[REL] Real Medals v1.01

[fullmetaledges]

v1.01
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Changed crew awards as well as awards order.

Changes to menu.txt

5150=Medals
5151=Purple Heart
5152=Bronze Star
5153=Silver Star
5154=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5155=Navy Cross
5156=Medal of Honor

NOTES:
Since to date we have not found the file that lists the criteria for awarding the medals. I have changed the order that the medals are displayed and it seems that the game is handing out the correct medals for the correct reasons. I know that the purple heart is only for wounded personel but there is nothing I can do about that at this time. I also know that the Navy Distuinguished service medals was only awarded to admirals and generals but for now I'm using it.

Any problems let me know

btw I know the crew awards arn't aligned, no matter what I did they came out like that.


http://files.filefront.com//;7075422;;/ (http://files.filefront.com//;7075422;;/)

[Tigrone]

I will never understand why the developers made it so hard.

Well done you. Don't worry about having the exact ones, these will work fine. They are real US decorations at least and in a reasonable order. This is a thousand times better then the Craker Jack junk they had.

I cannot figure out were they stuck the criteria. It was so simple and out in the open in SH3. We'll have to see how they set the policies for awards.

[Lukemb]

Excellent work again. Very well done!
Don't worry, for now this will work great.

When (and if) we will find the criteria for the awards it will be possible to make more changes.

[castorp345]

these are great, fullmetal.
many thanks!

for this release (and in the future) would you also please list the changes you've made to menu.txt (in the event that other modifications have been or will need to be done to that file)?

thanks again!!

cheers
hc

[fullmetaledges]

these are great, fullmetal.
many thanks!

for this release (and in the future) would you also please list the changes you've made to menu.txt (in the event that other modifications have been or will need to be done to that file)?

thanks again!!

cheers
hc
done

[castorp345]

whoah!
speedy!!
:D

[fullmetaledges]

whoah!
speedy!!
:D
spring break haha

[Ping Jockey]

Sunk a carrier and was awarded the" Medal of honor". The next patrol I got the "Silver Star" for 53,450 tons of shipping.This works great.:up:

[fullmetaledges]

I would like to see the medal of honor requirements tightened up but it will work for now

[modisch]

Any chance of replacing the Purple Heart? going on the mechanics of the game, it's just the first "nice job" medal as opposed to dealing with injury in the line of duty. It'd be nice to have something else...

Maybe a good conduct medal? or the legion of merit? Kinda hard to find another medal that is time period appropriate. Perhaps any of our naval/history/military buffs could help pick one.

-m

[Bill Nichols]

Any chance of replacing the Purple Heart? going on the mechanics of the game, it's just the first "nice job" medal as opposed to dealing with injury in the line of duty. It'd be nice to have something else...

Maybe a good conduct medal? or the legion of merit? Kinda hard to find another medal that is time period appropriate. Perhaps any of our naval/history/military buffs could help pick one.

-m


How about simply a pair of dolphins?

[clayton]

How about my signature below. The Combat Patrol Insigna! Would be a suitable award for the crew after a patrol.

[SharpShin]

Excellent! Thank you for this.

[fullmetaledges]

Any chance of replacing the Purple Heart? going on the mechanics of the game, it's just the first "nice job" medal as opposed to dealing with injury in the line of duty. It'd be nice to have something else...

Maybe a good conduct medal? or the legion of merit? Kinda hard to find another medal that is time period appropriate. Perhaps any of our naval/history/military buffs could help pick one.

-m


How about simply a pair of dolphins?
the problem with the dolphins is that the officers and enlisted ones are not the same. The officers were gold colored while the enlisted mans were embroidered on the cuff of there dress uniform

[Bill Nichols]

Any chance of replacing the Purple Heart? going on the mechanics of the game, it's just the first "nice job" medal as opposed to dealing with injury in the line of duty. It'd be nice to have something else...

Maybe a good conduct medal? or the legion of merit? Kinda hard to find another medal that is time period appropriate. Perhaps any of our naval/history/military buffs could help pick one.

-m


How about simply a pair of dolphins?
the problem with the dolphins is that the officers and enlisted ones are not the same. The officers were gold colored while the enlisted mans were embroidered on the cuff of there dress uniform


Yeah, I know. Nothing's perfect.

But, I like the combat patrol pin even better!

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2865/combatpatrolinsigniahj3.jpg

[fullmetaledges]

maybe later

[Lukemb]

Any chance of replacing the Purple Heart? going on the mechanics of the game, it's just the first "nice job" medal as opposed to dealing with injury in the line of duty. It'd be nice to have something else...

Maybe a good conduct medal? or the legion of merit? Kinda hard to find another medal that is time period appropriate. Perhaps any of our naval/history/military buffs could help pick one.

-m
Some historically accurate medals that may fit in the game would be:
- Legion of Merit (since Oct. 1942)
- Navy Commendation ribbon (since Jan. 1944 - now called Navy & Marine Corps Commendation medal)
- Navy Good Conduct medal
- Asiatic/Pacific Campaign ribbon (since Nov. 1942 - a medal was created after the war)

The only problem is that giving these medals since Dec. 1941 is not very realistic but... who cares! at least it's better than the current system.

[DeePsix501]

Love the Mod! Makes it feal real!

Just a question though, I loaded a post patrol career, when I had some medals to give out. When issued the medals the crew got Bronze Stars but when you cursor over them they are called "Wounded Medal" The medal next to it is the purple heart, but when you cursor over it, it is the Patrol Star or somthing close. Since the wounded medal represents wounded men but is given out like pats on the back, did you replace it with it with the bronze star for more accuracy? Or should the Bronze star be the patrol star and the wounded medal be the purple heart?

[hyperion2206]

I really love your mod, it's great!:yep::D I've got a question however: Do you know where the files are that gives you the text when you recieve a medal? You know the text saying: "Lt. Cdr. XYZ was awarded this medal while in command of USS ABC etc."
I have the German version of the game and don't get such a text, just the medal and the normal background and that sucks!
Can anybody help me to get these text files?:)

[fullmetaledges]

Love the Mod! Makes it feal real!

Just a question though, I loaded a post patrol career, when I had some medals to give out. When issued the medals the crew got Bronze Stars but when you cursor over them they are called "Wounded Medal" The medal next to it is the purple heart, but when you cursor over it, it is the Patrol Star or somthing close. Since the wounded medal represents wounded men but is given out like pats on the back, did you replace it with it with the bronze star for more accuracy? Or should the Bronze star be the patrol star and the wounded medal be the purple heart?
Yes I changed the order of the medals because it was giving them out wrong. The default way was that the navy cross was the highest award so since I couldn't find the .cfg file, this was what I decided on doing instead.

[fullmetaledges]

I really love your mod, it's great!:yep::D I've got a question however: Do you know where the files are that gives you the text when you recieve a medal? You know the text saying: "Lt. Cdr. XYZ was awarded this medal while in command of USS ABC etc."
I have the German version of the game and don't get such a text, just the medal and the normal background and that sucks!
Can anybody help me to get these text files?:)
That file is located in \Ubisoft\Silent Hunter Wolves of the Pacific\Data\Menu\menu.txt

line 5890

[hyperion2206]

I really love your mod, it's great!:yep::D I've got a question however: Do you know where the files are that gives you the text when you recieve a medal? You know the text saying: "Lt. Cdr. XYZ was awarded this medal while in command of USS ABC etc."
I have the German version of the game and don't get such a text, just the medal and the normal background and that sucks!
Can anybody help me to get these text files?:) That file is located in \Ubisoft\Silent Hunter Wolves of the Pacific\Data\Menu\menu.txt

line 5890


I do have that line, but it's never shown when I'm awarded a medal.:o

[Beery]

If anyone can clean up the lines of the medals so that they line up properly that would be great. I've been messing with it but I haven't had enough time to really concentrate on it. Also, if there's still an issue with the mouseover texts, I think they are kept in one of the base text files for the game (menu.txt, medals.upc). It might be worth a try to change the order of these - might fix the problem.

[nimitstexan]

My guess would be UPCLocalizations.tsr . . .

;UPCCrewData\Medals.upc
Wounded medal=Bronze Star
Medal of valor=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
Victory cross=Medal of Honor
Submarine service medal=Purple Heart
Patrol star=Navy Cross
Campaign star=Silver Star

[Jace11]

Im working on that at the moment, and fixing the alphas and getting the order right so they are awarded for the right thing... if you follow the games medal order you can work it out I think.

The order I think works is

5150=Medals
5151=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5152=Purple Heart
5153=Bronze Star
5154=Congressional Medal of Honor
5155=Silver Star
5156=Navy Cross

As originally this was...

5150=Medals
5151=Submarine Service Medal
5152=Wounded Medal
5153=Patrol Star
5154=Medal of Valor
5155=Campaign Star
5156=Victory Cross

These tally quite well in terms of shapes of medals, names and value..

The order full uses:

5150=Medals
5151=Purple Heart
5152=Bronze Star
5153=Silver Star
5154=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5155=Navy Cross
5156=Medal of Honor

therefore injured people get the bronze star with this order, which can't be right, though I appreciate that the awards to the player seem too high.

but if you swap them in the list to the correct order, you have to swap the pics in the dds files... which takes time.

One problem I am having is loss of colour quality as I swap from psd to dds file format.. anyone know how to get the best quality dds and what is the highest format the game will tolerate??

One further way to check is to look at savegames... in the camapaigntrack file it gives the initials of the awards, so far I have only been given a CMOH (which appeared as a medal of valor). I need to check SS and BS but I havent been awarded these yet...


I think just cause you do well and get the CMOH on your first mission, doesnt mean the order is wrong... the order your crew get awarded seems relatively ok...

Thoughts...

[nimitstexan]

I think the problem (as others have reported it) is the game was not using the wounded medal as such, but rather awarding it just like any other medal. Do you have actual experiance of the game limiting the "wounded medal" just to wounded crewmen?

[Jace11]

Well yes... I took a shell in after torp room and had all 3 watches get injured (though only slightly...) when I got back to base they were several wounded medals to be awarded and they could all have been recipients...

I thought it was working fine...

[fullmetaledges]

Im working on that at the moment, and fixing the alphas and getting the order right so they are awarded for the right thing... if you follow the games medal order you can work it out I think.

The order I think works is

5150=Medals
5151=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5152=Purple Heart
5153=Bronze Star
5154=Congressional Medal of Honor
5155=Silver Star
5156=Navy Cross

As originally this was...

5150=Medals
5151=Submarine Service Medal
5152=Wounded Medal
5153=Patrol Star
5154=Medal of Valor
5155=Campaign Star
5156=Victory Cross

These tally quite well in terms of shapes of medals, names and value..

The order full uses:

5150=Medals
5151=Purple Heart
5152=Bronze Star
5153=Silver Star
5154=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5155=Navy Cross
5156=Medal of Honor

therefore injured people get the bronze star with this order, which can't be right, though I appreciate that the awards to the player seem too high.

but if you swap them in the list to the correct order, you have to swap the pics in the dds files... which takes time.

One problem I am having is loss of colour quality as I swap from psd to dds file format.. anyone know how to get the best quality dds and what is the highest format the game will tolerate??

One further way to check is to look at savegames... in the camapaigntrack file it gives the initials of the awards, so far I have only been given a CMOH (which appeared as a medal of valor). I need to check SS and BS but I havent been awarded these yet...


I think just cause you do well and get the CMOH on your first mission, doesnt mean the order is wrong... the order your crew get awarded seems relatively ok...

Thoughts...
the reason I changed the order is because if you use the default order of

5150=Medals
5151=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5152=Purple Heart
5153=Bronze Star
5154=Congressional Medal of Honor
5155=Silver Star
5156=Navy Cross

the game treats that as the order in which to award the medals. Try it, I did, have a 65,000 ton patrol and you will be awarded the navy cross, the crew will get multiple medals of honor and purple hearts will be given out for successful patrols. With the order that I used I havent had 1 purple heart given out, all bronze stars, and silver stars. I avg about 25,000 tons. Don't go back to the original way the game lists the medals of it will screw up the awarding of them. if you don't believe me check out the way they did it before they put in the fake medals.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/nailbomb/medal-1.jpg

[Jace11]

hmm you may have a point that higher value medals are awarded too easily, I havent seen that with the crew on my patrols though. When people got injured, they got a WM when we got back to base... I got some decent medals for my officers but not MoV (CMOH) though I was awarded one...

Well, as it stands I have the menu.txt graphics, etc set up for the order I posted above. If there is a problem with what is awarded, then it may be due to game logic, scoring and difficulty etc, if those thing get fixed then I can always post up the finished files as they are done now... I better do a bit of testing etc...

What difficulty did you do your patrol on?

[fullmetaledges]

second from the highest, I also have those files because I just replaced the names and images of the awards originally but after getting the MOH for 45,000 tons and the Navy Cross for 75,000 ton patrols I decided that that was not right. I can't find the .cfg file that gives the criteria for awarding the awards so for now changing the order is the work around to it awarding the medals in the wrong order.

[Ansirial]

I think the problem (as others have reported it) is the game was not using the wounded medal as such, but rather awarding it just like any other medal. Do you have actual experiance of the game limiting the "wounded medal" just to wounded crewmen?

Yes, I'm sure, in the last patrol I had a wounded and then I received only ONE wound badge (the medal originally called "Submarine Service Medal" first place in menu.txt) and few patrols ago I had I don't remember how many wounded and I received few wound badge - obviously a for wonded I mean a real wonded (not a 94/100). These are the the only cases I had this medal.

I suppose the medal is awarded for wounded below the 90/100 of health

[Schultzy]

Just to add my experiences to the wound medal issue.

I just got back to Pearl Harbour with 2 wounded crew men. Low and behold I had 4 promotions and 2 purple hearts to distribute. However, whilst I obviously gave them to the two men who had been wounded, nearly all the NCO's/seamen's boxes were highlighted when I was dragging the medal, so I could have given it to anyone, not just the 2 who had been wounded.

:hmm:

[fullmetaledges]

Just to add my experiences to the wound medal issue.

I just got back to Pearl Harbour with 2 wounded crew men. Low and behold I had 4 promotions and 2 purple hearts to distribute. However, whilst I obviously gave them to the two men who had been wounded, nearly all the NCO's/seamen's boxes were highlighted when I was dragging the medal, so I could have given it to anyone, not just the 2 who had been wounded.

:hmm:
is this the stock sh4?

[Ansirial]

the reason I changed the order is because if you use the default order of

5150=Medals
5151=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5152=Purple Heart
5153=Bronze Star
5154=Congressional Medal of Honor
5155=Silver Star
5156=Navy Cross

the game treats that as the order in which to award the medals. Try it, I did, have a 65,000 ton patrol and you will be awarded the navy cross, the crew will get multiple medals of honor and purple hearts will be given out for successful patrols. With the order that I used I havent had 1 purple heart given out, all bronze stars, and silver stars. I avg about 25,000 tons. Don't go back to the original way the game lists the medals of it will screw up the awarding of them. if you don't believe me check out the way they did it before they put in the fake medals.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/nailbomb/medal-1.jpg

Right! Because the medal are swapped, as I see in the savefiles too; in fact in the savefiles the names are exactly as fullmetaledges menu.txt, except for the navy cross swapped with the Navy Distinguished Service Medal - IMHO the order should be left as thought by the developers (before changing real medals to fake ones) because probably the criteria of assignation were correct. Take a look to the savefiles and see how the medals are assigned to the crew members.

[Ansirial]

Just to add my experiences to the wound medal issue.

I just got back to Pearl Harbour with 2 wounded crew men. Low and behold I had 4 promotions and 2 purple hearts to distribute. However, whilst I obviously gave them to the two men who had been wounded, nearly all the NCO's/seamen's boxes were highlighted when I was dragging the medal, so I could have given it to anyone, not just the 2 who had been wounded.

:hmm:

Yes, the number of wound badge is correct but after a patrol is hard to remember who has been wounded... Anybody remember how work the wound badge in sh3? Just to know if a wound badge is awardable only to wounded.

[Beery]

In SH3 the wound badge was hard-coded so that it could only be awarded to wounded men. I think we have three options:

1. Assuming the wound badge is being awarded to non-wounded crewmen, lobby the devs to fix this in an official patch.

2. Change the wound badge so it becomes some other lesser award unrelated to wounds.

3. Remove the wound badge from the game altogether.

I'm for either one, but I've listed them in order of my own preference.

[Ansirial]

1. Assuming the wound badge is being awarded to non-wounded crewmen, lobby the devs to fix this in an official patch.

I'm for either one, but I've listed them in order of my own preference.

I'm for the first one me too :yep: - even we can write down the wounded names during patrols to reward the at the end :lol:

However I hope in the future patch (together with many other bugs) this aspect will be resolved

[Captain_Jack]

1. Assuming the wound badge is being awarded to non-wounded crewmen, lobby the devs to fix this in an official patch.

I'm for either one, but I've listed them in order of my own preference.

I'm for the first one me too :yep: - even we can write down the wounded names during patrols to reward the at the end :lol:

However I hope in the future patch (together with many other bugs) this aspect will be resolved


Yes! Option One. I did the same and just wrote down who was wounded to receive a Purple Heart. If no one was wounded then no recipients.

If there are no Purple Hearts (and lets please use the proper term, not "wound badge"), then there will be no way to recognize those crew members who were wounded in the line of duty.

[letterboy1]

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but here is a post from Elanaiba that he made at SimHQ:

Guys,

Thanks for pointing out the error with the Thresher. Just a small missing h. Sorry about it, it will of course be corrected in the next patch.

As for the medals, belive me we would have liked to LEAVE the correct medals in the game. But, if the US Institute of Heraldry says we can't, I suppose we can't do it. Anyway, it was not our call, and in now way it was meant as making fun of the real awards of the US Navy.

[Tigrone]

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but here is a post from Elanaiba that he made at SimHQ: Guys,Thanks for pointing out the error with the Thresher. Just a small missing h. Sorry about it, it will of course be corrected in the next patch. As for the medals, belive me we would have liked to LEAVE the correct medals in the game. But, if the US Institute of Heraldry says we can't, I suppose we can't do it. Anyway, it was not our call, and in now way it was meant as making fun of the real awards of the US Navy.

I do not believe this is true. I think it is a quote taken out of context. I think it is simply a matter of not reading or not being able to read English well. The reference applies to stealing copy writteded art work and not to historical simulations or artistic work done by others based on US decorations. The depiction of US decorations is not unlawful, anymore than a depiction of the flag or a service uniform would be. It does not apply.

[Sailor Steve]

Without knowing more I would hesitate to argue...but SH1 had the correct medals, and I never heard about them getting any trouble over it.

[fullmetaledges]

I would agree with the misunderstanding of the english but I would also point out that I bet everyone who works for ubisoft is double checking laws and erroring(i know it's not a word but you know what I mean) on the side of caution after the whole grumman mess with pacific fighters.

[Tigrone]

Pacific Fighters has US medals in it, 3 whole files of them, and so do some other Ubisoft games. There is nothing that prevents their use, as a decoration in the game.:know:

[fullmetaledges]

I meant because of the threatened lawsuit from grumman

[nimitstexan]

I think our Romanian friends simply misinterpreted or misunderstood the situation regarding the medals. They may have asked and been denied permission to use them by the US Army Heraldic Institute, but I think the greater issue is there was no need to ask permission in the first place.

[akdavis]

I doubt the Rumanians had anything to do with it. I suspect Ubi lawyers at play here. ;) (Also, please note that despite the PF difficulties, at no point did they have to pull the game of the shelves or remove something via a patch. Just because something is in PF doesn't mean that it wasn't an issue, or perhaps more importantly, a potential issue from a lawyer's perspective.)

[Barkhorn1x]

Look everyone - here is the situation = we are never going to get realistic medals from UBI - we are on our own on this one. :damn:

However, the least they could do is tell us - in detail - all of the files that drive the medal award system.

[Beery]

Look everyone - here is the situation = we are never going to get realistic medals from UBI - we are on our own on this one. :damn:

However, the least they could do is tell us - in detail - all of the files that drive the medal award system.

I think a big part of the problem is that, unlike SH3, a lot of SH4's config files are stuck in volume files, so are inaccessible unless we can unpack them.

[Tobowsi]

I think we can figure out what the medals are supposed to be.

In fact, I think the "Medal of valor" is supposed to be the Medal of Honor, and the "Victory Cross" is supposed to be the Navy Cross. (Bear with me while I explain.)

For my first patrol, I was sent on a photo recon mission near Tokyo. After completing the objective, I was on my way out of the bay and noticed a Fuso BB docked at one of the harbors (I'd have to look at the map again to verify the locations), and I took the liberty of sinking it. I did some hunting and when I returned from my patrol, I was awarded the "Medal of valor". I took a screenshot.

The date on the "Medal of valor" screen was Dec. 10, 1941. (even though the patrol ended in January, but I apparently sank the BB on Dec. 10th)

On the next patrol, I sank mostly merchant ships and some of the DD's providing escort. When I returned, I was awarded the "Victory cross". I took a screenshot (I've actually taken one for each medal so far)

The date on the "Victory cross" screen was Jan. 17, 1942.

For my third patrol, I was awarded the "Victory cross" again for sinking merchant ships and a few of their escorts.

On the fourth patrol, I was awarded the "Victory cross" for sinking only merchant ships.

On the last (fifth) patrol, I happened to leave Pearl a couple days before the Battle of Midway. I found two different task forces and ended up taking out various warships including carriers, battleships, and so forth (was tired of only attacking merchants, LOL). When I returned home, I was awarded the "Medal of valor".

Unfortunately, all of the medal award screens are bugged. All of the awards show me as CO of the USS Trout, which was my first boat, and the one I used for the first three patrols. (My last two patrols have been as CO of the USS Drum.) All of the "Victory cross" screens have the same date of Jan. 17, 1942. Both of the "Medal of valor" screens show the same date of Dec. 10, 1941. The only thing that did carry over correctly each time was the rank.

Well, I was looking through the career file (....My Documents\SH4\data\cfg\UPCInitial\CareerTrack.upc) and found the following sections in it....

(under [CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusLast])
PlayerCurrentMedals=NULL,CMOH,Navy Cross,Navy Cross,Navy Cross,CMOH

[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusSave 34]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_Award
NameDisplayable=MT_CMOH
CurrentDate=1941-12-10 15:00:00
AwardReceived=MT_CMOH

[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusSave 64]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_Award
NameDisplayable=MT_NavyCross
CurrentDate=1942-01-17 01:22:04
AwardReceived=MT_NavyCross

[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusSave 101]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_Award
NameDisplayable=MT_NavyCross
CurrentDate=1942-03-01 18:24:03
AwardReceived=MT_NavyCross

[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusSave 146]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_Award
NameDisplayable=MT_NavyCross
CurrentDate=1942-04-13 18:41:51
AwardReceived=MT_NavyCross

[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusSave 166]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_Award
NameDisplayable=MT_CMOH
CurrentDate=1942-06-02 18:12:17
AwardReceived=MT_CMOH

Those match the screenshots I have of 3 Victory crosses and 2 Medals of valor, and the dates on the first two match the Medal of valor dated Dec 10, 1941 and the Victory cross dated Jan 17, 1942. They also match the order awarded of Medal of valor, Victory cross, Victory cross, Victory cross, and Medal of valor.

If I receive any other kinds of medals, I can look through the file again and compare that to what's on the screen after the patrol (and in the medal box on the desk). I also know that some of my crew have been awarded the "submarine service medal", "wounded medal", and "patrol star" and I'll see if I can find a config file with the crewmen's names and an equivalent award name listed as well.

[Tobowsi]

OK, I just looked at the crew management screen and then for three of my crewmen (with a representative mix of medals) and found some more medals listed.

In the same directory (My Documents\SH4\data\cfg\UPCInitial), there's a file called ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc. Like the CareerTrack.upc file mentioned in my last post, it has a modified date of the last time I made a change/save in the game.

I have one crewman by the name of Joseph R. Mann whose only medal is the "wounded medal". Here's what I found for him (I'll snip most stuff out):

[UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 1.CrewMemberSlot 1.CrewMember]
ID=HPOTorp
NameDisplayable=Joseph R. Mann
(snip)
Medals=Bronze Star
(snip)

Luke W. Brown has only the "patrol star". Here's what I found for him:

[UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 2.CrewMemberSlot 3.CrewMember]
ID=CPOEng
NameDisplayable=Luke W. Brown
(snip)
Medals=Silver Star
(snip)

Fitzhugh Roger Bell has the "submarine service medal", the "wounded medal", and the "patrol star". Here's what's shown for him:

[UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 3.CrewMemberSlot 1.CrewMember]
ID=HOFFComm
NameDisplayable=Fitzhugh Roger Bell
(snip)
Medals=Silver Star,Bronze Star,Purple Heart
(snip)


So from these three guys, it looks to me like:
"wounded medal" = Bronze Star
"patrol star" = Silver Star
"submarine service medal" = Purple Heart

I know, it's messed up, but those are the medals shown on the crew management screen and that's what the files say...

If you all can confirm any other medals, that'd be cool, but this is what I've found so far.

[Tobowsi]

OK, some more research here... LOL. (I keep adding new posts in case you've already read the previous ones in the meantime)

I went into SH4 and did a save game so I could ensure I knew which set of files was the one I wanted to edit.

So under "...\My Documents\SH4\data\cfg\SaveGames" I found the folder with the latest timestamp. In that folder, there is an ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc file. There is also a UPCInitial folder with an ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc file in that directory as well, so I changed that one.

In the "...\My Documents\SH4\data\cfg\UserPlayerContext" folder there is a file called Medals.upc which contains the following info:


[Medal 1]
ID=Purple Heart
TreeType=USNavy
NameDisplayable=Purple Heart
MedalType=MT_PurpleHeart

[Medal 2]
ID=CMOH
TreeType=USNavy
NameDisplayable=Congressional Medal of Honor
MedalType=MT_CMOH

[Medal 3]
ID=Navy Cross
TreeType=USNavy
NameDisplayable=Navy Cross
MedalType=MT_NavyCross

[Medal 4]
ID=Dist Service Medal
TreeType=USNavy
NameDisplayable=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
MedalType=MT_DistSerMedal

[Medal 5]
ID=Silver Star
TreeType=USNavy
NameDisplayable=Silver Star
MedalType=MT_SilverStar

[Medal 6]
ID=Bronze Star
TreeType=USNavy
NameDisplayable=Bronze Star
MedalType=MT_BronzeStar


From looking at the CareerTrack.upc and ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc files and how the medals in there appear to go off the "ID" tag, I decided to go into the ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc file for the latest game save and modify some crewmembers who previously had no medals whatsoever to see if I could confirm some things.

So I found Kevin N. Peterson in the "units" file and said that "Medals=CMOH".

I found Duncan J. Lee and said that "Medals=Navy Cross".

Then I went and found Augustus A. Acker and said that "Medals=Dist Service Medal".

I made those medal modifications in both ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc files in the savegame directory, both under the main directory and the UPCInitial directory. (...\SaveGames\[number]\ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc and ...\SaveGames\[number]\UPCInitial\ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc)

I then went into SH4 and loaded the latest save I had made to see if my changes took effect and what the results would be. When I looked at the three crewmen I had "awarded", I found the following:

Kevin N. Peterson had the Victory cross. ("Medals=CMOH")
Duncan J. Lee had the Medal of valor. ("Medals=Navy Cross")
Augustus A. Acker had the Campaign star. ("Medals=Dist Service Medal")

OK, something's screwy here. In my own CareerTrack file, it showed I had received a CMOH when the screenshot showed a Medal of valor. Now for the crewmen, telling the game to give Kevin N. Peterson the CMOH ends up showing a Victory cross on the crew management screen. Also vice versa. I tell the game to give Duncan J. Lee a Navy Cross and it shows him with the Medal of valor, yet in my CareerTrack file, when it says I got a Navy Cross, it showed me a screenshot after a patrol saying I was awarded a Victory cross. If the management screen followed the same medals as I've seen awarded to me after patrols, Kevin N. Peterson should be showing a Medal of valor and Duncan J. Lee should be showing a Victory cross.

It appears that the Campaign star might be the Navy Distinguished Service Medal.

However, there seems to be a conflict between my own CareerTrack file and the crew's ActiveUserPlayerUnits file. There's also that question on why the config file would say "Bronze Star" and the crew would have a "Wounded medal" or why the config would say "Purple Heart" and the crew would show a "Submarine service medal".

It'd be nice if the devs would actually fix these things, but anyway, I thought I'd share what I've found up until now.

[akdavis]

Hmm...this bears the hallmarks of good work being hurriedly undone. :(

[fullmetaledges]

@ Tobowsi I did all the samethings you have before releasing this mod, thats why I changed the order.

[jmjohnson36]

As a Military Veteran of 18 years, the display of US Military medals in NOT illegal, matter of fact you now can display military Medals and badges on civilian clothes... as long as you display them correctly.

I am the winner of the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, and several others.
US ARMY 1985-2003

[Tobowsi]

@ Tobowsi I did all the samethings you have before releasing this mod, thats why I changed the order.

Just making sure, because from what I've seen, it shows a different order that what I saw in the original post. Guess I missed the update.

I saw the original menu.txt file as saying:
5150=Medals
5151=Submarine service medal
5152=Wounded medal
5153=Patrol star
5154=Medal of valor
5155=Campaign star
5156=Victory cross

Your original post shows:
5150=Medals
5151=Purple Heart
5152=Bronze Star
5153=Silver Star
5154=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5155=Navy Cross
5156=Medal of Honor

From the files I looked at, the first half match up but it's looking like it could be
5154=Medal of Honor
5155=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5156=Navy Cross

That's if the CareerTrack file (and awards shown to player after patrols) is correct rather than the crew file when it comes to the CMOH and Navy Cross. Even so, the crew screen shows a Campaign star when the .upc file has the Dist Service Medal.

The game had awarded me Medals of valor when the CareerTrack file said I got Medals of Honor and your menu.txt hinted MOV's were Distinguished Service Medals, and I had received Victory crosses when the CareerTrack file said I got Navy Crosses and your menu.txt file hinted those were Medals of Honor.

I noticed a discrepancy and saw talk of not being able to find .cfg and other files related to medals, noticed these things, and thought I'd mention them (especially since these files aren't even on the same drive as the game on my system, so they probably wouldn't show up in a search of game files for other people as well).

Didn't intend to step on any toes, just add some info that may not have been seen otherwise because of the different location of the data.

[fullmetaledges]

As a Military Veteran of 18 years, the display of US Military medals in NOT illegal, matter of fact you now can display military Medals and badges on civilian clothes... as long as you display them correctly.

I am the winner of the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, and several others.
US ARMY 1985-2003
I didn't know that but why would I want to do such a thing

[fullmetaledges]

@ Tobowsi I did all the samethings you have before releasing this mod, thats why I changed the order.

Just making sure, because from what I've seen, it shows a different order that what I saw in the original post. Guess I missed the update.

I saw the original menu.txt file as saying:
5150=Medals
5151=Submarine service medal
5152=Wounded medal
5153=Patrol star
5154=Medal of valor
5155=Campaign star
5156=Victory cross

Your original post shows:
5150=Medals
5151=Purple Heart
5152=Bronze Star
5153=Silver Star
5154=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5155=Navy Cross
5156=Medal of Honor

From the files I looked at, the first half match up but it's looking like it could be
5154=Medal of Honor
5155=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5156=Navy Cross

That's if the CareerTrack file (and awards shown to player after patrols) is correct rather than the crew file when it comes to the CMOH and Navy Cross. Even so, the crew screen shows a Campaign star when the .upc file has the Dist Service Medal.

The game had awarded me Medals of valor when the CareerTrack file said I got Medals of Honor and your menu.txt hinted MOV's were Distinguished Service Medals, and I had received Victory crosses when the CareerTrack file said I got Navy Crosses and your menu.txt file hinted those were Medals of Honor.

I noticed a discrepancy and saw talk of not being able to find .cfg and other files related to medals, noticed these things, and thought I'd mention them (especially since these files aren't even on the same drive as the game on my system, so they probably wouldn't show up in a search of game files for other people as well).

Didn't intend to step on any toes, just add some info that may not have been seen otherwise because of the different location of the data.

not at all, good work the file that I would really like to find tho is the one that tells the game how many tons you need to sink for each medal. I changed the order because this file hasn't been found and in the original order the game seemed to hold the navy cross as the highest award. I have been having successful patrols and my crew and I seem to be getting the right awards. Mostly bronze stars for my crew.

[jmjohnson36]

July 4th....or when your old and have nothing else to do...OLD Ladies dig medals LOL

[fullmetaledges]

oh ok, I'm not old enough to wear my vfw hat with medals on it and not feel goofy so until them it will sit in my desk.

[jmjohnson36]

For one in the game I won the Medal of Honor...however it is shown wrong in the rewards area, I actually am being awarded the Dist. Service Medal.....I know I have one on the wall here at my office...

[fullmetaledges]

For one in the game I won the Medal of Honor...however it is shown wrong in the rewards area, I actually am being awarded the Dist. Service Medal.....I know I have one on the wall here at my office...
is it wrong in the office screen or when you click on it in the medal box

[Tigrone]

"I didn't know that, but why would I want to do such a thing."

Fullmetaledges,
Per custom, retired and discharged service personel (persons not on active service) do not wear the uniform at ceremonials or memorials. For example, if I were to attend a military ball again (The last one I went to was as a guest at the Marine Corps birthday ball.) I would wear a tux with minatures on the lapel. At a military ceremonial outdoor daytime event, such as a funeral or a memorial dedication, one might wear a suit with full size medals. On Flag Day, Veterans or Memorial day, one would normally wear a minature ribbon plaque. It depends on the event and often the correct display is indicated in the invitation.

Also, it always impresses the girls, or at least they are polite enough to pretend, and it's a great conversation starter. Beau Derek spoke to me at the Special Forces 50th anniversay ball. I, of course, turned into a babbling idiot on the spot.

Now, back on topic, how can we get these stupid medals under control? I really like and appreciate the work you've done on this Fullmetaledges, it's very cool. It should not have had to be so hard, and the devs could have explained it.

And, for the last time guys, there is nothing which prohibits creating images of US medals in a historical or artistic context. The FBI has better things to do. Today I saw an anatomically correct life-size chocolate Jesus, and a full size paper mache of Barak Obama, as the Messiah, with a neon halo, yet! I mean, this is the land of free speech and fair use.

[GSpector]

I was very surprised when I just earned my 1st Medal, the Campaign Star and it stated it was being awarded by the United States Submarine Force.

It's nice to see that they acknowledge the Country the Subs are from, but why no reference to the Branch? I am sure the reason for Fantasy Medals has something to do with them also not using United States Navy. :hmm:

I think Letterboy1 found the reason for this Medal Mayhem. Whether UBI misunderstood or not, it makes sense if the quote below as true.

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but here is a post from Elanaiba that he made at SimHQ:

Guys,

Thanks for pointing out the error with the Thresher. Just a small missing h. Sorry about it, it will of course be corrected in the next patch.

As for the medals, belive me we would have liked to LEAVE the correct medals in the game. But, if the US Institute of Heraldry says we can't, I suppose we can't do it. Anyway, it was not our call, and in now way it was meant as making fun of the real awards of the US Navy.

[Lukemb]

For one in the game I won the Medal of Honor...however it is shown wrong in the rewards area, I actually am being awarded the Dist. Service Medal.....I know I have one on the wall here at my office... is it wrong in the office screen or when you click on it in the medal box

Fullmetaledges,

I forgot to ask you that before, did you mod also the medal box? because in mine there are still the wrong medals.

The medal box files are:

\Data\Textures\TLowRes\tex\badges.dds

and

\Data\Textures\TNormal\tex\badges.dds

I was just wondering maybe I messed up with the installation of Real Medals 1.01.

...and thanks again for the hard work!

[Lukemb]

An update on the medal requirements,

quoting from Elanaiba:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=110663


Outta my docs - should be about the same in the code :)

Purple Heart: over 40% medium damage taken by the sub

Bronze Star: 3 ships sunk in one patrol or a DD, CL or larger combatant ship not worthy of a higher award

Silver Star: 6 ships sunk in one patrol or a CVE or CA sunk

Navy Cross: 8 ships sunk in one patrol or a BB or CV

CMOH: 6 ships sunk in the same engagement (checks for 24 h timeframe) or 2 of the following BB, CV, CVE

[Jace11]

Hmm, well in that case, the medals are awarded somewhat unspecifically but generally in the right order, its just that people seem to 100000 tonnes a patrol then... maybe the game is just far too easy..

[Beery]

Once modders start reducing the ability to sink ships I think things will start to improve. But either way I think it's essesntial that we be able to mod the medal award criteria.

[Tobowsi]

not at all, good work the file that I would really like to find tho is the one that tells the game how many tons you need to sink for each medal. I changed the order because this file hasn't been found and in the original order the game seemed to hold the navy cross as the highest award. I have been having successful patrols and my crew and I seem to be getting the right awards. Mostly bronze stars for my crew.

Thanks. I'm glad there are no hard feelings. :D The mod is a great idea and looks good. :up: It's a shame that it's even necessary....looks like the devs started off with the right medals in mind. They probably got caught with the whole "it's ok for non-commercial purposes" thing.

The actual game file would be great to find, even though the quote posted my Lukemb about criteria may help (if the devs didn't change it during coding). I agree the game seems to hold the Victory cross as the highest award for the crew (which fits if the crew file says "CMOH", although I get a Victory cross when the file says "Navy Cross"....very confusing and frustrating.)

Looking at page 79 of the manual and the PDF of the manual that came with the install, it appears the original order for crewmen was going to be Purple Heart, Bronze Star, Silver Star, Dist Service Medal, Navy Cross, and Medal of Honor, which fits the order of precedence.

Instead, we're shown this messed up order where apparently the medal for wounded crewmen is a submarine service medal that looks like the WWII Navy DSM, a wounded medal that resembles a Purple Heart but shows up as a Bronze Star in the code, and so on, up to a Victory cross which resembles a Navy Cross but only shows up if the code says CMOH. (and that order differing from your own) They changed the colors around on some of them, but the shapes of the medals and the scheme of the striping on the ribbons causes the new ones to resemble various real world medals from WWII.

Taking the criteria that Lukemb posted, I may make a couple of short patrols later strictly to sink only a few ships and return to port, just to see what kind of medal I'm awarded and how it shows up in the CareerTrack file.

I'll also continue to play normally and see if the medals are similar to SH3 in that you're only allowed to award certain medals after at least one crewman has a lower order medal. My OOD's always get the newest medals (hoping for a boost to all crew on their shift) and I've already got crewmen with the patrol star, so I'm curious to see if the next medal is the Medal of valor, the Campaign star, or the Victory cross.

I'll keep looking and try to help out where I can. If I find anything else out that may help, I'll let you know.

[Lukemb]

Tobowsi,

you can give any medal you want to your crewmen in any order.

It's not like in SH3.

[fullmetaledges]

For one in the game I won the Medal of Honor...however it is shown wrong in the rewards area, I actually am being awarded the Dist. Service Medal.....I know I have one on the wall here at my office... is it wrong in the office screen or when you click on it in the medal box

Fullmetaledges,

I forgot to ask you that before, did you mod also the medal box? because in mine there are still the wrong medals.

The medal box files are:

\Data\Textures\TLowRes\tex\badges.dds

and

\Data\Textures\TNormal\tex\badges.dds

I was just wondering maybe I messed up with the installation of Real Medals 1.01.

...and thanks again for the hard work!
no i didn't

[Lukemb]

OK thanks.

[GSpector]

I hate to ask this but what program are you using to install .RAR files?

I used to be able to extract these type of files but for some reason, I think the program I used was deleted a long time ago.

[Lukemb]

I hate to ask this but what program are you using to install .RAR files?

I used to be able to extract these type of files but for some reason, I think the program I used was deleted a long time ago.

WinRAR

http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm

[Tigrone]

I was reluctant to try anything new, but once I used 7z, I loved it. It usually will open everything, and it's clean and simple.

[Tobowsi]

Tobowsi,

you can give any medal you want to your crewmen in any order.

It's not like in SH3.

I've seen that for patrol star and lower, but what about higher? Have you been able to give out any medals of valor, campaign stars, or victory crosses yet? Are you positive there are no prerequisite medals for those three?

I ask because I've been able to hand out only submarine service medals, wounded medals, and patrol stars so far, and I've had patrols will all kinds of tonnage and ships sunk. I've had from a couple dozen merchants only to a dozen warships (mostly CV's, BB's, and cruisers), and I've had patrols where I've sunk well over 200k tons. Yet I've won the higher medals for myself and haven't been able to hand out anything but the lower three to my crew.

[Beery]

I'd be willing to bet that the level of medals we get is modified by the difficulty level of the career.

[Tobowsi]

Possibly. I have the realism setting lower this first patrol because of various bugs.

[Lukemb]

Tobowsi,

you can give any medal you want to your crewmen in any order.

It's not like in SH3.
I've seen that for patrol star and lower, but what about higher? Have you been able to give out any medals of valor, campaign stars, or victory crosses yet? Are you positive there are no prerequisite medals for those three?

I ask because I've been able to hand out only submarine service medals, wounded medals, and patrol stars so far, and I've had patrols will all kinds of tonnage and ships sunk. I've had from a couple dozen merchants only to a dozen warships (mostly CV's, BB's, and cruisers), and I've had patrols where I've sunk well over 200k tons. Yet I've won the higher medals for myself and haven't been able to hand out anything but the lower three to my crew.

I have been able to hand out medals of valor (navy crosses in ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc file) to my crew and there were no prerequisite medals.

In my first career I never had the chance to to give out to my crew a Victory Cross or a Campaign Star.

I can confirm that for the player the Bronze Star/Patrol Star is given for 3 merchant ships sunk.

[Snowman999]

Some historically accurate medals that may fit in the game would be:
- Navy Good Conduct medal


Officers never recieve this one.

[Tigrone]

jimimadrid--s_shinyborder_Hud.rar conflicts with Real Medals v1.01, as both modded CrewSystemsManagement.dds. Is there a simple way to merge the 2 onto the CrewSystemsManagement.dds, so they don't conflict? I'm guessing it's simply the rearrangement of medals in Real Medals?

I asked in JimmiMadrid's thread too. Thank you so much for all your work on this Fullmetaledges. These are both such neat mods that really enhance the game, that I'd like to have both. I know, I want to eat the cake too. I am greedy. :yep:

[fullmetaledges]

send me a pm if you want the crewsystemmanagement.dds with JimmiMadrid's mod include your email address and I will send you the updated file

[Tigrone]

JimiMadrid just posted a new CrewSystemsManagement.dds with both yours and his integrated, so there's no conflict. He said he's going to rework his mod, so it's compatable with others, if I understood correctly. Thank you for replying to me, so promptly. You guys are quick.

All the best,

[fullmetaledges]

no problem

[Ostfriese]

In SH3 medals awarded to the crew came with a certain bonus for that crew member (like experience bonus). In SH4 there is no (visible) change to the drewman's stats, but can anyone tell whether there are hidden bonusses for awarding a medal? Or are medals just eye candy?

[Lukemb]

Some historically accurate medals that may fit in the game would be:
- Navy Good Conduct medal

Officers never recieve this one.

Of course, it was meant for the crew.

My best option for the player would be (even though some of them became available only later in the war):

MOH
Navy Cross
Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Bronze Star
Navy Commendation Ribbon

[nimitstexan]

Any ETA on getting a fixed version of the badges.dds for the medal case?

[fullmetaledges]

I dunno maybe this weekend if I get a chance to do it

[GT182]

Spector, get a copy of ZipGenius6, it's free and works great for .rar fles.

~S!~
GT

[GSpector]

Hey GT,

I Don't see you around here much anymore. Anything happening at the other site ?

I actually downloaded WinRAR. I had used it a while ago and liked it. I forgot all about it until someone here reminded me of the name.

[bomberdan]

very good work!

the only thing that should corrected/replaced is the bronze star because it avaibility was after 1944.

[GSpector]

True about the Bronze Star but it was a retroactive Medal that was Awarded to any person in any branch of the military service who, while serving in any capacity in the armed forces of the United States on or after December 7, 1941.

So, even though the Medal was authorized on Feb 4, 1944, I see no reason to not include it.

Source: American Medals and Decorations :
By: Evans Kerrigan

[fullmetaledges]

Here is a link to real medals v1.01 merged. This is if you want to use real medals along with captains cox's Classic Crew Mod (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=72678)

get it here http://hosted.filefront.com/ensignpulver

[Seapup]

Love the Mod! Makes it feal real!

Just a question though, I loaded a post patrol career, when I had some medals to give out. When issued the medals the crew got Bronze Stars but when you cursor over them they are called "Wounded Medal" The medal next to it is the purple heart, but when you cursor over it, it is the Patrol Star or somthing close. Since the wounded medal represents wounded men but is given out like pats on the back, did you replace it with it with the bronze star for more accuracy? Or should the Bronze star be the patrol star and the wounded medal be the purple heart?
Yes I changed the order of the medals because it was giving them out wrong. The default way was that the navy cross was the highest award so since I couldn't find the .cfg file, this was what I decided on doing instead.
Just a thought, my father was on two subs during WWII that were awarded Presidential Unit Citations. He was very proud of them. They reflected the heroism of the whole crew in battle. For more information go to: http://www.valoratsea.com/PUC.htm
I don't know how this would be incorporated SH4 but it would indicate that it was a team effort during a patrol. Maybe everyone on the crew's morale and "renown" should get raised. BTW, I like the change in medals to something more accurate. Nice work!

[GSpector]

I think the best way to use something like the PUC is if you make it to the TOP of the TOP ACES list. I'm not sure how this could be done in-game.

I think the best way to use something like the NUC is if you just make it to the the TOP ACES list.

As for their dates:

Both were retroactive Awards that go back to Dec 7, 41.

Presidential Unit Citation: Established Feb 6,42

Navy Unit Citation: Established Dec 18, 44

Source: American Medals and Decorations

[fullmetaledges]

you would have to award one to all of the crew tho

[GSpector]

Yes, and that's where the problem lies with Unit Awards in Sims.

[aso544]

Can someone explain how to install this and is there a way to verify it is installed correctly or do i have to earn a medal to determine that??

ASO

[GSpector]

Hello aso544,

1st, get a program like WinRar to unpack the files. It works just like WinZIP.

Usually I just open up the file, find the directory called "Data" and drag it to the Silent Hunter Wolves of the Pacific directory on the Hard Drive.

When the message pops up letting you know you already have a Directory called "Data", just click yes and it will copy all the files to where they belong.

This is what I do with ZIP's and RAR files.

[Holland]

Thanks, a greatly necessary piece of reality.

[bomberdan]

hey chaps!

i dont know what i made wrong ,but it seems likei´m only getting the DSM and less medals for the crew. i play at 58% realism with patch 1.1 and installed the RM-mod like it described in this forum.

these are my debriefing screens. is that normal??? i think theres something wrong. i accomplished all objectives and sunk several BB´s and BC´s + 2 CV´s. and 2 bronze stars for the crew + a DSM for the captain can´t be all :nope:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1874/dsm2uh3.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8012/dsm4jp8.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2984/dsmzg7.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4306/dsm1ve1.jpg

[McNally]

After installing the new patch, for some reason all the medals reverted back to their old names, but with the correct medal images. I tried installing the mod again, but it didn't seem to work.

[fullmetaledges]

ok I will take a look at it

[Lupo]

hi fullmetaledges!
i like your mod!!!!but have a question........can you make a german menu.txt for your mod?????
sorry for my bad english.....

mfg lupo!:cool:

[fullmetaledges]

I will look into it

[Lupo]

hi!
thank you!!!!:p i will waiting.........

mfg lupo!

[LukeFF]

Unfortunately the game is still using the fantasy graphics for the medals shown in the display case, with this mod enabled. In the picture below I was awarded the Bronze Star Medal, yet the graphic is of the "Wounded Medal." Is there a file somewhere that can be edited to fix this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/LukeFF/SH4Img20-5-2007_13.jpg

[leovampire]

Usualy I try not to go back to port until I get at least 100,000 tons or over even if I have to go somewhere to load up my boat with more Torpedo's.

Well I finaly said the hell with that and just deal with what I get with what I have and went back to HOME Base [PEARL] with 80,468 tons well I got more types of crew medals and more of them than I do getting more tonage.

Maybe it's just Pearl I don't know because I always use to do the Asiatic Fleet before.

But was wondering if you know how all this works?

Dave

[LukeFF]

Unfortunately the game is still using the fantasy graphics for the medals shown in the display case, with this mod enabled. In the picture below I was awarded the Bronze Star Medal, yet the graphic is of the "Wounded Medal." Is there a file somewhere that can be edited to fix this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/LukeFF/SH4Img20-5-2007_13.jpg

Bump!

[Beery]

Hang on...

People are coming to the medal "realism" thread and posting about routinely getting 100,000 tons in a patrol (when no real skipper got that amount in an entire career). I find that a very interesting juxtaposition of priorities.

[fullmetaledges]

Unfortunately the game is still using the fantasy graphics for the medals shown in the display case, with this mod enabled. In the picture below I was awarded the Bronze Star Medal, yet the graphic is of the "Wounded Medal." Is there a file somewhere that can be edited to fix this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/LukeFF/SH4Img20-5-2007_13.jpg

Bump!
I havent changed those textures and I don't have time currently to do so.

[LukeFF]

I havent changed those textures and I don't have time currently to do so.

Do you know where they are stored?

[fullmetaledges]

The medal box files are:

\Data\Textures\TLowRes\tex\badges.dds

and

\Data\Textures\TNormal\tex\badges.dds

[LukeFF]

The medal box files are:

\Data\Textures\TLowRes\tex\badges.dds

and

\Data\Textures\TNormal\tex\badges.dds

Thank you! Do you know in which order the "real" medals should go, from left to right? Just let me know, and I can probably do this all myself.

[fullmetaledges]

i don't remember, if you have the manual it shows the real ones in the right order

[LukeFF]

i don't remember, if you have the manual it shows the real ones in the right order

I must have one of the later manuals, because it shows the fake ones. :doh:

[fullmetaledges]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/nailbomb/medals-1.jpgi don't remember, if you have the manual it shows the real ones in the right order

I must have one of the later manuals, because it shows the fake ones. :doh:

[LukeFF]

Thank you!

[vindex]

Anyone know if this is compatible with 1.3?

I used this on 1.2 and liked it. I realize the medals in the case are wrong but they look good on the crew roster and the way medals were awarded made sense.

[leovampire]

try this link:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=559976#post559976

[vindex]

My impression, though, is that CaptainCox was constrained by the graphics models to keep the same medal order as before, which doesn't make sense (wound medals awarded for things besides getting wounded, etc.) whereas the old Real Medals mod corrected the medal order but left the 3d graphics in the box alone. I love CaptainCox, but I'd rather go with the second option.

[leovampire]

and in the right place in the box for both the crew and men.

[billko]

Anyone know if this is compatible with 1.3?

I used this on 1.2 and liked it. I realize the medals in the case are wrong but they look good on the crew roster and the way medals were awarded made sense.

Vindex:

I am living proof that Realmedals v 1.01 works with SH4 v 1.3, with the usual caveats that go with it: i.e., the 3D medals don't display the correct graphics. I truly believe the order fullmetaledges has is the correct one (or at least closer) because, even though I'd only received a CMOH and a Purple Heart with this mod, the saved game output file agrees with what Realmedals awarded me. Left in its stock order, the output file was different on several occasions, the most infamous one related to Captain Cox's thread where they were complaining that they should've gotten a Purple Heart for destroying the sub but got a Distinguished Service Medal instead. (Well, it *does* distinguish you!:rotfl: ) Anyway, looking in the saved game output file, you actually *do* get awarded the Purple Heart! But in the game, of course, it says you have the Distinguished Service Medal.

Bill

[GSpector]

Any chance we could see these Medal images that you decided to use? :D

[Lt commander lare]

hi this looks great can you release one for stock i would be greatful if you could


lt commander lare

[Latency]

The mod has already been posted online in the download section. If the medals are NOT correct and you feel should be switched (CMOH, SevMed), let me know and I will fix it real quick.

Also, if the crewmembers ones are to be different or same as captains, I would appreciate feedback to confirm if these are of official military award issue.


Can somebody help me with the wireframes.. anybody a gfx artist and care to help me out? Need somebody w/ exp in modeling too. Shouldnt take but a few moments of your time.

[GSpector]

Latency,

I do enjoy working with Graphics but the only time I dealt with wire-frame was when I was using CADD Software many years ago. I'm not sure why you would need wire-frames to work with 2D images. Currently I use NeoPaint for Bitmaps (raster work) and Corel Draw 14 (Vectored work). What are you using?

I will say that the Medals do look very nice, though the colors are a bit dark but so much better that most Sims.

As for one question you had, I'm not sure I fully understand. Other than the legion of Merit (which has several levels but is not in the Sim), all other Medals for each Branch of Service are available to all Service Members in their Branch, regardless of Rank.

[Latency]

Latency,

I do enjoy working with Graphics but the only time I dealt with wire-frame was when I was using CADD Software many years ago. I'm not sure why you would need wire-frames to work with 2D images. Currently I use NeoPaint for Bitmaps (raster work) and Corel Draw 14 (Vectored work). What are you using?

Shall we use some modern pro-tools? After-all, it is the 21st century and arn't most gfx nowdays 3D in retrospect?
The new medals need remodeled. SH4 has used SH3's medals and wireframes and therefore do not match all of the new medals of which I posted. More importantly, the new textures do NOT sync up. So, once again... if you know GAD and are not a rookie, I could use a few moments of somebody's time who knows how to re-texture and make a few quick tweeks to the wireframes on select medals to get this complete. 5/6 being displayed.. is not bad.. and if I had the actual mesh for the 6/6 .. to test .. yah.. okay. Goes without saying what software is needed to do the work.. and well.. good luck with that software you had listed above.


I will say that the Medals do look very nice, though the colors are a bit dark but so much better that most Sims.

Um, you do realize I put this on gloss/pure black background for a reason? Did you read my tutorial in how I explained why I did it this way for representational purposes? You do know why it is displayed in this fashion.. yes? Seriously, regardless of the background it looks better because it is the only medals mod out there that is actually correct. You can always pump up the gamma on your display if it is too dark for you. It might look dark because of the background, but as mentioned before, there are professional representation reasons why it is displayed in this manor for screenshot purposes... in the game it is perfect (with no respect to lighting angle.. of course. | I think I choose to use 0 degree angle TD for consistency... and noted for an art director to be the final judge).


As for one question you had, I'm not sure I fully understand. Other than the legion of Merit (which has several levels but is not in the Sim), all other Medals for each Branch of Service are available to all Service Members in their Branch, regardless of Rank.

Can you clarify your question a bit please? There are something on the order of 5/7 used medals in-game. Even though I have support for the additional 2x, I have taken it upon myself to use the ones which were to actually be issued which made sense to the game as issued by the game itself.

Again, I have had this mod posted for over 6 months and requested feedback regarding the proper issue of these medals by USA/Ger conventions, and thus far NOBODY has given any feedback stating misuse otherwise, so I assumed my mod was correct in its original design as posted.

Other than the legion of Merit (which has several levels but is not in the Sim)
Legion of Merit.. ? Levels not in the Sim? Again, 5/7 medals are supported in SH4, and the remaining ones can not be added without modification to the .exe itself which would be extremely difficult to incorporate without full-source code of the game.

Medals are issued according to the normal default game rules which are contained in the .exe itself. The .exe has not been altered in any way, since I did not want to undergo additional hours to reverse engineer and fix whatever I thought should be fixed based on how I wanted the code to be written from a developers perspective. In fact, the whole mod itself is an aesthetic mod and has nothing to do with whatever the hell the original .exe does as long as the end result equates to what is supposed to be as what one might call 'the status quo'.

Rather, I altered the representation of what needs to be displayed and issued the naming conventions to what needed to be. The mod name itself clearly explains what it does and what was done. If you have trouble figuring out why I did what I did, read the tutorial I posted for what it was I interpreted as doing what I needed to do based upon how the orig. game designers did what they did. It is clearly obvious to me that a quick hack was done by UBI in-house developers as an add-on to SH3 in its original design in prep for SH4. OBVIOUS AS HELL without a questionable doubt or there wouldn't have been a need for a mod fix. For the record, I still get replies from people spending over a month on trying to do what I had done in less than 1 week... why re-invent the wheel yo? Use my medals fix or step up to the plate and send me email stating its flaws.

[Ruahrc]

Hi there

If you still care, as I think it's been a while since you've released it, but I saw your work on fixing the medal images/assignments. I was never satisfied with the ones included in TMO as the image quality of the medals was pretty low.

Here's my thoughts:

If I am reading it correctly, the CMOH is replaced by the APCM (at least for the TMO version). In my game I rearranged the ordering of the medals to try to better reflect a realistic awarding. According to what I read (wikipedia, and the previous discussions on the forums), the APCM was awarded to anybody who served in the theatre, so really IMO it should be the first medal to be gained. Next would be the Navy Commendation Medal I guess because it is listed as being "lower" than the bronze star. So then after the NCM I have the Bronze Star Medal, then Silver Star, then the highest medal being the Navy Cross. This seems to be the correct "historical" order where each medal is one step more prestigious than the last, the only medal being more prestigious than the Navy Cross being the CMOH. Everything I can tell points to the Purple Heart being a special condition medal in the game and not really in "rank" with the other ones, but awarded based on injury/damage/death in the game- and it seems to work properly as is in the game.

I made the change by reassigning the ID= and MedalDisplayName= values to correct the order, assuming that the stock game was displaying correctly the original medals. So the CMOH becomes the Navy Cross, NAvy cross becomes the Silver star, etc. and on down. That way even though you may win the "bronze star" in the game, because all the medals are offset then you will actually be awarded the Navy Commendation medal, etc.

HAven't had a chance to fully test that the awarding is working correct, but I hacked a saved career file to "award" myself the various medals and everything was showing up consistently. The crew medals are also showing consistently as well.

A small technical note regaring the large medal pictures (when you click on the medals box in the office). On my system they were showing up distorted on my screen (looked like they were stretched horizontally, or squished vertically). I think it is because you were using the stock zone settings for the entries in menu_1024_768.ini but your new graphics did not match the aspect ratio of the original entries. The stock graphics were using something like 256x432 px but yours were all 200x416, meaning they got stretched a little. The easy fix is to change the "display" type from 2 (linear stretch) to 1 (centered) which will put the image at native size in the center of the defined zone. Then you get significantly crisper (because of 1:1 pixel reproduction) and correct aspect medals. The hard fix would be to fix the graphic file you made such that each medal would have its "cutout" zone be the standard 256x432 pixels and would map better using the stock zone settings, the advantage here is if you could get good source material you could make the medal graphic larger. But as it is, just changing the display= type to 1 will fix the scaling issue and give a very nice looking graphic in the game.

The last "issue" is that the awards in the 3D medal box still don't show correctly. In my legit career, I have earned the APCM twice (lowest medal rank) and when I open the medal box it has a purple heart sitting in the upper left corner. I am not sure what controls this, but in the long run the CaptainsRoom.dat file needs to be recompiled anyways with different 3D models of the medals to match the TMO replacements. But for me it's good enough as is. BTW, if you DL and install the Latency mod for TMO you will not get the medals to show in the 3D medal box because the TMO mod includes a new Captainsroom.dat file which has cut out the 3D medals in it (because they did not work properly). You will have to remove that file from the TMO mod and let the stock one remain so that you can get the 3D medals to show.

Norman