme machine but I need to find out which classes of boat actually had them. :-j

[bigboywooly]

AArrrrggghhhh!!! Enough of this....

Can I have a NUKE that fire upwards like a missile to clear the 4 DDS that are on top of me (right now!)?

Manila dock complex... sea plane and all ships destroyed without auto-cannons/nukes... just torps, original shells, and friendly fire :lol:


My sub has now 2 holes for sharks to swim in/out, 2 compartments flooded, 6 dead sailors, 10% batts left and less than 6h of air left. What are the changes to get out of this sea bed at 210ft deep?

The changes are ... good... I'll not lose my sub after 3 days (yeah 3 days real time) batteling in Manila :damn:

if US Navy had me back in 1942 I would had ended the war faster! :rotfl:

this 3 days mission is :rock:

:hmm:

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7164/sh3img17112006132351640bu5.jpg

[Mush Martin]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Whatever floats your boat, err sub I mean. It is all about choice in the end:up:

Yeah I wish I had the time and patience to play at 100% or not use mods, but I don't and will play as I choose in the end:yep:

In the end my hats off to all who have made this game better by their modding, however it makes the game.

RDP

[nvdrifter]

So now we have Deck Gun Mods that fire like machine Guns and Torpedo Mods that are as powerful as nukes. So where does Subsim draw the line on what gets posted on the site? Are there any standards at all? Anything Goes?

Photon Torpedoes maybe?

The blurb at the bottom of the opening page states the site is dedicated to submarine simulations. But to post mods like the ones above causes the site to lose its credibility in my opinion....

Ok..fire away..
Well Jack, the point is that no one is forcing you or anyone else to use these 'fantasy' mods. Do you believe people shouldn't have choices? I despise communism/fascism. :nope: And regarding realism.. exactly what is realisitic and what isn't. That in itself is a subjective argument. I am the one who recently made and released the Automatic Deck Guns v1.0 mod. I think it's an outrageous, far out, ridiculously fun as hell mod. But personally, I don't use it. But I made it to give players choices. Freedom of choice... do you understand the meaning and importance of these three words? Maybe not. :roll:

[TDK1044]

I think it's really very subjective, and in the end who is harmed by a fantasy mod?

Someone who plays the game at 100 percent reality, may also have a 10 year old son who likes to see more powerful torpedo explosions and brighter torpedo wakes. It's all relative.

[thyro]

AArrrrggghhhh!!! Enough of this....

Can I have a NUKE that fire upwards like a missile to clear the 4 DDS that are on top of me (right now!)?

Manila dock complex... sea plane and all ships destroyed without auto-cannons/nukes... just torps, original shells, and friendly fire :lol:


My sub has now 2 holes for sharks to swim in/out, 2 compartments flooded, 6 dead sailors, 10% batts left and less than 6h of air left. What are the changes to get out of this sea bed at 210ft deep?

The changes are ... good... I'll not lose my sub after 3 days (yeah 3 days real time) batteling in Manila :damn:

if US Navy had me back in 1942 I would had ended the war faster! :rotfl:

this 3 days mission is :rock:
:hmm:

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7164/sh3img17112006132351640bu5.jpg

:o

Bloody hell... I need a couple of above missiles in my Gato sub...:up:... for next time.

The DDs gave up after dropping all their rocks on top of my sub for 2 long hours. Now another real day or so to dock. :damn:

Can't we have a Sub-Carrier in the game... that grab the sub and teleport into the dock? :rotfl:

[bigboywooly]

Tis not photoshopped either
Its a real ingame shot

[clayton]

So now we have Deck Gun Mods that fire like machine Guns and Torpedo Mods that are as powerful as nukes. So where does Subsim draw the line on what gets posted on the site? Are there any standards at all? Anything Goes?

Photon Torpedoes maybe?

The blurb at the bottom of the opening page states the site is dedicated to submarine simulations. But to post mods like the ones above causes the site to lose its credibility in my opinion....

Ok..fire away..

Why?

Because were not respectful enough to our SH3 brothers, and deserve to be 'spanked' by stupid mods once in a while! :rotfl:

[Ducimus]

Your barking up the wrong tree. I never touched the deck gun. Nor would i ever do that to the deck gun. I can already tell were gonna be buttin heads in the future.

Maybe. Clearly you take my humourous posts way too seriously. The fact that I thought the mod was yours wasn't an accusation, nor was it meant to annoy anyone


I didnt find it humorous. I found it exactly as presented. A deliberate, jab at myself. Ive been around here waay too long, and put up with waaaay to much BS to not recongize those subtle punch's when their swung in my direction.

[clayton]

Maybe. Clearly you take my humourous posts way too seriously. The fact that I thought the mod was yours wasn't an accusation, nor was it meant to annoy anyone. I just thought it was your mod. I didn't realise I would need to do serious research before posting a little joke.

Lighten up dude. Not everything needs to be a fight. :lol:

If you really find me annoying, for goodness sake put me on 'ignore'. If you annoy me too much I'll do the same for you. There's no reason for anyone on this forum to get to the point where 'butting heads' is necessary.
I didn't think your post was 'humorous' as well Beery, but more of a slightly-disguised flame. Ducimus was IMO absolutely right to clarify this.

I sometimes think that you have a serious attitude problem, because from time to time you make yourself look extremely arrogant.

Just my 2 cents...

Who told you to open your mouth?

How's that for arrogant! LOL

*EDIT*
I'm sorry man, it's just when I see a fanboy post, I start bi**h-slapping!

[Vonsteel]

CLOSE THE god damn thread before someone gets REAL upset packs there bag and takes there bat/ball/trainset home.. I think this thread need not linger here anymore.

And for the folks that are taking direct offence at peeps comments etc.. You DO know you can PM them right??? Thats what that option is there for.. Jesus LOL

CHEERS!

[nvdrifter]

CLOSE THE god damn thread before someone gets REAL upset packs there bag and takes there bat/ball/trainset home.. I think this thread need not linger here anymore.

And for the folks that are taking direct offence at peeps comments etc.. You DO know you can PM them right??? Thats what that option is there for.. Jesus LOL

CHEERS! The original poster was kind of asking for it when he posted a ridiculous topic like this. What did you expect? I think this is a good thread because it exposes the realism nazis in this forum and shows them for what they really are.

[clayton]

CLOSE THE god damn thread before someone gets REAL upset packs there bag and takes there bat/ball/trainset home.. I think this thread need not linger here anymore.

And for the folks that are taking direct offence at peeps comments etc.. You DO know you can PM them right??? Thats what that option is there for.. Jesus LOL

CHEERS! The original poster was kind of asking for it when he posted a ridiculous topic like this. What did you expect? I think this is a good thread because it exposes the realism nazis in this forum and shows them for what they really are.

I agree! There's some sh$t folks need to get of their chest. I'll start:

What's a realism Nazi, and how does one become one?

[Beery]

Hi, I'm Beery, proud "realism nazi", although I've never used Zyklon B on six million arcade fans, nor have I annexed Poland.

Just pointing out that using the word 'nazi' to label fellow forum members is just a little over the top. Just a little. I thought it was common knowledge that comparing people to nazis was indecent. Now if I was a mass murderer, maybe the label would be deserved, but all I am is a fan of realism. Let's get some perspective. Heck, I don't agree with your gaming philosophy, but I don't compare you to Stalin. If I did I reckon I'd have to be a real idiot, because not only would such nonsense seek to dehumanize you, it would also trivialize the very real and horrifying crimes of Stalin.

What if I was Jewish? What if I had relatives die in a nazi concentration camp? You can't just throw those names around whenever it suits you. To some people naziism was no joke. I've seen people banned from forums for doing what you're doing here. Character assassination is not at all cool.

So let's drop the silly namecalling shall we?

Again, I fear some people are taking this game waaaay too seriously. It's a simulation of WW2 submarine combat. The fate of Western Civilization and the lives of billions does not hang on how people choose to play it.

[Gizzmoe]

Thread closed, before it gets even sillier.