[REQ] Map Insert mod for Nav Screen

[Gildor]

Seeing as I bought SH4 in Canada, I did not get any stuff with the purchase other than a brief manual and the game DVD. There was no fold-out map.

Is there a way to get a map insert that you can drag down to look at like in SH3 for the SH4 map? I have never even seen the map yet but from what I hear, it has aircraft ranges, shipping routes, etc.

[Dustyboats]

If its a help to you I can send you an attachment in an e-mail of the SH4 Chart..need your e-mail though and promise I will self destruct on reciept!!! ...Dusty UK Southampton

[CyberOps]

same problem goes for me i would be very thankfull if you could email it to me to

cyberops31@gmail.com

[E.Hartmann]

I thought it came on the CD or DVD? Look on the disk.

[Gildor]

I thought it came on the CD or DVD? Look on the disk.
Ah good point...just a sec and I will check...

Nope. Nothing on DVD. This is a Canadian purchase which had nothing other than manual and DVD. It sucks.

EEEk. I have the "Village people" navy avatar...

[CyberOps]

i dont have it on the dvd either.

[HeinzS]

look in this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109549

[CyberOps]

that is not the map we are talking about.

[Gildor]

That is the map i'm looking for. It has the shipping routes, aircraft range, etc.

But I would like a copy that I can look at on my cpu or that I can drag down like we can the SH3 one in the navigation screen. It was a tab in the top left that allowed you to pull it down and look at the grids, etc.

[CyberOps]

yeah exactly that is what i mean :)

[HeinzS]

try to open the Map_Strategic.dds with Paint.

[Gildor]

try to open the Map_Strategic.dds with Paint.
Thanks anyways HeinzS, but that is not the map... That is the same map as the navigation screen.

When someone buys the game they get a nifty fold-out map. Large. With shipping routes, aircraft ranges, dates, all kinds of crap. Because I bought the game in Canada, I did not get this map.

Someone took a photo of the map and modded it so that it sits on the deak in the control room. However, this is not what I was looking for. Yes, that is the the map, but I would like to see it as draggable and viewable in the navigation screen like the Silent Hunter 3 included map was modded.

Or at least get a viewable copy from UBI or something that I can take a look at.

Thanks for the info though.

[Jungman]

That is the map i'm looking for. It has the shipping routes, aircraft range, etc.

But I would like a copy that I can look at on my cpu or that I can drag down like we can the SH3 one in the navigation screen. It was a tab in the top left that allowed you to pull it down and look at the grids, etc.

That would be cool to have that so you can see the mine fileds and trade routes, etc. Look at in game.

Canada never even got a map?? jeez Ubi.

[Gildor]

Here is a link to the SH3 mod for information: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=46146 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/../phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=46146)

And here is a screenshot from that post that shows the included map "dragged" so it can be looked at. I would figure out how to do it myself but I Don't have the map.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9996/sh3img131220051512313124ey.jpg

[CyberOps]

exactly the pullout map is what im looking for to, maybe someone can sna it or something or whatever to get it so we can print it out ?

[Dustyboats]

If its a help to you I can send you an attachment in an e-mail of the SH4 Chart..need your e-mail though and promise I will self destruct on reciept!!! ...Dusty UK Southampton

Its me back again. Been trying all evening to get this to you, but my system just will not have it. Ideas...(1) I can get it reduced, its 21"x17", and try after Easter? 920 I can post this one to the nearest and perhaps you will have better luck getting it on your system.....Incidentally there is no "drop down" as in SH3.....Sorry chaps....Dusty.

[CyberOps]

if you could post that one then it would be great, maybe upload using rapidshare ?

[Dustyboats]

if you could post that one then it would be great, maybe upload using rapidshare ?

If you are in UK phone me on 02380365204...I'll get your address and post on....Cheers ....Dusty.

[foxis]

I too am looking for that map - any way to make it more readily available as it was excluded in some territories and/or versions?

[CaptainCox]

Been looking in to this or rather putting any "movable" map in to the "main" map screen...OK managed to actually get the "movable" map to show up...that's a start...but I can't for the love of God! grab it and move it around.

This is what the code in the "menu_1024_768" .ini looks like so far.

[G31 I28]
Name=Target;NEW MAP
Type=1031;Stat bmp array
ItemID=0x31000006
ParentID=0x31000000
Pos=-700,1600,2000,1636
Color=0xFFFFFFFF
Materials=1
Display=0;No stretch
Mat 0=data/Menu/Gui/Layout/NewMap.tga
Crop 0=0,0,1,1
MatFlags=0x9
TexFmt=0x9
Drag=true
BmpState=1
NeedFocus=true
SelOne=true
IdGroup=0
StatesColors=0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF


I made it huge for test purposes in case you wonder about the size.
I guess maybe Beery could answer this as i think he was involved with the Sh3 Convoy Map or?

[CaptainCox]

WOW! this is stupid, been at this now for at least 2H... I guess i am stupid. There is something that don't work like in SH3 with this one and i can't figure it :damn:

I am sure its a super simple solution like always, but at the mo i can't see it...anybody...a clue, a trick or 2...please.

Again the code [G31 I28]
Name=Target;NEW MAP
Type=1031;Stat bmp array
ItemID=0x31000006
ParentID=0x31000000
Pos=-700,1600,2000,1636
Color=0xFFFFFFFF
Materials=1
Display=0;No stretch
Mat 0=data/Menu/Gui/Mapp.tga
Crop 0=0,0,1,1
MatFlags=0x9
TexFmt=0x9
Drag=true
BmpState=1
NeedFocus=true
SelOne=true
IdGroup=0
StatesColors=0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF

I can see the Map in game but can't move it...just so you don't have to go back a page.

[Jungman]

Comparing to what they did for SH3 Navimod, do you want to upload what you have so we can all take a look? More people working on it the better.

I do not have the NewMap.tga though, since my Graphics skills are below par.

But I can try to figure out what the differences are and maybe get a work around.:)

I need to know exactly what you did to reproduce the problem, it may not be possible to do it just like SH3 but that old command left over (tool helper icon -RetroTool Mod) from SH4 can be tied to pop back and forth between two graphics, just replace the one tga with this new overlay (position etc) and with one click you can flip it on and off. I guess. Upload what you got and I can give it a try, or you can use that idea.

[CaptainCox]

Cheers man...its a bit awkward cause of the time diff but you are absolutely right about the more the merrier...here goes (Menu.ini and a test map).
http://files.filefront.com/map_testrar/;7161219;/fileinfo.html

[Dustyboats]

Seeing as I bought SH4 in Canada, I did not get any stuff with the purchase other than a brief manual and the game DVD. There was no fold-out map.

Is there a way to get a map insert that you can drag down to look at like in SH3 for the SH4 map? I have never even seen the map yet but from what I hear, it has aircraft ranges, shipping routes, etc.

Hi Gildor. I cannot get this chart to you...my system will not take it. Sorry dear chap, but keep watching posts in SubSim. Someone weill crack the problem. Best Regadrs .....Dusty

[Gildor]

No problem. Thanks for the attempt. By the looks of it, I think this will eventually be happening.

[Jungman]

Cheers man...its a bit awkward cause of the time diff but you are absolutely right about the more the merrier...here goes (Menu.ini and a test map).
http://files.filefront.com/map_testrar/;7161219;/fileinfo.html

Juat what I thought, notice it is stuck right top by the Tool Helper Texture? That I think is th problem.

Question: Are you going to make this an alpha transparent overlay with the trade convoy routes? That MapI.dss looks rather poor...unless you are using that for a placeholder.

Next I am going to see if I can get it to flip back and forth using the original spot for the tool helper (just renaming the TGA).

[CaptainCox]

Hi man...I am still awake here...but not for long, its like 2:15 AM here :o
No that just a test map. I really appreciate anybodies input on this one as IT IS GETTING ON MY NEVERS!!! been at it for at least 5-6h today...what a waist. I hope you can look at it with fresh eyes man. If you could scan the "Game Map" please do, other wise I will do it but 1st thing on Tuesday back at work. I only wish we could find what the H..l is making this one so hard :p

EDIT: tried with the tool helper but it just breaks up the .dds in to many pieces. But again, i been at it for to long and can't see fuke all.

EDIT EDIT: OK going to bed here, if you crack it I will even make those trade routes in Photoshop in the morn...you better believe it ;)

[Jungman]

;) hehe, Ok. I am trying now. Back home now...I will give it 'mein besten'...I never sleep much...:smug:

[CaptainCox]

Morning man...did you find something?. Will eat some breakfast and get grinding on with it here.

[Jungman]

It seems you did everything correct. :o

I am now trying to add other things such as Zone lines and some other ideas.

I been working on this exclusive. With the Retro tool mod, there is a slider, 'verticle=30' type command for those tga tools.

[CaptainCox]

Yea I was also wondering if it has to do with what the zone code is holding, but where?

Example

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338 360 44 44 0 1 0x1020000 0.00666667 -0.112676 0x1020001 0 0 0 0
xxx xxx size size x x ParentID xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx ItemID x x x x

If you look at the torpedo loading menu, I mean the one at base where you drag the torp icons over in to your slots in the boat

Take a look at the code:

[G40 I7]
Name=Torpedo4_1
Type=1031;Stat bmp array
ItemID=0x40040042
ParentID=0x40040000
Pos=283,9,128,17
Zone= 713 559 128 17 0 1 0x40040000 0.690244 0.0225 0x40040042 0 0 0 0
Materials=14
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 0=0,0,-1,0.0742188
Mat 1=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 1=0,0.0742188,-1,0.0742188
Mat 2=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 2=0,0.148438,-1,0.0742188
Mat 3=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 3=0,0.222656,-1,0.0742188
Mat 4=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 4=0,0.296875,-1,0.0742188
Mat 5=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 5=0,0.371094,-1,0.0742188
Mat 6=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 6=0,0.445313,-1,0.0742188
Mat 7=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 7=0,0.519531,-1,0.0742188
Mat 8=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 8=0,0.59375,-1,0.0742188
Mat 9=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 9=0,0.667969,-1,0.0742188
Mat 10=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 10=0,0.742188,-1,0.0742188
Mat 11=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 11=0,0.816406,-1,0.0742188
Mat 12=data/menu/gui/layout/tmstor00.tga
Crop 12=0,0.890625,-1,0.0742188
Mat 13=data/menu/gui/layout/torpsh.tga
Crop 13=0,1,-1,0.59375
MatFlags=0x1
TexFmt=0x0
Drag=true

Its one of the few items that you can drag around by just pointing the mouse and click and move. You got the Clock and the radio, Gramophone as well, but I can't find Drag=true in any of those

[zAmboni]

Captain Cox

Dont wrack your brain too much on this problem. I messed around with it a bit and came to the conclusion:

It cannot be done via the menu_1024_768.ini file.

I Tried a few things that I think may have worked and they didn't. I tried to make the map a slide down map, but just like the problem with the retro navmap mod, it leaves a dead space where the map will slide down to (i.e. even with the map "hidden", the space it would slide down to would not allow the underneath navigation map to be dragged, nor would any of the tools work in that area). I think it is due to the way they have implemented things in SH4, and it has basically broken many of the things that worked so well in SH3.

I tried looking to see if there is a way to make something draggable like you can drag the chronometer or the captain's log clipboard, but didn't see anything how to do so. It seems to me that they have made the menu_1024_768.ini file a strict layout file, and any type of functioning is hard coded. (You can specify how things will look, but most of the interactions/functionality is hard coded...or hidden somewhere else in some other file).

Unless the devs release a SDK, I think that we may be SOL in this regard. It really sucks because if they don't release an SDK, many of the modding options (like we had for SH3) will be seriously limited.

[CaptainCox]

Captain Cox

Dont wrack your brain too much on this problem. I messed around with it a bit and came to the conclusion:

It cannot be done via the menu_1024_768.ini file.

I Tried a few things that I think may have worked and they didn't. I tried to make the map a slide down map, but just like the problem with the retro navmap mod, it leaves a dead space where the map will slide down to (i.e. even with the map "hidden", the space it would slide down to would not allow the underneath navigation map to be dragged, nor would any of the tools work in that area). I think it is due to the way they have implemented things in SH4, and it has basically broken many of the things that worked so well in SH3.

I tried looking to see if there is a way to make something draggable like you can drag the chronometer or the captain's log clipboard, but didn't see anything how to do so. It seems to me that they have made the menu_1024_768.ini file a strict layout file, and any type of functioning is hard coded. (You can specify how things will look, but most of the interactions/functionality is hard coded...or hidden somewhere else in some other file).

Unless the devs release a SDK, I think that we may be SOL in this regard. It really sucks because if they don't release an SDK, many of the modding options (like we had for SH3) will be seriously limited.
Cheers man! Thanks for verifying and testing this. It was really driving mad. Although there is always a way...I wonder if its possible to spot using a debugger like OLLYDBG or something. Never give up, never surrender :p

Naaa but, you are probably right, I will put this out of my head for now. Thanks for trying again man !

[Gildor]

It looks like you gents put alot of work into this. Thank you very much for the effort.

Perhaps it can be done by making a toggle to open up the map instead of having it dragged. Like pressing one of the buttons on the bottom UI, it will open up the map and close it when clicked, if you get my meaning. Or a defined key press.

Anyways, again, thanks for the time you have put into this.

[CaptainCox]

I will personally put this on the back-burner for a bit. I think we will crack it but I need a couple of days doing something else to start fresh...maybe in the coming week or so. NEVER GIVE UP NEVER SURENDER!

[zAmboni]

It looks like you gents put alot of work into this. Thank you very much for the effort.

Perhaps it can be done by making a toggle to open up the map instead of having it dragged. Like pressing one of the buttons on the bottom UI, it will open up the map and close it when clicked, if you get my meaning. Or a defined key press.

Anyways, again, thanks for the time you have put into this.That would be great....if we were able to do that :). From what I can tell you can change the way the bottom UI looks (via the menu_1024_768.ini file), but you cannot change/create a new button to do something that isn't already hard coded. Maybe there is a way to do that elsewhere, but I am not familiar with how to do it. I may give a look to the other files to see what is up, but I doubt it would be an easy thing to do (if at all possible).

[CaptainCox]

I have been looking my self blind on this "Menu" file for a couple of days now and I wonder if one must set up a "menu" group that has the main" Navmap" as a parent...looking at the watch e.g. it has Name=Page Clock
Type=1027;Menu page
ItemID=0x29000000
ParentID=0x0
Pos=0,0,1024,768
Zone= 0 768 1024 768 2 1 0x0 0.5 -0.5 0x29000000 -0.5 0.5 0 0
LoadingMode=1 before the actual graphic stuff starts. maybe one have to set this up with a a couple of "data" groups in order for it to work...only thinking loud here. Like
"Menu page"
"the graphics"
etc etc...off to bed now but maybe someone could fiddle with it ...

Like I said before NEVER GIVE UP NEVER SURENDER!