sh4 yes,no,maybe

[codmander]

Hello sub gang
After reading a lot of posts and looking at some scrennys I have come to the conclusion of not getting silent hunter 4 wolf of the pacific. At least not yet allthough its quite early to decide theres just too much missing -change isn't always a good thing . To me it looks like Ubi went for eye candy and blew off imersion, Which is fine for some but not me at least until I happen to see sh4 for
10$ down the road somewhere. all in all you just can't beat the German U boat what I hope is that multi player makes up the diffence but make your own decisions wheather to spend 50$ on sh4 or not

[ryuzu]

Hello sub gang
After reading a lot of posts and looking at some scrennys I have come to the conclusion of not getting silent hunter 4 wolf of the pacific. At least not yet allthough its quite early to decide theres just too much missing -change isn't always a good thing . To me it looks like Ubi went for eye candy and blew off imersion, Which is fine for some but not me at least until I happen to see sh4 for
10$ down the road somewhere. all in all you just can't beat the German U boat what I hop is that multi player makes up the diffence but make your own decisions wheather to spend 50$ on sh4 or not

I had my doubts before, but the broken bits have convinced me, so I cancelled my pre-order. Lucky some stores released copies early :)

Let's hope Ubi get a patch out quickly (where have we heard that before?) - although, even if they do, it'll still be the selfless efforts of the modders that will eventually make the game worthwhile, and that is a very poor reflection on Ubi yet again.

r.

[CCIP]

I think it's rather petty to stay away from it. I judge it by the entertainment value. Right now I already got a ton of entertainment value out of SHIV - and that was only one day of playing!

It's not everything I might want it to be, but $50 for what looks to be hundreds of hours - sign me up!

I remember doing the math and finding out that in the first year of SHIII, before all the cool mods that fixed most of it really came out for it, I spent 500 hours playing the game. 500 divided by $50 - you do the math. And as I think SHIV out-of-the-box is much better than vanilla SHIII - I can see that value only improving.

[TDK1044]

I understand the point you're making, but it's the 'eye candy' that will attract the 97 percent of purchasers who are not members of Forums like this and who will probably never patch or mod the game.

Ubisoft have tried to strike a balance that will offer a game that gives enough for us and for the casual gamer to enjoy. They may not have got it right according to some here who already have the game, but a couple of patches and some mods will turn SH4 from a good game into a great game.

The continuation of the Silent Hunter series depends on mass sales and not on us. That doesn't mean that I don't agree with some of the more rational, critical opinions expressed here. There are some very smart and knowledgeable members here and I understand your frustration, but the way to guarantee the continuation and improvement of this series isn't to refuse to buy this game.

[bigboywooly]

I understand the point you're making, but it's the 'eye candy' that will attract the 97 percent of purchasers who are not members of Forums like this and who will probably never patch or mod the game.

True but those 97% of ppl wont play the game nowhere near as long or consider buying the next one

but a couple of patches and some mods will turn SH4 from a good game into a great game.

:hmm: And the 97% who dont know there are mods ? Or patches ?

The continuation of the Silent Hunter series depends on mass sales and not on us. That doesn't mean that I don't agree with some of the more rational, critical opinions expressed here. There are some very smart and knowledgeable members here and I understand your frustration, but the way to guarantee the continuation and improvement of this series isn't to refuse to buy this game.

True to a certain extent
The more we buy buggy games the more releases that way there will be

There is no incentive for a developer to get it right first time with the hovering " threat " that if we dont buy it there wont be any more

The way to achieve mass sales is to release a product everybody wants that works
Not one that requires a multitude of patches and modders to make it so

My 2 cents
Carry on

[ReallyDedPoet]

Getting it, there are a lot worse things to spend $50.00 on, plus it will improve via patches and modding:yep:

[Sailor Steve]

I recently discovered that I have no credit or debit account, and I can't order it. That said, I will still buy it from a store as soon as I can.

This sounds exactly like the complaints about SHIII, and I thoroughly enjoyed that one, warts and all. The patches and mods made it worlds better, but I still had a great time until then.

I'm sure SH4 will be the same.

[9th_cow]

you should get it.
bugs seem system dependant , i have fully 3d crew members and working sound for the most part.
some things like "were taking damage" and "passing crush depth" are missing perhaps they never programmed them but they are two that should have audio i think.

handfull of bugs wont ruin the game.SHIII was mainly at first pointless due to the lack of targets, and terribly dull harbours. those two are fixed out the box this time around. tho i have yet to visit a jap harbour, the US ones are full of ships. and its not uncommon to see two huge task forces go at it, i watched a IJN convoy go head on with a USN task force today. didnt fire asingle shot, just watched.
that was rare enough to be labled myth in SHIII

it has some problems, none that should put you off though.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I recently discovered that I have no credit or debit account, and I can't order it. That said, I will still buy it from a store as soon as I can.

This sounds exactly like the complaints about SHIII, and I thoroughly enjoyed that one, warts and all. The patches and mods made it worlds better, but I still had a great time until then.

I'm sure SH4 will be the same.

I was wondering what the atmosphere was like in 05', thanks SS you answered my question. I am sure that I will have my complaints once I have it, but am positive it will get better:up:

[CCIP]

Right, you should've seen the screaming over the SHIII "disaster" - especially on the Ubi forums!

There were and still are people who thing SHIII is the worst game ever :p

[canimodo]

Im gonna buy the game as soon as its released here in brazil.
Maybe next year.

:down:

But i´d buy it right away, if i could.

I´m sure a patch will come out some time, and fix most of it.

I´m tired of hundreds of new releases ARCADE STYLE that i dont play for more than 20 minutes. Well i know we are consumers, and should save our $, but if we all wait for it to cost 10$ kiss subsims goodbye.

After Sept. 11th attacks, it´s clear that we wont have realistic (or nearit) simulators (as helicopters, jets). I played A LOT of USAF (Jane´s), but now all we see is games for 12 year old.

While the patch won´t come out i´ll read the manuals... lol


:arrgh!:

[Steeltrap]

One thing I love about EB Games is their policy whereby I can buy a game at premium at release - in this case it's $99 in Australia, or $US79 at current exchange rates - and return it within one week for a complete credit.

That way I get to assess how well the game is done, and how enjoyable I find it, then can return it for no cost whatsoever to me. I then use the credit for another game, or I just hang onto it. I've done this 3-4 times in a row in some cases until I find something I'll keep. It's the PERFECT answer to defeating the "we released something that really isn't polished the way something for which we want $99 from you should be" scenario so common with ALL games, not just UBI.

I bought SHIII for $19, installed NYGM and never played vanilla. Thus I got it cheaply AND it's been a terrific experience from day 1. UBI didn't get my premium $$ - I learned my lesson from SHII, thanks! - and I got SHIII after it had been 'fixed'.

That's what I'll do this time around. Play intensively for a week and decide if it's something I'll enjoy until it's "fixed".

As for the argument things should be done properly, my personal experience from years of doing business contracting work for large companies (that's what I do IRL) is that it very rarely happens. Most typical is something that's about 80% if you're lucky. Frankly, that's because most people in life - certainly at work, at least - really can't be bothered to do all the extra, painstaking things required to get to 95%, especially if there doesn't seem to be the $$ reward for doing so. It's a simple fact that society's obsession with making as much $$ as possible is an inevitable enemy of really high quality work, unless the nature of the work demands that level of quality to make ANY $$ (e.g. building aircraft is a good example!). So we shouldn't be surprised that things get done half-arsed, as most of us would find that's the case in 99% of enterprises around the world, including where most of us work.

Enough philosophy!!

[AVGWarhawk]

Hmmmm........$50.00 for beer or $50.00 for game.

Beer:
Get super drunk.
Possibly blow cookies from over drinking.
Liver damage.
Uninate most of it in the bathroom.
Feel like hell in the morning.
Broke and head hurting.


SH4:
Years of enjoyment.
Keeps me out of trouble.
Can always take back to EB Games if it really stinks.
Look forward to mods upon mods for it.
Look forward to forums and the other folks on the forums.
My wife knows were I am at all times.

Yep, made my purchase of the game. It has better returns than the beer.;)

[Hartmann]

Yes sh4. but i don´t rush to the selves looking for a copy. :yep:

usually i wait for the first path and mods before play a serious career , when big bugs are fixed. Also if i have to do an hardware upgrade it cost less money.

when sh3 was released i not played it until 1.3 patch using some mods,

[nvdrifter]

Hello sub gang
After reading a lot of posts and looking at some scrennys I have come to the conclusion of not getting silent hunter 4 wolf of the pacific. At least not yet allthough its quite early to decide theres just too much missing -change isn't always a good thing . To me it looks like Ubi went for eye candy and blew off imersion, Which is fine for some but not me at least until I happen to see sh4 for
10$ down the road somewhere. all in all you just can't beat the German U boat what I hop is that multi player makes up the diffence but make your own decisions wheather to spend 50$ on sh4 or not
I had my doubts before, but the broken bits have convinced me, so I cancelled my pre-order. Lucky some stores released copies early :)

Let's hope Ubi get a patch out quickly (where have we heard that before?) - although, even if they do, it'll still be the selfless efforts of the modders that will eventually make the game worthwhile, and that is a very poor reflection on Ubi yet again.

r.

Well said. UBI releases SH3 and SH4 half-finished and they charge full price, knowing the modders will pick up their slack and finish the game later. Sounds like a great deal for Ubisoft. :down:

[corvette k225]

For me a u-boat always a u-Boat, I have nonthing wrong with SHIV but I was always reading a watching movies that played on that side of the world,(North Atlantic) and it was the biggest battle of world war II and the longest.Japs ships are to easy to sink!:D :D

Maybe the folks a Ubisoft, will start thinking on SH V, donnot rush it! run with DX10 maybe the fall on 2008! be sides the u-boat side of gamming will be larger in sales world wide than SHIV.

[BH]

This is a debacle for Ubisoft. The released date was pushed forward for a “world wide release”, only to have pirates and Europeans get their hands on it first and expose the game play issues. No doubt there was and are people who are in the middle on deciding to buy this game, who will likely have second thoughts like the poster. This could have been avoided if ubisoft would have kept their original l 13th released date and street dated this game.

[ryuzu]

This is a debacle for Ubisoft. The released date was pushed forward for a “world wide release”, only to have pirates and Europeans get their hands on it first and expose the game play issues. No doubt there was and are people who are in the middle on deciding to buy this game, who will likely have second thoughts like the poster. This could have been avoided if ubisoft would have kept their original l 13th released date and street dated this game.

The cynic in me suggests that the whole reason for Ubi setting a worldwide release day was exactly to try and avoid people hearing some of the downsides to SH4 before they purchased it. As it happens, that didn't quite work out for them, so at least some people will get to save their money...well until it is patched a bit.

r.

[Deep-Six]

This is a debacle for Ubisoft. The released date was pushed forward for a “world wide release”, only to have pirates and Europeans get their hands on it first and expose the game play issues. No doubt there was and are people who are in the middle on deciding to buy this game, who will likely have second thoughts like the poster. This could have been avoided if ubisoft would have kept their original l 13th released date and street dated this game.

Amen BH:yep:

That is what I was trying to say all along. Right now I am straddling the fence whether to buy it or not.:yep:

[BH]

I am optimistic that many issues that have been reported will get resolved with patches and that many of the excellent international modders here who said that they have no interest in the PTO will come around and produce another great supermod. I will still buy sh4 because I believe that with a little help and time, it can be great.

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

There are some very smart and knowledgeable members here and I understand your frustration, but the way to guarantee the continuation and improvement of this series isn't to refuse to buy this game.
Yes it is. If you poke, cajole and downright beg with a company to put out a finished product that really is a simulator - like Dangerous Waters - and they still refuse, then voting with your feet is the only option.

If the man feels this way, I think he's right. I'm unable to decide yet, and I'll defer judgement for the time being, but if I reached the same position as him I'd walk away from it myself.

[robbo180265]

The continuation of the Silent Hunter series depends on mass sales and not on us. That doesn't mean that I don't agree with some of the more rational, critical opinions expressed here. There are some very smart and knowledgeable members here and I understand your frustration, but the way to guarantee the continuation and improvement of this series isn't to refuse to buy this game.

I can understand what you're saying, but in all honesty have you ever bought a game (other than SHIII) that has so many bugs?

Why bother to subscribe to a company that seems to rush out unfinished games?

From what I'm reading in this forum there has been very little improvement, and I for one will not waste money in the hope that one day they'll get it right.

[Ducimus]

I recently discovered that I have no credit or debit account, and I can't order it. That said, I will still buy it from a store as soon as I can.

This sounds exactly like the complaints about SHIII, and I thoroughly enjoyed that one, warts and all. The patches and mods made it worlds better, but I still had a great time until then.

I'm sure SH4 will be the same.

I was wondering what the atmosphere was like in 05', thanks SS you answered my question. I am sure that I will have my complaints once I have it, but am positive it will get better:up:

Its amazing how quickly people forget. I vaguely remember there being two camps of players. Patched with 1.3 and unpatched. Patch 1.3 broke the soundman - he couldnt call out contacts anymore. It was like he was deaf. That was quite the source of contention, and in a game where sound is everything. quite a problem. Even more amazing that a PATCH broke it. Fun times :88)

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

The continuation of the Silent Hunter series depends on mass sales and not on us. That doesn't mean that I don't agree with some of the more rational, critical opinions expressed here. There are some very smart and knowledgeable members here and I understand your frustration, but the way to guarantee the continuation and improvement of this series isn't to refuse to buy this game.
I can understand what you're saying, but in all honesty have you ever bought a game (other than SHIII) that has so many bugs?

The only title I've bought in the last 3 years with as many bugs/faults or simply unfinished features as SHIII is Splinter Cell Double Agent, also an Ubi title.

[OneTinSoldier]

Its amazing how quickly people forget. I vaguely remember there being two camps of players. Patched with 1.3 and unpatched. Patch 1.3 broke the soundman - he couldnt call out contacts anymore. It was like he was deaf. That was quite the source of contention, and in a game where sound is everything. quite a problem. Even more amazing that a PATCH broke it. Fun times :88)
Not quite exactly the way it was, but close. It was...

Patched to 1.3 with broken soundman

-or-

Patched to 1.2

Were there some people that played it completely unpatched? Yes, but very few, as most preferred to have at least the bug fixes that 1.2 contained + mods made for 1.2, of which there were quite a few.

[Immacolata]

This is a debacle for Ubisoft. The released date was pushed forward for a “world wide release”, only to have pirates and Europeans get their hands on it first and expose the game play issues. No doubt there was and are people who are in the middle on deciding to buy this game, who will likely have second thoughts like the poster. This could have been avoided if ubisoft would have kept their original l 13th released date and street dated this game.

I think debacle is quite a bit on the dramatic side. As far as I understand people seem to think the game is fine, buggy and not perfect, but no show stoppers. Opinions differ on graphics and sound, but debacle? I don't think so :) Anyways I ended up re-ordering the game again and await its arrival.

Fat boy thim, Ubi is easily the markets most sloppy pc publisher these days. Nothing they make is okay at release. As much as I frown upon EA they release rather well working pc games.

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

Fat boy thim, Ubi is easily the markets most sloppy pc publisher these days. Nothing they make is okay at release. As much as I frown upon EA they release rather well working pc games.

Yeah I agree with you there. Ubi only survived as they bought up a load of half decent franchises around 2000.

[It762]

i hope some small company starts to create a next gen subsim :) j/k
i think all devs are great wherever you are :)