Why does the crew look so tiny?

[Ark]

I've been on the Pampaito before, and I don't remember the sub being that big compared to the average human.

I was looking at the pics at Marinesims, and the crew, when they are on the conning tower, look like they need to be about 1.5x-2x larger. lol

Is this just my eyes playing a trick on me when I see the screenshots?

Real Gato:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/940/redtoweree9.jpg


SHIV Gato:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7159/gatoscreenshot04bs5.jpg

[Torplexed]

If they wanna fit thru that doorway in the side of the conning tower they can't afford to be much taller. ;)

[flyingdane]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/flyingdane/533.gif

[Ark]

If they wanna fit thru that doorway in the side of the conning tower they can't afford to be much taller. ;)

The whole scale looks out of wack to me. lol

[Shaffer4]

The first pic looks like a later Balao style Conning tower, not a Gato tower, as depicted in the game image. Also the scale seems about the same; if you take the aft flak gunner and place him in front of the forward flak position he appears on scale with the sailors in the photograph.

The refit modifications are not all universal, as in looking through photos i've seen various versions of conning tower modifications; dependind on the timeframe in which they were performed.

Not to mention people were alot smaller in those days.


SH4 depicts more than one Conning Tower Refit as well; this image better fits the one in your photo (Balao style) where the upper section is cutdown more, as evidenced by the exposure of the Periscopes.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/Shaffer4/ShortTower.jpg

[Arrowhead2k1]

Yup, different conning towers being compared.

[Ark]

Yup, different conning towers being compared.

The people look tiny on ALL of the conning towers. lol :lol:

http://www.marinesims.de/site/silent-hunter-4/sh4-33.html

[Shaffer4]

Well, the Conning tower isn't exactly small; roughly 40 to 50" in length, and people were quite abit shorter by todays standards.

[Ark]

and people were quite abit shorter by todays standards.

The difference between the 1940's and the 1950's was very miniscule, and from the 1950's on, there's hardly been any change as well. At least not a change that is blatantly noticable.


Average height in the United States has remained essentially stagnant since the 1950s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

We aren't talking about the difference between the 18th century and today. LOL ;)

Maybe it is just an optical illusion. I doubt the Dev. team would miss that, but who knows.

[RDDR]

Hey Ark,
Your not lettin go of this one are you?:D

[flyingdane]

Common men the release is only days away. stop posting stupid stuff.:roll:

[Ark]

Common men the release is only days away. stop posting stupid stuff.:roll:

Why is what I posted "stupid", because you don't agree with it?

Or is that you feel what I pointed out is trivial, and anything you don't care about should be considered invalid and therefore "stupid" by others?

Nice. Thx!

(I'm just messing with ya', Flyingdane) ;)


@ RDDR: LOL :)

I think I'm too opinionated. I try not to be, but I think it's a character flaw. :D

[Shaffer4]

and people were quite abit shorter by todays standards.
The difference between the 1940's and the 1950's was very miniscule, and from the 1950's on, there's hardly been any change as well. At least not a change that is blatantly noticable.


Average height in the United States has remained essentially stagnant since the 1950s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

We aren't talking about the difference between the 18th century and today. LOL ;)

Maybe it is just an optical illusion. I doubt the Dev. team would miss that, but who knows.

Well, I'm 6' 8" so maybe its just me :hmm:

[Ark]

and people were quite abit shorter by todays standards.
The difference between the 1940's and the 1950's was very miniscule, and from the 1950's on, there's hardly been any change as well. At least not a change that is blatantly noticable.


Average height in the United States has remained essentially stagnant since the 1950s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

We aren't talking about the difference between the 18th century and today. LOL ;)

Maybe it is just an optical illusion. I doubt the Dev. team would miss that, but who knows.

Well, I'm 6' 8" so maybe its just me :hmm:

Hehe :D

[DaMaGe007]

Well we told the dev team we wanted little people running around on ships and thats what we got ! :)

Im not complaining, I was a wizard of oz fan...

But seriously, those conning towers look different, and it will all change when you get it fullscreen on your monitor :)

[NefariousKoel]

Different conning towers.

The ones in the screenshot is much much larger than the pic.

[stabiz]

I`m with Ark on this one, seems strange.

[flyingdane]

Maby cause.. its a game and we don't have it yet...DUH!!!! :roll:

[Ark]

I`m with Ark on this one, seems strange.

At least I know it's not my eyes. lol

[Shaffer4]

Maby cause.. its a game and we don't have it yet...DUH!!!! :roll:

Back under the bridge, troll! :nope:

[Ark]

Maby cause.. its a game and we don't have it yet...DUH!!!! :roll:


I have no idea how that pertains to the discussion, but ok. lol

[Shaffer4]

http://www.warfish.com/patrol3_ct.jpg

This is the only real comparative photo I can find, it seems to support your theory somewhat, but it seems that they cut the fore and aft deck down to different heights, where the ones on the game model seem to be modeled evenly. it seems that it really varied by sub (as many Refits do)

[DaMaGe007]

I tend to think of other people as stupid idiots, this is unavoidable and comes about because Im better than everybody else.
However in Flyingdane's case I think he is just unhappy.

To Quote Mr Garrison "There are no stupid questions Eric, Just stupid people" :)

[Shaffer4]

I tend to think of other people as stupid idiots, this is unavoidable and comes about because Im better than everybody else.
However in Flyingdane's case I think he is just unhappy.

To Quote Mr Garrison "There are no stupid questions Eric, Just stupid people" :)

So do I, but letting them know just seems to defeat the purpose. I revel in my private Vanity... :rotfl:

[Ark]

That's a nice pic, Shaffer.

Thanks for posting it. :up:

[Tigrone]

Maybe because the boat is so big? US boats had to be big to stay out 6 to 8 weeks and cross 10,000 miles.

[Shaffer4]

That's a nice pic, Shaffer.

Thanks for posting it. :up:
Got it from one of the Wahoo sites http://www.warfish.com/

Been searching for a good "action" profile shot for reference image, as I want to do a sketch/Drawing for my SH4 Sig.

[DaMaGe007]

Maybe because the boat is so big? US boats had to be big to stay out 6 to 8 weeks and cross 10,000 miles.

I thought of that as a possibility too, we are used to the little german ones.

also both the photo's are taken from a side on view and the screenshot is taken from a higher angle. Holywood use this to make people look shorter or bigger.

I think one its fullscreen and we are playing it, it will look just fine.

[Ark]

Maybe because the boat is so big? US boats had to be big to stay out 6 to 8 weeks and cross 10,000 miles.

That's a good point.

Aren't the US boats mroe like the larger german ones like the IX series or D?

[CCIP]

Maybe because the boat is so big? US boats had to be big to stay out 6 to 8 weeks and cross 10,000 miles.
That's a good point.

Aren't the US boats mroe like the larger german ones like the IX series or D?

Actually, they're bigger than any German boats (Including IXDs) ;)

[Ark]

Maybe because the boat is so big? US boats had to be big to stay out 6 to 8 weeks and cross 10,000 miles.
That's a good point.

Aren't the US boats mroe like the larger german ones like the IX series or D?

Actually, they're bigger than any German boats (Including IXDs) ;)

Really? :o

I didn't know that. I thought they were somewhere inbetween the IX and D.

Yikes..

[Shaffer4]

Gato:

Displacement: 1526 tons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_ton) (1550 t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonne)) surfaced,
2424 tons (2460 t) submerged
Length: 307 ft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_%28unit_of_length%29) (93.6 m (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre)) waterline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterline), 311 ft 9 in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inch) (95.0 m) overall
Beam: 27 ft 3 in (8.31 m)
Draft: 15 ft 3 in (4.65 m)
Test depth: 300 ft (90 m)
Speed: 20¼ knots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knot_%28speed%29) (37.5 km/h) surfaced, 8¾ knots (16 km/h) submerged
Armament: 10 x 21 in (533 mm) torpedo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo) tubes (6 forward, 4 aft, 24 torpedoes); 1 x 3 in (76 mm)/50 cal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber#Caliber_as_measurement_of_length) AA gun, 2 x .50 cal (12.7 mm) and 2 x .30 cal {7.6 2mm} machineguns)
Crew: 80 – 85 officers and men
Powerplant: •4 x 1350 hp (1 MW) 16 cyl General Motors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors) 278A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-Motive_Corporation) diesel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel) engines (except SS228-239 and SS275-284 10cyl Fairbanks-Morse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairbanks-Morse) 38D-1/8), •2 x 1370 hp (1020 kW) General Electric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric) electric motors (except SS228-235 Elliott Motor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Motor) or SS257-264 Allis-Chalmers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allis-Chalmers)) (two 126-cell Exide (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Exide&action=edit) main storage batteries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_batteries) {except SS.261, 275-278, & 280 Gould (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gould)})
• two shafts
Range: •11,800 nm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_mile) at 10 knots (21,900 km at 19 km/h) surfaced
• 100 nm at 3 knots (185 km at 5.6 km/h) (maximum) submerged
Submerged Endurance:
48 hours

IXD:


Displacement: surfaced 1610 t, submerged 1799 t
Length: overall 87.6 m (287 ft 5 in), pressure hull 68.5 m (224 ft 9 in)
Beam: overall 7.5 m (24 ft 7.3 in), pressure hull 4.4 m (14 ft 5 in)
Draft: 5.4 m (17 ft 9 in)
Height: 10.2 m (33 ft 6 in)
Power: surfaced 4400 horsepower (3300 kW) diesel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel), submerged 1000 horsepower (746 kW)
Speed: surfaced 20.8 knots (38.5 km/h), submerged 6.9 knots (12.8 km/hj)
Range: surfaced 12,750 miles at 10 knots (23,600 km @ 19 km/h), submerged 115 miles at 4 knots (213 km @ 7 km/h)
Torpedo tubes: 4 bow, 2 stern (24×55 cm {21.7 in} torpedoes)
Deck gun: Utof 105/45 with 150 rounds
Crew: 55 to 63 men
Max depth: 230 m (750 ft)

[Ark]

Holy crap...the Gato class is longer than a football field. :o

[DaMaGe007]

Clearly the Americans were over compensating for somthing...:)

[Tigrone]

No merde. These are not little European economy cars for rush hour traffic in town. These are serious highway crusiers for long distance travel. 44 magnum boats.

"I fear we have just awakend a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve," Admiral Yamamoto.

"And dear Lord about our enemies, ignore their heathen prayers and help us blow those little bastards straight to hell." Hal Moore, Colonel, 1/7th Cavalry, before the Battle of the Ia Drang.

[Crosseye76]

Big boats for a Big war.

[flyingdane]

Bigger galley. :lol:

[Tigrone]

That would tend to make the crew look bigger though?

[Sailor Steve]

I disagree. In Ark's first 'SH4' shot the man at the deck gun's head is just about the same height compared with the later photo; that is, his head is just above the deck level for the AA gun mount. It looks okay to me.

[flintlock]

Nothing scientific, just a casual observation--though the scale looks perfectly fine to me.

[boatfull]

If your Ubisoft and your making a Subsim for the second time, I would think
that not checking the scale of things would be like driving your car in
reverse without looking back.:oops:

Scale looks fine to me.:up:

[Ark]

If your Ubisoft and your making a Subsim for the second time, I would think
that not checking the scale of things would be like driving your car in
reverse without looking back.:oops:

I take it you haven't seen the size of the plants on the seafloor. lol

[The WosMan]

Having been to the USS Cod I can personally say that the scale in the game looks right. Those conning towers are huge, a lot bigger than the german ones. I am 6 foot and the tower on the Cod is a cut down version as well and it is big. We Americans always make things bigger and better. Now if you excuse me I am going to go drive my big SUV around town and burn some fuel so I can create some global warming to get rid of the below average temperature and snow on the ground. On Monday in Cleveland it was 74 degrees F and nice and today it is 28 degrees F. By Wednesday the weather is supposed to be back up to 67 degrees F so I expect to get a cold or flu any time soon. :damn:

[Takeda Shingen]

Remember, the USN was not under the type of ASW pressure that the Kriegsmarine was. For the Germans, the type VII was a balance of range and dive time capabilities. The IX's, however, were built for range, and had to assume the risk of a longer crash dive interval, which many of them paid for dearly. However, even running from the North Sea to the American Atlantic seaboard was not comparable to the range required of the Pacific War. Accordingly, boats had to be bigger, but largely, engine plants remained comparable to the Germans. As such, the navy's submarines were, like their Kriegsmarine counterparts, underpowered submersible torpedo boats. Don't expect them to handle like sports cars.

[nattydread]

average 18-24yr old american male of the time was 5'8" to 5'10" and 130-150lbs wasnt it?