How to fix illegal immigration into the US...And solve the gas crisis

[SUBMAN1]

Makes sense I guess!

-S

Bush wants us to cut the amount of gas we use. The best way to stop using so much gas is to deport 11million illegal immigrants! That would be 11 million less people using our gas. The price of gas would come down. Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the borders . When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Iraq . Tell him if he wants to come to America then he must serve a tour in the military. Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it. After his tour, he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country. He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal patriot. This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the troops in Iraq and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves. If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, without the canteen, rifle or ammo. Problem solved.

[Letum]

Well, that's fairly despicable.....:shifty:

I suppose it is better than Hitler who fixed illegal immigration into Germany....but used more gas to do so.


Humor doesn't get much more dark or cynical then that folks!

[SUBMAN1]

Well, that's fairly despicable.....:shifty:

I suppose it is better than Hitler who fixed illegal immigration into Germany....but used more gas to do so.


Humor doesn't get much more dark or cynical then that folks!

Whats wrong with it exactly? :D

[jumpy]

Well, that's fairly despicable.....:shifty:

I suppose it is better than Hitler who fixed illegal immigration into Germany....but used more gas to do so.


Humor doesn't get much more dark or cynical then that folks!

oooh, pointy sharp wit :lol:

[Rilder]

Are you sure you wanna give illegal immigrants guns?

[SUBMAN1]

Are you sure you wanna give illegal immigrants guns?
In my mind, any man willing to stand up and fight for our country should be allowed to enter (as long as they don't have a hidden agenda). If they don't want to fight for the country and its values, why would you want them in the first place?

-S

[Penelope_Grey]

you know, you don't have to pick up a gun and a hand grenade in order to fight for your country. Not all warriors wear fatigues.

Also the US could try making thier cars more economical instead of the usual gas guzzlers. I think that would do a lot more for fuel problems than kicking out illegal immigrants. I fail to see how kicking out 11 million illegal immigrants will solve the gas problems. Sounds to me like an excuse to drop the hammer on the illegal immigrants. Pity Tony Blair wouldn't do the same for us!

[SUBMAN1]

you know, you don't have to pick up a gun and a hand grenade in order to fight for your country. Not all warriors wear fatigues.

Also the US could try making thier cars more economical instead of the usual gas guzzlers. I think that would do a lot more for fuel problems than kicking out illegal immigrants. I fail to see how kicking out 11 million illegal immigrants will solve the gas problems. Sounds to me like an excuse to drop the hammer on the illegal immigrants. Pity Tony Blair wouldn't do the same for us!
Hmm - Illegally in the country, and they should be allowed to stay why exactly?

ANd don't even get me started on alternative fuel sources. Nickel Metal Hydrid plants destroy the environment way more than the tiny amount of fuel they save - you should see the one in Canada - Everything is dead around it for miles. It takes 3 gallons of gas to make one gallon of ethenol - thats energy savings for you. Bio Diesel requires Palm oil in its production, so now we have Indonisia tearing down all their forests at alarming rate to boost palm production - just great.

Almost any technology besides Hydrogen is harmful to the environment.

-S

PS. Incase you didn't know, it is impossible to sell an SUV over here now, so don't say anything about getting rid of SUV's.

PPS. We still live in a violent world, and yes, picking up a gun and putting ones self in harms way is the ultimate show of how you feel about your country or intended country.

[Penelope_Grey]

I never said they should be allowed to stay so I don't know why you asked me that question. I suggested that Bush was taking a shortcut, saying if I get rid of immigrants the gas problem will be solved which makes no sense to me at all.

So why can't cars be hydrogen powered? Use that instead. Also bear in mind, if Japan and Germany were able to make fuel from means other than oil why can't it be done today? The technology and knowhow must exist.

P.S I have not got any issue with "SUV's" because they are a prime and easy target for motoring lobbies, if they have to go, then its only fair all the other vehicles which are a threat to road safety and the enviroment go to, like vans, lorries, luxury saloons, ridiculously fast sport cars etc etc..

PPS. Have you ever been charged with assault? Because you seem like the sort who would throw a punch and ask questions later. Its kind of regretful in a way that you feel in order to show ones bravery or loyalty to their country is through military means only.

[SUBMAN1]

I never said they should be allowed to stay so I don't know why you asked me that question. I suggested that Bush was taking a shortcut, saying if I get rid of immigrants the gas problem will be solved which makes no sense to me at all.

Because you made this statement:

"I fail to see how kicking out 11 million illegal immigrants will solve the gas problems. Sounds to me like an excuse to drop the hammer on the illegal immigrants."

The point is, they all drive! :D That's a pretty hefty percentage!


So why can't cars be hydrogen powered? Use that instead. Also bear in mind, if Japan and Germany were able to make fuel from means other than oil why can't it be done today? The technology and knowhow must exist.
Hydrogen takes a tremendous amount of electricity simply to create from water. Iceland may be on to something, but so far I think it is still out of reach.

P.S I have not got any issue with "SUV's" because they are a prime and easy target for motoring lobbies, if they have to go, then its only fair all the other vehicles which are a threat to road safety and the enviroment go to, like vans, lorries, luxury saloons, ridiculously fast sport cars etc etc..
THe funny thing is, the ridiculously fast sports cars typically get some of the better gas mileage! My main car gets 30 MPG, so I am not part of the problem either.

PPS. Have you ever been charged with assault? Because you seem like the sort who would throw a punch and ask questions later. Its kind of regretful in a way that you feel in order to show ones bravery or loyalty to their country is through military means only.
Ouch - a personal attack for simple disagreeing. I won't even comment.

[Yahoshua]

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The gas problem isn't necessarily going to help with the deportation of illegal immigrants (thinking of the gas needed to deport them here), but doing so will be offset by the reduction in costs of healthcare, uninsured insurance rates will virtually dissapear, and we only keep the immigrants that actually want to stay here legally and fight for our nation to prove their desire.

Not that it will ever happen since every sewer-roaming politician in the U.S. wants the illegals to vote for them.

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[Penelope_Grey]

Ouch - a personal attack for simple disagreeing. I won't even comment.

Well in the New Cold War thread, you asked had I ever been out of my cage!:huh:

It was not my intention to offend you, and so I humbly apologise for that. But It is the truth, you can be rather gruff, and you seem to think that waving a gun about and using force is the best way to handle things. Which I find a bit intimidating if I am honest, because the way you word posts to me, I dunno... I feel a bit inadaquate and cheap. Or maybe I am just being paranoid? I asked if you had been done for assault because it was the first thing that popped into my head so I typed it out, because I had a vision in my head of a punch being thrown and then a question being asked afterwards. I didn't think my reply out that well and I reiterate, I apologise.

Also, coming back to the point, how do you know ALL the illegal immigrants drive? 11 million out of 11 million illegal immigrands all driving cars?! If they are illegal immigrants, chances are they have fake names, fake ids and are working for cash in hand, they probably can barely even afford a gallon of petrol for a car, much less the car itself! So how is turfing out illegal immigrants going to solve a gas problem? really?

Unless wages in the US really are that good for even the most menial cash in hand jobs? I'm just saying to me, turf out the immigrants if you want, but looks like Bush is just using that as a quick solution, and I fail to see how it will be that effective, even if every sinlge one of the 11 million immigrants drove and owned a car, compare 11 million to the total US population which must be upward of 300 million at least. How is that going to make any kind of dent in the gas problem?

At the start of the thread, you say this makes sense, how!?:hmm:

[Foghladh_mhara]

And there was me thinking America was a nation of immigrants:hmm:

[Skybird]

Are you sure you wanna give illegal immigrants guns?
In my mind, any man willing to stand up and fight for our country should be allowed to enter (as long as they don't have a hidden agenda). If they don't want to fight for the country and its values, why would you want them in the first place?

-S

(whispering sweet as candy through a bush of flowers): Do you know how many "aliens" are fighting in the US armed forces to earn themselves US state citizenship by that? Hint: a US journalist some time ago on German TV described the situation in the non-officer ranks as "America's mercenary army".... It's a mean way to get citizenship in the US. And the US makes maximum use of this bad habit. Vietnam had more aliens in the US army then WWII. Iraq has more aliens in the US army than Vietnam. Compare: WWII had more WASP-Americans in the army than Vietnam. Vietnam had more WASP-Americans in the army than Iraq.

[Tchocky]

Bush wants us to cut the amount of gas we use. The best way to stop using so much gas is to deport 11million illegal immigrants! That would be 11 million less people using our gas. The price of gas would come down. If the price of gas were to fall, would you buy more, or less?
Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the borders . When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Iraq . Tell him if he wants to come to America then he must serve a tour in the military. Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it. After his tour, he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country. He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal patriot. This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the troops in Iraq and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves. If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, without the canteen, rifle or ammo. Problem solved. Lolz....loving the idea of a "legal patriot".
Very funny, forced military service deters immigration, providing a "solution" for the soldiers in Iraq. This suffers the same problem as the "cut gas usage by cutting gas prices" idea.
Military service doesn't always mean defending your country, Iraw seems to be a matter of opinion rather than consensus.

[ASWnut101]

If the price of gas were to fall, would you buy more, or less?



I'd buy something else with the money I saved from it.

[SUBMAN1]

If the price of gas were to fall, would you buy more, or less?


I'd buy something else with the money I saved from it.

Anyone heard of investing it instead? But still, that is the best answer yet.

-S

[ASWnut101]

If the price of gas were to fall, would you buy more, or less?


I'd buy something else with the money I saved from it.

Anyone heard of investing it instead? But still, that is the best answer yet.

-S

I've already got stuff invested. Hence why I almost freaked when the stock market dropped so suddenly.

[Tchocky]

I'd buy something else with the money I saved from it.Of course, if the price was falling from a natural level. But, if the price was already artificially high (Iraq/Iran instability etc), and the price fell, you would surely resume your previous level of consumption. It stands to reason that gasoline, like almost ever other good, is consumed in greater amounts as the price falls. Law of demand etc.
A much easier way of reducing the amount of gas used would be to increase the price.

[ASWnut101]

I'd buy something else with the money I saved from it.Of course, if the price was falling from a natural level. But, if the price was already artificially high (Iraq/Iran instability etc), and the price fell, you would surely resume your previous level of consumption. It stands to reason that gasoline, like almost ever other good, is consumed in greater amounts as the price falls. Law of demand etc.
A much easier way of reducing the amount of gas used would be to increase the price.

Sure it might work, but it wont. Gas companies (Eexon, Mobil, BP, etc.) still want their money. Someone will come along with an insainly low price, and the cycle continues.

[Tchocky]

Sure it might work, but it wont. Gas companies (Eexon, Mobil, BP, etc.) still want their money. Someone will come along with an insainly low price, and the cycle continues.
But what definitely won't work is reducing gas usage by lowering the price, no matter how much the OP wants it to.

[ASWnut101]

I don't see where your getting at, but ok...

[SUBMAN1]

Well in the New Cold War thread, you asked had I ever been out of my cage!:huh:

I did say that, but if you read the whole thread, you would understand where that came from. If you don't read the whole thread, yeah, I could see how that might be taken the wrong way. I do not mean anything negative by it - just that you may not have been exposed to freedom the way I have.

Or maybe I am just being paranoid?

You are being paranoid! :D I do have strong opinions, as you know, and I voice them, sometimes. Lately I've been voicing them too, but next month I may be more quiet. If I am coming across too rough though, let me know.

And to answer your question, no, I have a perfectly clean record. If you followed the CPP threads, you would know I have one and if you ever have an assualt charge on your record, you can't have a CPP (for obvious reasons. They don't want you shooting anyone because you go off have cocked!). Besides, talking is much more constructive and fun when you show them their error!

By the way, sorry if I have offended you.

Also, coming back to the point, how do you know ALL the illegal immigrants drive? 11 million out of 11 million illegal immigrands all driving cars?! If they are illegal immigrants, chances are they have fake names, fake ids and are working for cash in hand, they probably can barely even afford a gallon of petrol for a car, much less the car itself! So how is turfing out illegal immigrants going to solve a gas problem? really?

I wish this was the case. Yes, they even drive gas guzzlers. They probably wear better clothes than you - decked out in Nike outfits, etc. One of the businesses my father owns is a daycare, and he does accept some kids who are subsidized by the state. Some of them are probably as you imagine, but the majority will drive decent cars, and have as many children as they can get. They never get married either. Why? Welfare. Every kid they have is a paycheck from the state - the more, the bigger the check. To get married would actually make the paycheck smaller based on the rules, so you can't do that. The men typically go out and work contruction, etc., under the table if they can. They don't pay taxes either, or contribute in any way positively, especially when you realize that they undercut people who actually want to take these jobs. Actually, I could go on and on with what I have seen, but the bottom line is, they are not poor. Maybe when they first get here and before they become established, but that will only last so long.

Somewhere in this General thread is the estimated costs of a typical state like Colorado to support illegal aliens over a 1 year period. That number is not in the millions either, try billions in tax payer funded $$$ to support people that should not be here in the first place.

Anyway, the point is, do not think for a second that they are poor. They may not be rich either, but yes, they drive and pay for gas, and burn it.

Unless wages in the US really are that good for even the most menial cash in hand jobs? I'm just saying to me, turf out the immigrants if you want, but looks like Bush is just using that as a quick solution, and I fail to see how it will be that effective, even if every sinlge one of the 11 million immigrants drove and owned a car, compare 11 million to the total US population which must be upward of 300 million at least. How is that going to make any kind of dent in the gas problem?

Its another at least few million cars off the road. Its all a percentage thing. I guess you would have to get into a cost analysis to figure it out, but thats for the guys who like statistics. But if they help bring peace to the middle east, the gas crisis can be averted anyway! So there's your answer! :p

At the start of the thread, you say this makes sense, how!?:hmm:

That quote is more for fun than to be completely serious, but it is an idea only. But in all seriousness, if they take up arms and want to defend our country, I'd say give them a path to citizenship. I wouldn't even bat an eye.

-S

[Tchocky]

I don't see where your getting at, but ok...
This bit from the original post - Bush wants us to cut the amount of gas we use. The best way to stop using so much gas is to deport 11million illegal immigrants! That would be 11 million less people using our gas. The price of gas would come down.


Doesn't make any sense

[ASWnut101]

It does. If less people use gas, there's more gas to go around. Simple supply and demand.

[Foghladh_mhara]

As a matter of interest what is the price of petrol in the US now?

[SUBMAN1]

As a matter of interest what is the price of petrol in the US now?

I only buy 92 Octane, and i pay about $2.80 a gallon.

-S

[ASWnut101]

Well really, it depends on where you live. I'm getting mine at ~$2.60/gallon at this moment.

[SUBMAN1]

Well really, it depends on where you live. I'm getting mine at ~$2.60/gallon at this moment.

Is that for 87 Octane?

[ASWnut101]

Heh, I don't check those numbers. All I know is that it's the "normal" gas. (out of 'normal,' 'super' and 'supreme'). :oops:

[Foghladh_mhara]

That gallon would cost you $4.10 in Ireland right now and thats a good price!

[SUBMAN1]

Heh, I don't check those numbers. All I know is that it's the "normal" gas. (out of 'normal,' 'super' and 'supreme'). :oops:

Normal is 87

[SUBMAN1]

That gallon would cost you $4.10 in Ireland right now and thats a good price!

Ouch. We need that over here for a bit too. The prices i mean. That would get the rest of the SUV's that are used for daily commutes off the road! You might have to pay a bit more for product, but thats all the name of the game.

-S

[ASWnut101]

Heh, I don't check those numbers. All I know is that it's the "normal" gas. (out of 'normal,' 'super' and 'supreme'). :oops:

Normal is 87

Ah, but the normal increase in price here is about 9 cents/gallon for each "upgrade."

[Foghladh_mhara]

Well the Green party are proposing a 20% hike over the next few years to encourage less usage as part of their election manifesto. Weird though I dont see that as being a very high price. Guess I'm immune to it now

[Iceman]

Are you sure you wanna give illegal immigrants guns?
In my mind, any man willing to stand up and fight for our country should be allowed to enter (as long as they don't have a hidden agenda). If they don't want to fight for the country and its values, why would you want them in the first place?

-S

(whispering sweet as candy through a bush of flowers): Do you know how many "aliens" are fighting in the US armed forces to earn themselves US state citizenship by that? Hint: a US journalist some time ago on German TV described the situation in the non-officer ranks as "America's mercenary army".... It's a mean way to get citizenship in the US. And the US makes maximum use of this bad habit. Vietnam had more aliens in the US army then WWII. Iraq has more aliens in the US army than Vietnam. Compare: WWII had more WASP-Americans in the army than Vietnam. Vietnam had more WASP-Americans in the army than Iraq.

Get your facts straight there dude!....Aliens and ILLEGAL...you know ILLEGAL.....same as "NOT LEGAL".....do Not dare compare Alien to ILLEGAL Alien...as in jumping the fence...non-tax paying...non draft registering....

When a person in the United States has a fence posted KEEP OUT..then when a person enters without permission he is violating tha LAW of our country...

America is a great melting pot of millions of people from all over the world who entered this country lawfully and paid whatever due they had too...to put ILLEGAL Aliens in the same category is a spit in the face of the law and takes a big fat dump on it....

Save you Bush Bashing BS Skybird....you call it a bad habit...no one is forcing them so please sit back down please you are hurting my ears with that non-sense.


From Arizona...home of the "Illegal Aliens"

http://www.illegalaliens.us/images/tom_tancredo.jpg

[Ishmael]

Bring our troops home from Iraq & reconquer Mexico. They have gas, they're a lot closer & half of them would move to the US anyway. Let them trade their corruption with our corruption. All that & Spanish is easier to learn than Arabic. I know we can do it because my ancestor, Gen. Winfield Scott, already did it once. Now that we've settled that pesky slavery question, it should be a cakewalk. We'll be greeted as liberators & given candy & flowers.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Bring our troops home from Iraq & reconquer Mexico. They have gas, they're a lot closer & half of them would move to the US anyway. Let them trade their corruption with our corruption. All that & Spanish is easier to learn than Arabic. I know we can do it because my ancestor, Gen. Winfield Scott, already did it once. Now that we've settled that pesky slavery question, it should be a cakewalk. We'll be greeted as liberators & given candy & flowers.

There's a reason we didn't want to keep that place. Oh, and personally I thought Arabic was way easier than Spanish.

PD

[Penelope_Grey]

@subman

2 things, 1) even if illegal immigrants are as well off as you say, and even if all 11 million of them drive, that is just a perverbial drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the US population. So I personally don't see that as making a rather big difference. But that is just my view of it as a 3rd party. It will help slightly certainly, but solve the problem it will not.

2) As I say, you love your military and I think you puff out your chest at that thought too. But....... there are other ways to show dedication to the country you are in, not just saying "gimme a gun at let me fight for you" What about the immigrant that is not afraid of hard honest work? Surely they must count.

@Iceman

When a person in the United States has a fence posted KEEP OUT..then when a person enters without permission he is violating tha LAW of our country...

America is a great melting pot of millions of people from all over the world who entered this country lawfully and paid whatever due they had too...to put ILLEGAL Aliens in the same category is a spit in the face of the law and takes a big fat dump on it....

See thinking about this logically, you go back a couple of hundred years and well, you did the exact same thing to the native Americans didn't you? (Granted they didn't have laws like we know it) It wasn't your land, your country, but when you moved westward you took it from them, with force if need be was that paying the due? So its kind of an irony when modern day Americans complain about illegal immigration. Considering only a few hundred years back you did the exact same thing and took a dump on a culture that was already established, herded them up and stuck them on reservations out of the way and gave them casino rights. They had to make do. Illegal immigrants enter any way they can and take what they want, you might think this sounds anti-American but I just can't help but see the similarities.

[Dowly]

Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the borders . When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Iraq . Tell him if he wants to come to America then he must serve a tour in the military. Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it. After his tour, he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country. He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal patriot. This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the troops in Iraq and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves. If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, without the canteen, rifle or ammo. Problem solved.

I like this idea. Then when america would boast on how they won some future war, I would just say: Nope, wasnt you, it was the mexicans. :rotfl:

[Iceman]

@subman

2 things, 1) even if illegal immigrants are as well off as you say, and even if all 11 million of them drive, that is just a perverbial drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the US population. So I personally don't see that as making a rather big difference. But that is just my view of it as a 3rd party. It will help slightly certainly, but solve the problem it will not.

2) As I say, you love your military and I think you puff out your chest at that thought too. But....... there are other ways to show dedication to the country you are in, not just saying "gimme a gun at let me fight for you" What about the immigrant that is not afraid of hard honest work? Surely they must count.

@Iceman

When a person in the United States has a fence posted KEEP OUT..then when a person enters without permission he is violating tha LAW of our country...

America is a great melting pot of millions of people from all over the world who entered this country lawfully and paid whatever due they had too...to put ILLEGAL Aliens in the same category is a spit in the face of the law and takes a big fat dump on it....

See thinking about this logically, you go back a couple of hundred years and well, you did the exact same thing to the native Americans didn't you? (Granted they didn't have laws like we know it) It wasn't your land, your country, but when you moved westward you took it from them, with force if need be was that paying the due? So its kind of an irony when modern day Americans complain about illegal immigration. Considering only a few hundred years back you did the exact same thing and took a dump on a culture that was already established, herded them up and stuck them on reservations out of the way and gave them casino rights. They had to make do. Illegal immigrants enter any way they can and take what they want, you might think this sounds anti-American but I just can't help but see the similarities.

So by your logic we should scalp em?

[Yahoshua]

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*edited* Sry. I tried to check the depth of the water with both feet and turned out wrong.

[The Avon Lady]

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Just injecting a bit of history here: It was actually the French and the Brit fur trappers who introduced the concept of scalping when they came to the americas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping

No. The article doesn't state that. Read carefully.

[FIREWALL]

Scalping is alive and thriveing. Don't beleive me!
Go stand outside a stadium during playoffs.

[Wim Libaers]

So why can't cars be hydrogen powered? Use that instead. Also bear in mind, if Japan and Germany were able to make fuel from means other than oil why can't it be done today? The technology and knowhow must exist.


Liquid fuel from wood or coal is not particularly difficult (much of the organic chemistry industry depended on coal before they switched to oil, they could go back), but less efficient and more expensive than just pumping the liquid out of the ground and refining.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

[The Avon Lady]

even if illegal immigrants are as well off as you say, and even if all 11 million of them drive, that is just a perverbial drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the US population. So I personally don't see that as making a rather big difference. But that is just my view of it as a 3rd party. It will help slightly certainly, but solve the problem it will not.
I've linked to this several times in the past.

Have you watched Immigration Gumballs (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-6938488490922460684&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=gumball+immigration&vidurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dn7WJeqxuOfQ&usg=AL29H23ZeRk6PgVui33giSjC5L-5RwWyXg)?

[Letum]

even if illegal immigrants are as well off as you say, and even if all 11 million of them drive, that is just a proverbial drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the US population. So I personally don't see that as making a rather big difference. But that is just my view of it as a 3rd party. It will help slightly certainly, but solve the problem it will not. I've linked to this several times in the past.

Have you watched Immigration Gumballs (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-6938488490922460684&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=gumball+immigration&vidurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dn7WJeqxuOfQ&usg=AL29H23ZeRk6PgVui33giSjC5L-5RwWyXg)?

Surely your not anti-immigration Avon?

After all, you are part of one of the most dramatic immigrant groups of the last generation.

[The Avon Lady]

even if illegal immigrants are as well off as you say, and even if all 11 million of them drive, that is just a proverbial drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the US population. So I personally don't see that as making a rather big difference. But that is just my view of it as a 3rd party. It will help slightly certainly, but solve the problem it will not. I've linked to this several times in the past.

Have you watched Immigration Gumballs (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-6938488490922460684&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=gumball+immigration&vidurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dn7WJeqxuOfQ&usg=AL29H23ZeRk6PgVui33giSjC5L-5RwWyXg)?

Surely your not anti-immigration Avon?

After all, you are part of one of the most dramatic immigrant groups of the last generation.
I am anti-open-border immigration. I'm all for controlled immigration.

Try again.

[Letum]

I am anti-open-border immigration. I'm all for controlled immigration.

Try again.

So you do not condone the vast amounts of illegal Jewish immigration in in the 1940s and 50s? :hmm:

What do you mean by "Try again" ? What is it that you think I am trying to do?

[The Avon Lady]

I am anti-open-border immigration. I'm all for controlled immigration.

Try again.
So you do not condone the vast amounts of illegal Jewish immigration in in the 1940s and 50s? :hmm:
50's? :nope:

I do not condone the British White Paper, which disregarded the League of Nations Mandate. I mean, if you want to talk about illegal................. :roll:

And never mind those Jews that were fleeing Europe in the late 30's and early 40's because of what Hitler wanted to do to them, who had nowehere else to run to because most of the world closed its doors on them.

What do you mean by "Try again" ? What is it that you think I am trying to do?
Bring out the hypocrisy in me.

Try again.

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Well, that's fairly despicable.....:shifty:

I suppose it is better than Hitler who fixed illegal immigration into Germany....but used more gas to do so.
Humor doesn't get much more dark or cynical then that folks!
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It's one idea, with the illegal aliens. Rather than shipping them off to Iraq to die for Republican corporatism and oil companies, I'd rather put them to work for the ACE (Army Corps of Engineers). There are so many projects that need work if our bloody Congress would just fund them (instead of shipping $10 billion off to their own state pork projects).

California needs a string of nuclear desalination plants so they'd stop sucking water from the Colorado. All the Bible Belt states need levees and wetlands worked on along the Mississippi. We need to expand our railways instead of using semi-trucks. There is plenty of cleanup to do in Florida and Mississippi, as well as Louisiana, from the past 4 hurricanes that have come through there. The Mississippi delta needs dredging and water-breaks installed at various points. Plenty of areas with ground-water arsenic deposits and other contaminants that need to be evaulated and a solution (to clean drinking water) found.

Roosevelt called it the "CCC". We need another CCC, and I'd like to make it a part of border security. Secure the borders, give the illegals 6 months to register (fingerprints, photos, retinal and iris scans, DNA samples, matching against criminal database), and have them work for the CCC and spanish language classes as visiting native speakers (especially in our high-schools, but colleges, too).