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Kumando
03-21-07, 10:28 AM
Hi fellow Kaleuns, with the recent release of Sh4 im geting afraid that modding in Sh3 will stop and due to this we will never get wolfpacks wich i think is the main feature missing in SH3. Sh4 may turn out to be a good game but the PTO compared to Atlantic... Its just not the same thing it lacks mystique. So i hope our fellow modders dont forget our beloved SH3
danlisa
03-21-07, 10:43 AM
NEVER
Besides, some of the modders I know, 1)have no interest in a PTO & 2)can't even run SH4 at the moment.
As for wolfpacks, if it can be done (properly) then it will be:yep:, if not then you can be assured that this is due to the limitation in the SH3 coding, which we can't change. It won't be for a want of trying.;)
Wolfpacks are a must have in many people's eyes.(aswell as AI torpedos)
bigboywooly
03-21-07, 10:45 AM
Perhaps Ubi may release the SDK one of these days
Aside from that it wont die
A lot of ppl will play both or stay with SH3
I am
No interest in the PTO as Dan said
Plus my rig wont play it
Meh
You shouldn't fear anything. SH3 is special considering the way its matured. GWX is soon to receive a small bug fix and there is a main content patch due for release sometime in the future. The future looks bright for SH3 really. So much progress has been made in crafting a brilliant realistic and authentic Atlantic experience. Hell over in the SH4 forum the aren't even sure whether the game is worth buying yet! To me it seems as if there are many more problems with SH4 at release than there were with SH3.
So we needn't worry. Sure there will be some bleed off but it will be well over a year before we see SH4 getting any kind of modding that could rival SH3.
Besides if you read in one thread I explain exactly why I love the Atlantic more than the sunny Pacific.
Keep up the good work wolves. We ain't dead yet. :up:
Kumando
03-21-07, 10:51 AM
We should make a petition or something demanding SDK for SH3.
nikbear
03-21-07, 10:59 AM
Not by me,I'm enjoying SH3 and GWX far to much to be interested in SH4 just yet,I'll probably get it eventually but I'm in no hurry,being a U-boat captain is just so much more interesting than being in the pacific.And anyway with all the Mods out there for SH3 there's years of atlantic shenanagins to be getting on with:ping: :arrgh!: :rock: :up:
SH3 With GWX Will Never, Never, Ever Die
danurve
03-21-07, 11:03 AM
We should make a petition or something demanding SDK for SH3.
I have to disagree.
While it would be in our interest to for the Modders to have access to this file it is the property of UBIsoft. You nor I are in no position nor have the right to demand this property from them.
You can always ask nicely though.:know:
http://mysh3.info/WAC/images/wac_2.jpg
poor sailor
03-21-07, 11:12 AM
I also have not interest on Pacific. The German U-boats are much interesting for me, and the answer is: Long live SH3:rock: . Maybe the developers will bring back a SH5 to Atlantic theater, but until then I'm with SH3!
kiwi_2005
03-21-07, 11:21 AM
Im looking forward to SHIV, but that doesn't mean its the end of SH3 for me. SH3 will still be on my hdd and i will still play it.
Im looking forward to SHIV, but that doesn't mean its the end of SH3 for me. SH3 will still be on my hdd and i will still play it. SH3 hasn't been off my hard drive since... well look at my join date. :D
We should make a petition or something demanding SDK for SH3.
I have to disagree.
While it would be in our interest to for the Modders to have access to this file it is the property of UBIsoft. You nor I are in no position nor have the right to demand this property from them.
You can always ask nicely though.:know:
I doubt very much Ubi will just hand out the code for SHIII... or any of it's games. You might buy it tho if yer wallet is big enough. ;)
Never demand anything.... it could bite you. :roll: :yep:
nvdrifter
03-21-07, 11:26 AM
I think the question should be 'Will Silent Hunter 4 be forgotten?'. After reading all the negative posts in the SH4 forum, I wouldn't be surprised if it will never be patched correctly. Total disaster of a release. :dead:
Penelope_Grey
03-21-07, 11:27 AM
My older brother has sent off for SH4, he may be using it, but me, I am sticking to SH3 for now, and for evermore. I refuse to give it up!
A Silent Hunter 5? oooh
Apologies for my ignorance, but what's SDK?
Kumando
03-21-07, 11:32 AM
We should make a petition or something demanding SDK for SH3.
I have to disagree.
While it would be in our interest to for the Modders to have access to this file it is the property of UBIsoft. You nor I are in no position nor have the right to demand this property from them.
You can always ask nicely though.:know:
I doubt very much Ubi will just hand out the code for SHIII... or any of it's games. You might buy it tho if yer wallet is big enough. ;)
Never demand anything.... it could bite you. :roll: :yep:
Other game companies have done it for free, why not Ubi?
Foghladh_mhara
03-21-07, 11:37 AM
I think SH3 is the one for me for a while yet. I've just discovered that if you change to german in the options menu you get cool cheering when ya sink a ship and those morse code sounds when ya receive a message. I also discovered that if you change the keyboard to french by mistake and press the M key to see the message you end up diving. I didn't know what the hell was going on:D
Apologies for my ignorance, but what's SDK?
Source Development Kit. Its that neat little package that lets you do to the game what the devs did. Imagine what GWX would be with THAT!
I'm a loooong way from having exhausted the challenges of SHIII and have little interest in PTO. Where we should encourage Ubi is to come out with a wolfpack version of SH III, which would incorporate GWX. by the time this SHIIIB comes out, there will be lots of SHIV people ready to return to the Atlantic, thus it would be good business for UBI to start working on SHIIIB :up: (Notice, I'm not a Ubi basher. Ubi has done great stuff. Without them there would be no SHIII or GWX, or us. :sunny:
Kumando
03-21-07, 11:43 AM
Apologies for my ignorance, but what's SDK?
Source Development Kit. Its that neat little package that lets you do to the game what the devs did. Imagine what GWX would be with THAT!
Amen to that:p
Steppenwolf
03-21-07, 11:44 AM
Apologies for my ignorance, but what's SDK?
SDK = Software Development (or Developer's) Kit.
The simple definition is that it's the tools used by the original developers in making the game. You've probably seen references in other posts to people saying something cannot be changed in the game because it is "hard coded", this would enable modders to change those things.
EDIT: See P Funk beat me to it.
Corsair
03-21-07, 11:49 AM
Good games with a strong community don't die easy... Yesterday I downloaded the 1.01 patch for FFUR/SLX 2007 mod for Operation Flashpoint. Falcon 4.0 is still alive besides Falcon 4 AF. IL2 still flies after 5 years. If you have a look at SimHQ, you will see people still releasing updates and mods for European Air War, F22 Total Air War or even Red Baron...:D So until there is a new (and better) U boat sim available - which doesn't seem to be in the near future, I don't see why SH3 + supermods would disappear.
I've been to long in the atlantic to just "give it up". SHIV is a great game, dont misunderstand, but i have more "feelings" for the atlantic theatre... Oh, i wish that Ubisoft could make a "SHIII" with the graphics of SHIV (Atleast an atlantic WWII theatre...) Well, just my 0.99$....:roll:
HunterICX
03-21-07, 11:50 AM
It will never die :)
I just cant resist the Hospitality of the British.
Corsair
03-21-07, 11:53 AM
From what I read in the SH4 forum, the graphic quality doesn't seem to be the strong point of SH4 in the moment. Most complaints come from the upscaled 1024x768 3D resolutions...
Jimbuna
03-21-07, 11:55 AM
It will never die :)
I just cant resist the Hospitality of the British.
Well put matey :yep:
SH3/GWX :rock:
From what I've seen, SH 4 comes to me like a "SH 3 Pacific Campaign" with gimmicks I can't use anyway because my comp is not top of the quarter. I mean, they even used the same sound files, game routines, etc, that's just not enough new features for me to justify buying new hardware and playing a buggy, unmodded, unpatched game.
Cheers,
AndyW
SH3 and SH4 are in fact not in direct competition, like SH1 & AOD weren't. They provide different theatres, that's all...so gamers will either play the one they prefer or simply both. Nope, SH3 will not be abandoned until a better U-Boot game comes out, which was what killed SH2 :ping:
Well to tell you the truth so long as the SH3 killer absords all of the then defunkt SH3 fans then I'll be happy cause we'll all still be there prattling on about some bollocks to do with escort sensors.:up:
ANd I totally get what _Seth_ means. Theres this romantic attachment I have for SH3. Not much is gonna change that.
Hakahura
03-21-07, 12:52 PM
:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
SH3 + GWX + SH3 COMMANDER + SH3 GENERATOR
:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
These things work and look awesome. I'm not ready for a change to the unproven Pacific.
Jimbuna
03-21-07, 01:09 PM
I'm not ready for a change to the unproven Pacific.
Anyway....it's full of sharks!! :arrgh!:
I just cant resist the Hospitality of the British.
Up yours :p
Only joking. :yep:
Fancy a cup of tea and a biscuit? ;) :)
Hakahura
03-21-07, 01:26 PM
Bravo. Tea and Tiffin for all.:D
bigboywooly
03-21-07, 01:27 PM
Tea and Tiffin
What Ho old bean
:rotfl:
My rig cant play SH4 - not that I want to - but I will probably get the game to see what the files are like - when it drops in price lol
Although first reports I have had are that the shipping isnt interchangable
Wonder if the Harbour dat is though :hmm:
Mind you moving cranes would kill the FPS in port
Best we can hope for is for the Atlantic to be added to IV
Still plenty of life in SH3 yet though for me to worry about that
Who knows by the time SHV comes out - if ever - where\what that will be
There are plenty of ppl still working on SHIII so there is always going to be something new , in the near future at least
AVGWarhawk
03-21-07, 01:36 PM
SH3 and SH4 are very different theaters of war. SH3 will live on for sure. SH3 is the best u-boat game out there. SH4 has the possiblity to be the best WW2 submarine game out there. It will be a mix of both.
IT WONT BE FORGOTTEN:rock: :rock:
Sailor Steve
03-21-07, 04:47 PM
If there was no SH3 I would still be playing AOD. If there was no SH4 I would still be playing SH1.
I will play SH4. I will also continue playing SH3. On one of my weirder days I may just go back and play one of the old ones.
Mush Martin
03-21-07, 04:54 PM
If there was no SH3 I would still be playing AOD. If there was no SH4 I would still be playing SH1.
I will play SH4. I will also continue playing SH3. On one of my weirder days I may just go back and play one of the old ones.
Concur I am a subsimmer:|\\
IceGrog
03-21-07, 05:28 PM
IT WONT BE FORGOTTEN:rock: :rock:
I bet you Karl Dönitz (http://www.uboat.net/men/doenitz.htm) was wondering way back then if they would ever forget, or maybe he was just hoping they would forget
Dantenoc
03-21-07, 05:39 PM
SHIII won't die becuase of SHIV, because they're different theaters that appeal to different people. SHIII will die when something better comes out with U-boats in it.
Maybe some of the flight sim companies will take on the genre and come up with something better. It's just a matter of time, but untill then, SHIII will keep on going.
As to the wolfpacks... I don't think they're likely to be added to SHIII. It's much more difficult than you think, involving not only the creation of whole new elements in the game (like A.I. controled torpedos, which may be possible) but also the creation of a whole new U-boat team oriented A.I. :o (something SHIII just doesn't have). In over simplistic terms: Modders can only duplicate and modify stuff already in the program, they can't create something entirely new from scratch. An example: they can copy a merchant ship, change it, and rename it into a new class (thanks to modders we now have more ships:up: ), but modders can't build a mini game of poker between the officers to kill the time while on long patrols... there just isn't anything in game on which to build something like that on :huh:
Edit:
To further clarify, modders can add other U-boats to the game, maybe modify an already existing A.I. behaviour (like a destroyer with no DC's?) and associate it with them. To fake torp attacks by them, they could trick the game into alowing the A.I. u-boats to use a deck gun while submerged, and have that deck gun fire without any visual cues and associating the torpedo fire sound to it instead of the normal deck gun "boom". Make said "deck gun shots" more powerfull, to bring them up to torpedo damage potential, add a few more subtleties and you can sort of fake it, but that's as far as you're likely to get... It won't be a true wolfpack attack and after the novelty wears off you'll find it laking in many ways... it's simply beyond the scope of a mod.
Foghladh_mhara
03-21-07, 06:09 PM
From what I gather reading here in this forum wolfpacks are a major issue amongst people. If I'm right a lot of the people here could do something about it if they had the SDK (I wont even pretend to know what that is. If the pc doesnt start I kick mine) so it could be done? Yet wolfpacks havent been included in SH4 either have they? Is that for historical reasons or other?
Fender74
03-21-07, 06:21 PM
i'm sticking with sh3,i thought about getting sh4 but the pacific doesn't appeal to me.
and there are lots of great mods being done for sh3 right now it just gets better.:cool:
From what I gather reading here in this forum wolfpacks are a major issue amongst people
Wolfpacks were a capital issue during WW2, to a point where the "Atlantic Battle" can't be understood correctly without them. It was Doenitz's obsession to use them, and they really had a huge impact until May 1943. So obviously for any player with a taste for history and a will to replicate it, they are of enormous importance.
Nevertheless, the U-Boats fought in many theaters without forming wolfpacks (F.e. Mediterranean, Black Sea, early war phase, late war phase and long range patrols by Type 9 U-Boots) so you can still have a good amount of historical accurancy if avoiding the North Atlantic/1940-1943/TypeVIIC combo. So you certainly can have enough realism with SH3 in terms of historical accurancy. But you will not get the hugely important -and exciting- historic wolfpack campaign.
It is also good to note that real wolfpack tactics were not like they are depicted in the famous "Aces of the Deep" game (Which is more of a melee style), but more like a very disciplined combination of repeated attacks by various U-Boots, with special attention paid to coordination in order to allow them diverting the escorts in order for other U-boots to have a gap to get in and shoot at will.
GoldenRivet
03-21-07, 07:02 PM
SH3 Will Never Die!!
SH3 Uber Alles!!!!
Lang Lebend Die Unterseeboote!!!
(start The Song "der Koniggratzer" Now)
SHIII has been looong dead for me. The day WaW II started, I pretty much quit playing it.
And I cant really say that I am going to play SHIV too long either, it´s the same - leave port, go aimlessly around the seven seas, shoot, curse the enemy DD´s, slam your keyboard to the corner of the table, play something else, go back to SHIV, start a new career, get bored within the first 10km´s of the port and quit. ;)
From what I gather reading here in this forum wolfpacks are a major issue amongst people
Wolfpacks were a capital issue during WW2, to a point where the "Atlantic Battle" can't be understood correctly without them. It was Doenitz's obsession to use them, and they really had a huge impact until May 1943. So obviously for any player with a taste for history and a will to replicate it, they are of enormous importance.
Nevertheless, the U-Boats fought in many theaters without forming wolfpacks (F.e. Mediterranean, Black Sea, early war phase, late war phase and long range patrols by Type 9 U-Boots) so you can still have a good amount of historical accurancy if avoiding the North Atlantic/1940-1943/TypeVIIC combo. So you certainly can have enough realism with SH3 in terms of historical accurancy. But you will not get the hugely important -and exciting- historic wolfpack campaign.
It is also good to note that real wolfpack tactics were not like they are depicted in the famous "Aces of the Deep" game (Which is more of a melee style), but more like a very disciplined combination of repeated attacks by various U-Boots, with special attention paid to coordination in order to allow them diverting the escorts in order for other U-boots to have a gap to get in and shoot at will.
Totally true. In fact the only reason the Wolfpacks failed was because the U-boat technology didn't keep up with ASW tech. Had there been XXIs or similarly advanced subs in 43 then they likely could have been able to continue the Wolfpack tactics.
The Wolfpack now that I think out it could be compared to guerilla warfare on the high seas. You have the clumbsy and large difficult to maneuver conventional force (the convoy) and then you have the hidden fighters that operate largely alone so that small numbers could attack from many sides and do huge damage in quick calculted attacks. Instead of attrition each torpedo was like one thrust of a dagger and the combined power of each thrust added up to the all too cliched death by a thousand cuts.
Having read about many brilliant and exiting wolfpack attacks I do wish I could enjoy even a pale version of it.
If they could just get AI torpedoes to work then it could be possible to orchestrate Wolfpack attacks. Sadly its the hardcoded nonsense that creates these barriers.
Ducimus
03-21-07, 08:17 PM
Every game has it's diehards. So no, SH3 isnt going anywhere.
IIRC, the SHIV´s 1.1 patch will add torpedo bombers to the game. If they actually drop their torpedos, the modders can see how it is done in SHIV to get ideas for the SHIII.
codmander
03-21-07, 09:04 PM
sh4 will never replace sh3 no intrest in sh4 untill a uboat is added to it:p
Ducimus
03-21-07, 09:42 PM
sh4 will never replace sh3 no intrest in sh4 untill a uboat is added to it:p
Have you done any reading on the US "silent service" during WW2? I ask because alot of people who say that, don't really know all that much about it.
bookworm_020
03-21-07, 09:49 PM
I think SH3 will keep going, as there are some great mods (GWX, etc...) that have improved the game beyond all measure. The only thing that will kill it is a new Sub game in the Atlantic.
SH4 will replace SH1 and the subgame for the pacific. IT won't be perfect (what game ever is) , but mods will come avaible, which will boost the game's standing and playablity. The fact the dev's have said it will be easier to mod may encourage the mod's to come and try their hand at improving the game to a whole new level (AI Subs, Japanese subs and so on)
Both will reside on my computer, untill the day that SH5 replaces one of them!
Forget SH3? Nah, I'm just getting started with this game. :|\\ Honestly I'm still in Naval Acadimy.
When the time comes I'll begin patrol #1. And that could be months from now...
I'll be playing for a long time...I think...:hmm: :roll:
NipplesTheCat
03-21-07, 10:07 PM
Im still here. This is still the best U-boat sim out there. Maybe when and if SH5 is released ill move on,...thats if its back to the atlantic in SH5.
The General
03-21-07, 10:22 PM
What the hell is SH3?!
StandingCow
03-21-07, 10:56 PM
No way. I have SH4, and I still find myself missing SH3...
I will return to it on my laptop still to play. :D
Blood_splat
03-22-07, 01:39 AM
I'll play both hehe.:arrgh!:
Der Kolkrabe
03-22-07, 02:24 AM
Waiting my SHIV yet...:)
Probably goes same way than IL2 series, get Pacific Fighters when it came - install merged and play one career there. Then returned back to Eastern Front :smug:
So now you may ask why bother to bought it? Maybe I'm maniac... I have IL-2, IL-2FB, AEP, PF, IL-2FB+AEP+PF and IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 :doh:
And now I'm back with SHIII with GWX and hooked :cool:
So my answer is no :up:
I love SH3 and I also want to have/play SH4, I played Silent Hunter in the past. My first subsim was Wolfpack (atlantic theatre), then years later I found Silent Hunter (Pacific theater) and CAOTD, I only play CAOTD for a short time though. So I will buy SH 4 but I will keep SH 3 and play it cause I love WWII subsim. :D
sh4 will never replace sh3 no intrest in sh4 untill a uboat is added to it:p
Have you done any reading on the US "silent service" during WW2? I ask because alot of people who say that, don't really know all that much about it. I know the short "History Channel" version. Blah blah blah... day that will live in infamy... yadda yadda torpedoes dont work... blah ble blah blah... munitions people swear they do and that the entire Silent Service is just retarded (but not like Rainman cause he's actually good at numbers)... yadda yadda yadda... new guy takes over subs and fixes the issues and BINGO the Nips haven't a chance.
Not as... thrilling to me as the see saw battle of the Atlantic. If they'd had proper torpedoes at the start it wouldn't have been much of a war. There was the initial period where they had obsolete tactics and they had to kick out the jams.
I'm still an Atlantic obcessed boy. Not to minimize the Pacific's sumariners. They were excellent.:up:
sh3 will not be forgotten.especially with GWX.its one of the most important milestones in the gaming industry,and i really do hope that all the modders out there wont forget sh3 and will keep improving the sim.ONE OF THE BEST SUB SIM IN THIS NEW MILLENIUM.LONG LIVE SH3!! :rock:
JScones
03-22-07, 05:23 AM
Hi fellow Kaleuns, with the recent release of Sh4 im geting afraid that modding in Sh3 will stop and due to this we will never get wolfpacks wich i think is the main feature missing in SH3. Sh4 may turn out to be a good game but the PTO compared to Atlantic... Its just not the same thing it lacks mystique. So i hope our fellow modders dont forget our beloved SH3
You've kinda answered your own question there.
In other words, whilst SH4 will appeal to a sub-set (punny) of SH3 modders, it won't appeal to all because quite simply SH4 is a totally different theatre to SH3. Just like we'll never see some new SH4 modders get involved with SH3.
I strongly believe that SH3 will continue to be popular until beyond the release of the next Atlantic-based SH instalment (ie after it has a few patches under its belt ;)).
True. Though I do think I'll eventually get involved in SH4 as more than just a gawker. A new modding community should be interesting to watch. Also I'd like to see how SH3 modding will affect SH4. What will carry over, what will be inspired by some things, what will be thought up that was never done in SH3?
Its a brave new world out there off of the Kriegsmarine grids.:up:
danlisa
03-22-07, 05:55 AM
Its a brave new world out there off of the Kriegsmarine grids.:up:
It's not all new.;) about 25% (maybe more) of the files in SH4 are from SH3.:88)
In fact the graphics for all the German ports are still in there.:rotfl:Hmm, where does Kiel, Wilhelmshaven, Lorient etc fit into a PTO?
Possible Expansion pack???:hmm:
robbierob2005
03-22-07, 05:58 AM
NO!!!!
With all the bugs SH4 has I think I'll keep it with SH3 for now. Also with all the mods (like GWX) I think that SH3 is an teriffic game. I also prefer the atlantic theatre so I'll keep playing Sh3 until they develop a new Uboot-Subsim.
Perhaps Sh5?
Kumando
03-22-07, 05:59 AM
I would like to see some fetures imported from Sh4 to Sh3, like survivors and extra missions( photo reconaissance etc.)
Its a brave new world out there off of the Kriegsmarine grids.:up:
It's not all new.;) about 25% (maybe more) of the files in SH4 are from SH3.:88)
In fact the graphics for all the German ports are still in there.:rotfl:Hmm, where does Kiel, Wilhelmshaven, Lorient etc fit into a PTO?
Possible Expansion pack???:hmm:
Hmmmm, well with all the left over SH3 stuff in there maybe one day it will benefit a SH4 to SH3 mod team, at which point SH3 and SH4 will be one in the same.:sunny:
Kpt. Lehmann
03-22-07, 06:42 AM
LOL, why are you guys talking as if the GWX Dev Team is done?
We still have a few things to do yet... some of them quite important I think.
We are most of the way home... but hope to tie up those loose ends.
Besides, I really think that any future U-boat sim set in the Atlantic/Indian Ocean etc... will really have a monstrous amount of work to do to be comparable to the totality of the content in GWX.
Not bragging here... it is simply a testament to the dedication our guys brought to the table.
LOL, why are you guys talking as if the GWX Dev Team is done?
We still have a few things to do yet... some of them quite important I think.
We are most of the way home... but hope to tie up those loose ends.
Besides, I really think that any future U-boat sim set in the Atlantic/Indian Ocean etc... will really have a monstrous amount of work to do to be comparable to the totality of the content in GWX.
Not bragging here... it is simply a testament to the dedication our guys brought to the table.
Clear your PM box mister! I have something to ask! :stare:
Kpt. Lehmann
03-22-07, 06:52 AM
LOL, why are you guys talking as if the GWX Dev Team is done?
We still have a few things to do yet... some of them quite important I think.
We are most of the way home... but hope to tie up those loose ends.
Besides, I really think that any future U-boat sim set in the Atlantic/Indian Ocean etc... will really have a monstrous amount of work to do to be comparable to the totality of the content in GWX.
Not bragging here... it is simply a testament to the dedication our guys brought to the table.
Clear your PM box mister! I have something to ask! :stare:
Please give me til this time tomorrow... I've gotta save a bunch of that stuff... and I'm on my way to my rack. :dead: I'll PM ya when I have a bit of space.
Well.... I sent the PM already... Hopefully I didnt mess anything up. :roll:
I don't think GWX is anywhere near over. I'm just speculating on the possible future. Isn't that what we always do? Whats the next GWX patch gonna add? Hey why not do this with the next SH3 Cmdr! How long before you guys break into Ubi and steal the SDK?
We're just a bunch of kids who expect christmas to come every other day.:up:
catar M
03-22-07, 09:29 AM
I installed SH3 like 4-5 months ago(playing COD and CoH) got Sh4 two days ago but I'm not that impressed with it.So today I've reinstalled SH3 GWX and i can tell you I enjoy it more then SH4.Give Sh4 another go after patch and see
Kumando
03-22-07, 09:48 AM
I installed SH3 like 4-5 months ago(playing COD and CoH) got Sh4 two days ago but I'm not that impressed with it.So today I've reinstalled SH3 GWX and i can tell you I enjoy it more then SH4.Give Sh4 another go after patch and see
CoH, great game:up:.
I installed SH3 like 4-5 months ago(playing COD and CoH) got Sh4 two days ago but I'm not that impressed with it.So today I've reinstalled SH3 GWX and i can tell you I enjoy it more then SH4.Give Sh4 another go after patch and see
CoH, great game:up:.
Definitely. Looks pretty and uses some tactics. I was a bit put off by their online community though. Some real mean uber-players there. "You don't know what you're talking about noob. Feck off."
Another reason why SH3 is still my primary game.:up:
Ducimus
03-22-07, 11:32 AM
sh4 will never replace sh3 no intrest in sh4 untill a uboat is added to it:p
Have you done any reading on the US "silent service" during WW2? I ask because alot of people who say that, don't really know all that much about it. I know the short "History Channel" version. Blah blah blah... day that will live in infamy... yadda yadda torpedoes dont work... blah ble blah blah... munitions people swear they do and that the entire Silent Service is just retarded (but not like Rainman cause he's actually good at numbers)... yadda yadda yadda... new guy takes over subs and fixes the issues and BINGO the Nips haven't a chance.
Do you have any idea how ignorant that sounds? Thats like me turning around and saying:
" Well there was this country called Nazi germany, And because they were such dumbasses, couldnt get a surface fleet, so they had to resort to using submarines. At the start they did good because the allies didnt put up much of a fight. But once the allies got their act together and starting fighting back, Nazi submarines were littering the ocean floors in droves. They were ineffectual, and failed utterly at their mission, and they all wasted their lives in vein. End of story."
Subnuts
03-22-07, 12:10 PM
Do you have any idea how ignorant that sounds? Thats like me turning around and saying:
" Well there was this country called Nazi germany, And because they were such dumbasses, couldnt get a surface fleet, so they had to resort to using submarines. At the start they did good because the allies didnt put up much of a fight. But once the allies got their act together and starting fighting back, Nazi submarines were littering the ocean floors in droves. They were ineffectual, and failed utterly at their mission, and they all wasted their lives in vein. End of story."
How about this:
The British were in a stalemate with France until Nelson became an Admiral. Nelson kicked all kinds of ass, blah blah blah, captured and sank like a million ships, but for some dumbass reason got shot at the battle of Gibraltar. Then the British kicked more ass until the Americans kicked their ass, except when we got the White House burned down. Oops.
Well, there was this country called the Confederate States of America. Because they were such dumbasses, they broke away from America so they could keep slaves. For a while, they kicked the United State's asses, until something happened that turned them all into idiots. They didn't stand a chance anymore, blah, blah, blah, Atlanta got burned to the ground, etc... they lost horribly, but for the some reason feel a need to celebrate this. The End.
Roosevelt decided to build an atomic bomb before Hitler could. He told a bunch of scientists to go out to New Mexico and build it. For some reason, they couldn't get the bomb to work, blah blah blah, but then somebody discovered implosion and everything worked, except it all cost a lot of money. Then Germany surrendered, so they bombed Japan anyway, because if they hadn't, like, a bazzillion Americans would have died invading .
Ducimus
03-22-07, 12:21 PM
My point was his sarchastic synopises sounded bad, and in an odd way offensive. he said he didnt mean to belittle the history of the pacific, but he really did. Since it was the alantic he cared about, i decided to see how he'd like it if the "favor" was returned.
One thing ive really learned from playing this game, is an even deeper appreciation for the history of the time period, and i dont think any of it should be belittled out of bias.
AVGWarhawk
03-22-07, 12:26 PM
:shifty:
Kpt. Lehmann
03-22-07, 12:31 PM
Well, whatever anyone's thoughts are....
If ya want to sail in the Atlantic... to SH3 we go...
If ya want to sail in the Pacific... to SH4 we go...
Both theaters have their attractions... and addicted fans.
As long as you are sailing in an old diesel boat...
Its all GOOD!!! :arrgh!:
Ducimus
03-22-07, 12:35 PM
As long as you are sailing in an old diesel boat...
Its all GOOD!!! :arrgh!:
Too true. I have not one single iota of interest in a modern submarine, at all. And yet, ive always been facinated by WW2 diesal boats. I really don't understand why.
Jimbuna
03-22-07, 12:37 PM
Too true. I have not one single iota of interest in a modern submarine, at all. And yet, ive always been facinated by WW2 diesal boats. I really don't understand why.
Because your an addict!! :D :arrgh!:
Kpt. Lehmann
03-22-07, 12:48 PM
Too true. I have not one single iota of interest in a modern submarine, at all. And yet, ive always been facinated by WW2 diesal boats. I really don't understand why.
Because your an addict!! :D :arrgh!:
LOL, I can quit any time I want!!!
Really!!!
I can!!!
I mean it!!! :lost:
Even with GWX, making the game being harder, and reading the bugs of SH4 and his first patch, SH3 will never fade away, at least I know how the allies think...;)
Kumando
03-22-07, 01:22 PM
Even with GWX, making the game being harder, and reading the bugs of SH4 and his first patch, SH3 will never fade away, at least I know how the allies think...;)
Ola camarada :up:
leeclose
03-22-07, 02:10 PM
Dont get me wrong ive sent away for 4 but with all the crap i'm reading about it i dont have high expectations so after playing sh3 for well since the begining my loyalty will always be with 3 and 4 for when i want to top up my sun tan:rotfl:
Too true. I have not one single iota of interest in a modern submarine, at all. And yet, ive always been facinated by WW2 diesal boats. I really don't understand why.
The subconscious fascination with the deadliness and danger surrounding that actual event, I guess. That's what war sims are about: A save and slender simulation of the deathly danger and the unbelievable intense adrenalin "kick" real war and battle stress causes on you.
Now that sounds a tad smart assed, I know, but I think that's it if I'm honest.
Cheers,
ubootcomrade
03-22-07, 03:17 PM
SH3 With GWX Will Never, Never, Ever Die
I agree, sh3 has PLEANTY of life in it yet and if an sdk way to be releaed i can see my self perfering this to sh4, in my opinion i perfer sitting in a nice nifty viic than sit in a big clumsy american death trap i have always loved sh3 and i always will:smug:
Even with GWX, making the game being harder, and reading the bugs of SH4 and his first patch, SH3 will never fade away, at least I know how the allies think...;)
Ola camarada :up: ???
:D :up: É sempre bom ver um tuga nestas águas.
leeclose
03-22-07, 05:03 PM
Well, whatever anyone's thoughts are....
If ya want to sail in the Atlantic... to SH3 we go...
If ya want to sail in the Pacific... to SH4 we go...
Both theaters have their attractions... and addicted fans.
As long as you are sailing in an old diesel boat...
Its all GOOD!!! :arrgh!:
As some one who served on DE boats i got to agree with ya mate either way you get to play with them with both games with the unique opportunity to be either the bad guys oir the good guys, and oif you have 2 pc's both at the same time. Now theres an idea time to talk the missius into letting me get a second system:yep:
My point was his sarchastic synopises sounded bad, and in an odd way offensive. he said he didnt mean to belittle the history of the pacific, but he really did. Since it was the alantic he cared about, i decided to see how he'd like it if the "favor" was returned.
One thing ive really learned from playing this game, is an even deeper appreciation for the history of the time period, and i dont think any of it should be belittled out of bias.
Comenow, have a bit of humour. We needn't take it so seriously. The whole point of my synopsis was that I knew the short ignoramt version of it that can be summed up in a brief TV show. As a matter of fact I have been reading a bit into the Pacific Theatre. I don't mean to offend anyones sensitivities. The whole symopsis was meant to be a demonstration of how much I know just from my ignorant, pre research place. And honestly I'm sure that I know more than 1/2 of the noobs walking into Subsim over the weekend.
Sorry to have ruffled yor feathers Ducimus, particularly when you're just making your entree into the new frontier of silent hunter. I have total respect for the men who fought there. The Atlantic isn't BETTER. I just know more about it. Hell I did what you did; I read every freaking book I could find!
Now can't we all just get along? We're all supposed to be on the same side anyway.:)
Ducimus
03-22-07, 05:56 PM
No you didnt ruffle my feathers. Being short on sleep, and not having had my morning coffee makes me one unhappy panda and it show's. Sort of like posting under the influence :roll:
No you didnt ruffle my feathers. Being short on sleep, and not having had my morning coffee makes me one unhappy panda and it show's. Sort of like posting under the influence :roll:
I hear that. Cheers mate. Its been good having you around here.:up:
Deep-Six
03-22-07, 08:57 PM
My heart will always be w/ the Atlantic, but the Pacific has its appeal also.
I will have both games on my hdd if and whenever I get SH4.
SH3 will NOT DIE!!!!!:D
Jimbuna
03-23-07, 11:32 AM
It looks to me like SH4 is having the same 'birth' that SH3 had :yep:
Pretty dissapointed to open the recognition manual and find only 2 types of U.S carriers :cry:
Long live SH3/GWX :up: :arrgh!:
HunterICX
03-23-07, 12:13 PM
It looks to me like SH4 is having the same 'birth' that SH3 had :yep:
Pretty dissapointed to open the recognition manual and find only 2 types of U.S carriers :cry:
Long live SH3/GWX :up: :arrgh!:
HEIL GWX!!!!
Tonight I,m going to get myself a Cold beer and Launch GWX after a 3 month break :rock:
Jimbuna
03-23-07, 12:49 PM
Catch you over on TS later on mate :up:
HunterICX
03-23-07, 12:54 PM
Catch you over on TS later on mate :up:
BRITISH ASW! START YOUR ENGINES!
HunterICX IS BACK IN ACTION!:rock:
(crappy background 70's Action soundtrack)
This is the only game that has kept my attention for this long. I go home I play I tinker I read I lurk on this site for more ideas its my hobby. I'm sure sometime this weekend (when the leafs arent destroying the Sabres) I will throw in Das Boot and watch it for the 100th time while the game runs in the background. This game is capable of so much. Everytime you start a new carreer its different or atleast feels different. In a way this game has forced me to take a look at the other side of the story. I never want to be 250m below the surface with ship dropping tin cans but there are nights when I swear I have been through it. I feel relieve when I survive and I'm devisated when I lose a ship. It really can take you away. One day I might purchase SIV but my rig right now can't handle it and I"m more then satisfied with SHIII.
Bernard Dummkopf
03-23-07, 03:16 PM
I will stay with SHIII too... not that anyone cares...I don't think that there is a place for a Bernard in the Pacific scenario.
Too many sharks :gulp: and too less ubootcomrade(s) to hunt for ;)
Cheerio!
Bernardy Boy
Nightmare
03-23-07, 03:23 PM
I picked up SH4 yesterday and I'm enjoying. The bottom line is SH3 has been around for more than 2 years now, and it has an established modding community with great mods. SH3+GWX is my perfect fix when it comes to the Atlantic theater so it will continue to remain on my harddrive. SH4 will get more play time intially, but then it'll be a "what ever I'm in the mood for" after awhile. :up:
leeclose
03-23-07, 06:49 PM
Nightmare i can see your point most people will spend so much time on each game becouse each game gives you a unique insight into 2 very intresting theatres of combat. Also does it surprise any one that SH4 is going thru the same birthing problems as SH3 did 2 years ago :smug: And im sue the GWX guys sittign about doing nothing:rotfl: will do somethign for 4 if not can we force them to any oen got a whip and a chair handy:arrgh!:
Hartmann
03-23-07, 07:17 PM
Forgotten ???:o never !!! :rock:
Nor until some better simulator recreate the atlantic scenario :yep:
I´m going to buy sh4 but with the incredible things i´m reading sh4 at least could need some months of upgrades and fixes for become a playable sim and despite the advantage or not of the new graphics, it only cover the pacific war, so sh3 with GWX continues as a must have in my hard disk.
i don´t want to stop to play sh3 just when its finally reach his climax.
mookiemookie
03-23-07, 08:20 PM
I'm a U-boat fan through and through, and SH3 (especially with GWX) has become so comfy to me that I doubt I'll ever completely forget about it.
I'm off fighting the Japanese for now (not to mention the bugs :-?) but the Atlantic is my home.
Marko_Ramius
03-23-07, 08:27 PM
Hi,
I have SH4 and for me, for the moment : it's a no go ...
So i will never let down the atlantic cause with GWX, it's a lot better than the other !!
I got SHIV the other day and started a career. Give me back my Type VIIC!! :rotfl: I luv my U-Boats too much. :o
Mast
P.S.- No SHIII will not be forgotten.
Jimbuna
03-24-07, 05:28 AM
SH3 will continue strong until a better German U-boat sim comes out. For U-boat enthusiasts, comparing US-subs and U-boats is almost like comparing tanks and aeroplanes. SH3 and SH4 are not competitors... they are complimentary to each other. :yep:
Well said kaleun Dietrich :arrgh!:
leeclose
03-24-07, 09:04 AM
It would help if my SH4 would bloody show up amazon uk have screwed up again. I paid for launch day delivery and now its going to be monday even tuesday before its delivered.
Moral of the story either buy from the store or from the manufacturer of the game not amazon cause there delivery stinks i think i am going to lie down now my head hurts:nope:
codmander
03-24-07, 09:07 AM
ALLREADY COMING BACK TO SH3 wow that was fast :hmm: TRADERS MUST RESIGN IN :oops:
Jimbuna
03-24-07, 09:09 AM
It would help if my SH4 would bloody show up amazon uk have screwed up again. I paid for launch day delivery and now its going to be monday even tuesday before its delivered.
Moral of the story either buy from the store or from the manufacturer of the game not amazon cause there delivery stinks i think i am going to lie down now my head hurts:nope:
Believe me your not missing much bud :nope:
leeclose
03-24-07, 09:13 AM
Yeah i know jim i just wanted to be able to sink other things basically im a retired submariner anything i can sink im realllly happy with oh well last time i buy from amazon grrrrr:nope:
Corsair
03-24-07, 12:01 PM
I think you will have some fun sinking ships in the Pacific in a few months when bugs will be hopefully sorted out and some good mods available. Remember how long it took for SH3 to become a decent game then a super sub sim. No need to rush I think...;)
I think you will have some fun sinking ships in the Pacific in a few months when bugs will be hopefully sorted out and some good mods available. Remember how long it took for SH3 to become a decent game then a super sub sim. No need to rush I think...;)
Well said, people have short memories. :up:
Kumando
03-24-07, 02:36 PM
Yap Sh4 is completly unplayable for the moment, full of bugs.:-?
Sailor Steve
03-24-07, 05:12 PM
Bull. Lots of people are playing it, and reporting that they're having a great time. Yes it needs work, but so did SH3 and SH4 is hardly "unplayable".
Bull. Lots of people are playing it, and reporting that they're having a great time. Yes it needs work, but so did SH3 and SH4 is hardly "unplayable".
I suppose some people's standard for unplayable is variable. For some they're tired of SH3 or are so exited about the Pacific that they don't care about the bugs and see past them. Others would be less forgiving because SH3 is in fact brilliant and its hard to take a step down, albeit temporarily. Myself I don't tend to buy games very often so I'm not inclined to trade in all my food stamps for a game thats not going to feel as satisfying as SH3 for a another few months.
That and I need more RAM.:cry:
leeclose
03-24-07, 06:08 PM
The way i see it is this we the community turn games like sh3 which at the begining was a nightmare into what it is now. So i would assume that ubi will have worked round some of the sh3 bugs but in the same sense created new ones in 4.
So in a indirect sense ubi have made another sh3 for us something to take to bits rebuild toy with and have a whine about and 2 years down the line look back and think and say we did that. I think even 2 years from now we will be playing sh3 and 4, christ i still play sh2 a game is what you make it or want to make it.
Every game has bad points and good points ubi just tend to have lots of bad points so we need to play the game for a month or 2 and think right this is what we need to do just like we did with 3. a
Also were part of a community here at subsim that has brought a lot of very friendly and talented people together which i for one think is a damm good thing. So either way wether one person says its a great game or another says its a crap buggy game we will eventually bend it to our will and way kinda like darth vader but in a good sense but with all the evil powers. So chill out gang enjoy and start taking notes.
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