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difool2
03-07-07, 01:12 PM
After rediscovering the game (SH3) after a year or so off (basically waited until a lot of
the mods matured and became easier to install and uninstall), I'm really in no hurry to
forsake SH3. Plus for reasons stated in this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=106864
I'd rather play a 2 year old game where most of the bugs have been killed and gameplay
has been enhanced by various modders, instead of a brand-new likely buggy and
unmodded game (cool as it otherwise may be). Anyone else waiting?
In theory, you are right. However, let's not mistake Ubisoft with Microsoft. Will you be able to wait 2 years to play SH4 ? I really doubt it, I know I couldn't. In addition to this, the team at Ubi said that they have learned a lot from the modders community, and they promised a complete game this time. How complete....we will know. But anyway, superior. I am sure that big hearted boys around here will mod it, will add friendly and foe subs, and so on. It's the nature of things to evolve.
Unless you have a teeny, teeny,weeny,little hard drive there is no need to abandon SHIII. Com'on mate ...negative waves...:D :D :D Buy SH IV and have some fun like everyone else.
It's built on the same engine as SHIII...What do you think might happen if you take the plunge? :lol:
TDK1044
03-07-07, 01:29 PM
I think it's more fun getting stuck in and helping to fix it rather than waiting for the patches and mods. I do think SH4 will be in better shape than SH3 at the time of release though. I honstly don't think we'll see 'patch mania' this time.
AVGWarhawk
03-07-07, 01:40 PM
I believe the developers listen and learned from SH3:up:. Will the game have bug or two? Probably....just like most new games and even patches that come out. It is part of the deal. Not only that, the developers got Subsim coffee mugs for Christmas. Come on man, that's worth a extra effort by the developers and by golly I think we will get it:up:. I have complete faith that we will be in for a great game. I mean really, just how may developers make small films of development and answer questions outright? Not many. I for one will be first on line to get this game and I do not believe I will be disappointed at all!
geetrue
03-07-07, 01:43 PM
When your a little kid you play around in the back yard as late as you can, bugs and all, till your parents make you come inside.
Now that your old enough to purchase your own PC games, you play as late as you can, bugs and all.
You won't be able to come back in here in April without wanting to play SH4 yourself.
Go ahead buy it now and patch it later ... Life's to short to bitch all the time anyway. :cool:
Barkhorn1x
03-07-07, 01:47 PM
Anyone else waiting?
Are you nuts?!?! :huh:
Anyone else waiting?
Are you nuts?!?! :huh:
lol yeah
I find it hard waiting for 23rd... let alone another year or 2. The games not going to be real buggy and unplayable. Fair enough SH3 had a few bugs at launch but i still found it as fun when it first came out as it is now :rock:
Yep, I'm going to wait for the obvious reasons.
One is to see how much trouble it will be. LOL
Two, I can't say anything about the other reason here. ;) So don't even think of mentioning what you think it is..... it won't go over very well.
Three is to wait for the price to drop. I'm not about to fork over 50 bucks for a sim... the "Warden" would have a hissy fit. It was hard enough to get new HDDs for my computer, let alone asking for SH4 this early on. When I ask, she says... "what's in yer wallet?. And I reply.... "nuttin honey!" Too which she comes back.... "too bad fer you!" :yep:
boatfull
03-07-07, 02:40 PM
I live about 5 miles from an EB store so I'll wait about 5 Min. after they call
me with my copy.
:yep:
ReallyDedPoet
03-07-07, 03:14 PM
I will not be waiting, but SH3 is going nowhere, I like the Atlantic Theatre to much:up:
I will play both.
Yep, I'm going to wait for the obvious reasons.
Three is to wait for the price to drop. I'm not about to fork over 50 bucks for a sim...
I also will wait for the price to fall on the game and the upgrades I need for the game. And of course when most of the bugs have been sorted, I waited for two years what's another year or two.
Anyone else waiting?
Mmmmmm....looks like Neal must create a new subforum for lovers of leather, whip, mask, not playing SH4 and all other kinds of voluntary pain & suffering :hmm:
KiwiVenge
03-07-07, 03:30 PM
I will be waiting, I have a couple games I want to buy but do not want to buy them at once. I was around for SH3 release and seeing how that went I figure I may as well make SH4 the one that waits a bit.
Also I am a bit concerned how well SH4 will run on my PC (P4 3000, 1gig ram, Nvidia 6600). Will wait to hear from the community to see how (if??) something along the lines of my rig will run it.
flintlock
03-07-07, 03:31 PM
Anyone else waiting?
Absolutely not.
PS. Enjoy your time with SH3.
Roads88
03-07-07, 03:47 PM
If you are happy with SH3 and all the Mods plus you have limited time, and who dosn't, just keep playing shIII and enjoy.:D
I still have not been everywere and done everthing in GWX. I still look forward to tuning out the world and going looking for trouble in my IXB.
That does not prevent me from jumping up, grabbing the monitor and screaming: gim me, GIM ME , GIMMMMM MMEEEE......when the subject of SHIV comes up.
Afterwords I just lay on the floor and sob for a while. :damn:
rodan54
03-07-07, 04:10 PM
Wait!?!? Man, thats just crazy talk. :88)
Ten years has already been long enough.
Sonarman
03-07-07, 05:38 PM
Whilst I understand the temptation to wait until the game goes budget, I'm going to buy SH4 now at full price to support Ubisoft and hopefully encourage tham to produce Destroyer Command 2 and SH5.
THE_MASK
03-07-07, 05:41 PM
Waiting , hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:You are one funny guy.
Shaffer4
03-07-07, 05:48 PM
Wait? I've already started Preimptive saving.. up to $35.00 as of now... :arrgh!:
USS Sea Tiger
03-07-07, 08:04 PM
I want to be the first on my block to rip the guts out of the Kongo, Or Fuso with a spread of 6 torpedos!
Rip them,, mash them,, smash them, trash them. :x :x
Zero Niner
03-07-07, 08:15 PM
Lol. While I agree with your sentiments I'll probably go out and buy a copy as soon as I can after it's on the shelves.
One thing that I say to console myself - it can't be that buggy, since it's based on the SH3 engine, so it's not like it's completely new.
Torplexed
03-07-07, 08:45 PM
You can't enjoy the thrill of watching the sim going through incremental changes with patches and mods if you hold off. Kinda like getting a new game every few weeks . ;)
bookworm_020
03-07-07, 08:51 PM
Wait????:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: You've got to be kidding!!! I think that there will be bugs, but far less than SH3. I'm just hanging out untill my is delivered.
P.S. I ordered the Collector's edition, but I'm in the running to win a copy of the delux edition. The Online shop I pre-ordered from is giving two copies of the DE away to anyone who purchase's a copy of SH4.:rock:
Iron Budokan
03-07-07, 09:05 PM
No, I'm not going to wait. I'm certainly not going to wait TWO YEARS. :rotfl:
IRONxMortlock
03-07-07, 11:14 PM
Unfortunately I am going to be forced to wait. I am leaving Japan permanently at the end of this month and my computer and all my belongings will be loaded onto a ship for transport. This means no SH4. :cry:
Oh well, hopefully by the time I'm all setup again some initial bugs will have been ironed out with a patch, there'll be a few improvements in the form of mods and you good folks here at sumsim will have written up several handing guides to help me terrorise the Emperor's navy with greater efficiency.
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buyt it! buy it buy it buy it!
nvdrifter
03-07-07, 11:40 PM
Ubisoft loves the type of players who pre-order or run out and buy their games soon after the release due to impatience or ignorance. This is the reason they (and other software compaines) can get away with releasing buggy, half-finished games and then release a few patches later. Because a lot of players will buy no matter what. They calculate their profits based on the number of people who run out and buy it without waiting or doing any research about the game's problems. I think this would equal maybe 95% of their customers. I'm getting the popcorn ready and the beer chilled to read all of the problems and complaints regarding SH4 once it's released. Anyone remember all the complaints and whining after the buggy, unfinished SH3 release? Now that was entertainment. In other words, I'm waiting. Patience, young Grasshopper, patience. :arrgh!:
flintlock
03-08-07, 01:23 AM
Ubisoft loves the type of players who pre-order or run out and buy their games soon after the release due to impatience or ignorance. So those buying the game via pre-orders and within a few days of release are either ignorant or impatient--and can't simply be fans of the genre, huh?
Interesting perspective you have there.
nvdrifter
03-08-07, 01:56 AM
Ubisoft loves the type of players who pre-order or run out and buy their games soon after the release due to impatience or ignorance. So those buying the game via pre-orders and within a few days of release are either ignorant or impatient--and can't simply be fans of the genre, huh?
Interesting perspective you have there.
After reading so many of the 'Buy, buy, buy!', 'Everyone should pre-order now or miss out!', and 'It will be the greatest game ever!' here in this forum, I do think a lot of people (not all) posting on the SH4 forum are impatient or ignorant. Sorry, but that's how I feel. Ignorant as in not knowing. Ignorance can be from innocence or stupidity, or both. But hey, SH4 is only a $50-$150 risk. Try not to get so offended because some posters here are not blindly defending SH4 before it's released. I guess a lot of people here don't remember or even know what happened after the release of SH3. I think the SH3 community and the SH4 community are totally different. The SH3 community remembers all of the problems and headaches we went through (and still do) with SH3. Maybe a lot of the excited people here who pre-ordered SH4 don't play SH3 or don't know the serious problems that could be experienced again in SH4. :o
flintlock
03-08-07, 02:31 AM
Try not to get so offended because some posters here are not blindly defending SH4 before it's released I'm not offended, but thank you for your concern for my well-being.
You made a blanket and rather arrogant statement that anyone who purchases SH4 as soon as it's released is either ignorant, impatient or both. I'm suggesting that people who don't purchase SH4 according to your timeline aren't necessarily either of these. Something for you to consider.
nvdrifter
03-08-07, 02:46 AM
Try not to get so offended because some posters here are not blindly defending SH4 before it's released I'm not offended, but thank you for your concern for my well-being.
You made a blanket and rather arrogant statement that anyone who purchases SH4 as soon as it's released is either ignorant, impatient or both. I'm suggesting that people who don't purchase SH4 according to your timeline aren't necessarily either of these. Something for you to consider.
I have nothing against people who pre-order SH4. It's their money and their choice. And I wasn't trying to call all people who pre-order SH4 stupid. Pre-ordering SH4 is risky, though, due to Ubisoft's record of releasing buggy, unfinished sims. I guess I get the feeling that people who post in this forum with a more cautious attitude are sometimes thought of as SH4 bashers or something because we don't 'believe in' SH4 or Ubisoft before it's released... like it's some kind of religion or something. :roll: I say that no way in hell does Ubisoft deserve our trust, faith or praise after the buggy and unfinished mess they released called SH3. And even after all the patches that they released later, they still didn't fix major things that were broken. But I still really like playing SH3 because the modders fixed the game as best they could (without the SDK), saving it from a certain premature death. I'm really cautious about SH4 and not too optimistic. But if I'm wrong and SH4 turns out to be good this time, I'll be happy.
Torplexed
03-08-07, 03:04 AM
The irony is that if enthusatic subsimmers hadn't purchased SH3 upon release despite all it's flaws there probably wouldn't be a SH4. Modders do wonderful things. But I've yet to see one produce a commercially successful submarine simulation from scratch. I also think the idea of a bug-free flawless game upon release is a chimera at best, given how complicated they're getting. There aren't a lot of companies developing submarine simulations, so Ubi gets my support by default.
nvdrifter
03-08-07, 03:12 AM
The irony is that if enthusatic subsimmers hadn't purchased SH3 upon release despite all it's flaws there probably wouldn't be a SH4. Modders do wonderful things. But I've yet to see one produce a commercially successful submarine simulation from scratch. I also think the idea of a bug-free flawless game upon release is a chimera at best, given how complicated they're getting. There aren't a lot of companies developing submarine simulations, so Ubi gets my support by default.
I agree. A buggy SH4 is better than no SH4. But the problem modders run into is that when we try to fix things that are broken, we can't because too much of the game is hard-coded. And Ubisoft still refuses to release the SDK for SH3. I can't even begin to describe the frustrations modders have to go through when trying to mod and fix a game where most of the important things are still hard-coded. But I really hope this time they do a better job on release. I am tired of the Atlantic battles and I am ready to do some Pacific stuff. Keeping my fingers crossed.
JamesDeFontana
03-08-07, 03:16 AM
The irony is that if enthusatic subsimmers hadn't purchased SH3 upon release despite all it's flaws there probably wouldn't be a SH4. Modders do wonderful things. But I've yet to see one produce a commercially successful submarine simulation from scratch. I also think the idea of a bug-free flawless game upon release is a chimera at best, given how complicated they're getting. There aren't a lot of companies developing submarine simulations, so Ubi gets my support by default.
:yep: :up:
Torplexed
03-08-07, 03:21 AM
I agree. A buggy SH4 is better than no SH4. But the problem modders run into is that when we try to fix things that are broken, we can't because too much of the game is hard-coded. And Ubisoft still refuses to release the SDK for SH3. I can't even begin to describe the frustrations modders have to go through when trying to mod and fix a game where most of the important things are still hard-coded. But I really hope this time they do a better job on release. I am tired of the Atlantic battles and I am ready to do some Pacific stuff. Keeping my fingers crossed.
I'm keeping mine crossed too. Wouldn't it be nice if submarine simulations were the cash-cows that some of the other games out there are? We'd get every room in the sub with the battery compartments thrown in as well. :D We've still got it better than the modern subsim crowd tho. Sounds like Sonalysts is really struggling.
nvdrifter
03-08-07, 03:25 AM
I agree. A buggy SH4 is better than no SH4. But the problem modders run into is that when we try to fix things that are broken, we can't because too much of the game is hard-coded. And Ubisoft still refuses to release the SDK for SH3. I can't even begin to describe the frustrations modders have to go through when trying to mod and fix a game where most of the important things are still hard-coded. But I really hope this time they do a better job on release. I am tired of the Atlantic battles and I am ready to do some Pacific stuff. Keeping my fingers crossed.
I'm keeping mine crossed too. Wouldn't it be nice if submarine simulations were the cash-cows that some of the other games out there are? We'd get every room in the sub with the battery compartments thrown in as well. :D We've still got it better than the modern subsim crowd tho. Sounds like Sonalysts is really struggling.
They probably are struggling. The player audience is much smaller for ultra-realistic, less graphics, modern sub sims. I really hope SH4 is good. If they would release the SDK's, you wouldn't believe what the modders would be capable of doing. But maybe that's what Ubisoft is afraid of. :D
Torplexed
03-08-07, 03:33 AM
They probably are struggling. The player audience is much smaller for ultra-realistic, less graphics, modern sub sims. I really hope SH4 is good. If they would release the SDK's, you wouldn't believe what the modders would be capable of doing. But maybe that's what Ubisoft is afraid of. :D
Alas, I'm no expert on that subject. My speculation as to why they haven't released the SDK is perhaps they didn't want some clever modders to beat them to the punch in the Pacific. ;) (ala Pacific Aces with SH2)
JScones
03-08-07, 03:35 AM
I'm a realist. SH4 will undoubtedly contain bugs. So what? SH3 had bugs on release but we lived (and continue to live, despite its still failings and frustrations). It's not like SH4 is a full OS like Vista - that ain't getting anywhere near my computer until at least SP1!
Indeed though, if I waited for "bug free" versions of everything I wanted, then my computer would only contain my products. :rotfl:
Nah, the worst thing with SH4 is that if it is totally unplayable (highly unlikely), then it just sits untouched on my HD until the first patch comes out and then I try again. No dramas - I still have my SH3 to tide me over.
Anyway, I have faith that the modders will see us through 1.1...1.2...1.3... :rock:
I would also like to think that the more people who buy SH4 on release will mean the more bugs that will be found will mean the more inclusive the first patch will be.
P.S. I ordered the Collector's edition, but I'm in the running to win a copy of the delux edition. The Online shop I pre-ordered from is giving two copies of the DE away to anyone who purchase's a copy of SH4.:rock:
You must be winning the other copy then. ;)
TheSatyr
03-08-07, 03:37 AM
Sonalysts isn't struggling in the least. They have various government contracts.
The problem there is that DW did so poorly that the higher ups at sonalysts don't really see any point in having devs and financial resources tied up in projects that will end up losing money or breaking even. For them,games have always been a side project,and if they don't meet financial projections then they quit making them.
Torplexed
03-08-07, 03:44 AM
Sonalysts isn't struggling in the least. They have various government contracts.
Yeah...I probably should have amended that to struggling in the commercial game department. That is a niche market for sure.
Which leaves UbiSoft perhaps as the lone subsim developer standing for the present.
kiwi_2005
03-08-07, 04:16 AM
No way i will be waiting, when the game arrives i will be playing it.
"Anyone else going to wait?"
Not me. I'm buying 2 copies.. One for me and one for a friend of mine as a gift who has SHIII but can't afford SHIV at this time.
Don't you wish you had a friend like me? :yep:
:()1: :up:
UglyMowgli
03-08-07, 06:57 AM
I will wait until DC2 is out (I may wait for a longggggggggg time)
If it'll run, ofcourse I will play it! Once you've seen something like The Guild series or the X-series (scifi), SH3 can be considered a perfect game out of the box. I never found any gamestopping bugs myself to be honest.
I think there are people that will wait until the first reviews are in.
I do not think people that buy it, will shelve it for, say, one year. No way, but ofcourse it sounds manly :smug:
And above all, le't's wait and see before we decide on forehand that SH4 is socalled massively bugged shall we? ;)
If it'll run, ofcourse I will play it! Once you've seen something like The Guild series or the X-series (scifi), SH3 can be considered a perfect game out of the box. I never found any gamestopping bugs myself to be honest.
I think there are people that will wait until the first reviews are in.
I do not think people that buy it, will shelve it for, say, one year. No way, but ofcourse it sounds manly :smug:
And above all, le't's wait and see before we decide on forehand that SH4 is socalled massively bugged shall we? ;)
Yep SH3 wasnt bad out of the box... and im sure SH4 will be fine too :up:
Sonarman
03-08-07, 07:10 AM
Yes, the main bug on the out of the box SH3 (the spray bug) was actually caused by Nvidia changing their drivers, not by the devs.
Navarre
03-08-07, 07:23 AM
I wait with the decision to purchase it, as I do with every other game. In the city I live one can borrow all new games for some days. Since two years I examine in this way every new game I interested in, whether if it fulfills my expectations. It does not have to be bug-free (which is nonsense for PC games), but it must in a certain way fulfill what I expects of it.
To the final purchase decision I still added how much respective the publisher was in the past with supporting his games (Patches, AddOn's). I am for a long time no more the the die-hard subsimmer, therefore must I not purchase each subsim game in order to be happy. Even if this attitude don't support the sim genre, I can live with that very gladly.
Waiting is futile.
You will be asSHIVimilated ! !
hyperion2206
03-08-07, 11:41 AM
I will wait until DC2 is out (I may wait for a longggggggggg time)
I hope you are the only one doing that, 'cause if everybody has you're attitude then we'll never get DC2.:p
mookiemookie
03-08-07, 12:02 PM
I'll be at Gamestop first thing on the 14th to pick up my copy. :smug:
AVGWarhawk
03-08-07, 12:44 PM
"Anyone else going to wait?"
Not me. I'm buying 2 copies.. One for me and one for a friend of mine as a gift who has SHIII but can't afford SHIV at this time.
Don't you wish you had a friend like me? :yep:
:()1: :up:
Hey, I'm your friend!!!! Remember? We went to different schools together. Where is my copy?????:D
What kind of message would we be sending by not buying this game when it hit the selves?
Think about it.
Here is your reward for trying another hard core sub sim ... we're not gonna buy it until later?
flyingdane
03-08-07, 12:51 PM
Only untill march 20th then it sh4 here i come! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/flyingdane/484.gif :oops:
I say that no way in hell does Ubisoft deserve our trust, faith or praise after the buggy and unfinished mess they released called SH3
I don't remember any more if you were already here when a few of us were spending hours and hours of our spare time trying to mod SH2 and make it more enjoyable. But having done that myself and gone through SH3 problems (SH3 was unistalled in my HDD for a long time) I have never regreted buying at full price SH1, SH2, SH3 and now SH4, and not waiting for them to hit the bargain bin. When you are buying a 1st person shooter you can claim, harrass and insult the company who doesn't do it well (Well OK insult not), as there are dozens of shooters around and it is always a profit market. But when a company dares venturing into the difficult world of pure sims, specially naval sims, it is risking a lot, even if they sell well. I have never regreted putting 50$ in all submarine sims that I have stumbled upon, even some that have been rarely installed more than two days. Ignorance? Nope. I agree completely with Torplexed, had many of us not bought full prize SH1-2-3, none of the "waituntilitsfixedandcheap" would have ever got a copy of SH2-3, because no SH2-3-4 would ever have been done.
Enjoy the wait. I'll send you a postcard from Midway (Bugs included) :up:
UglyMowgli
03-08-07, 01:30 PM
I will wait until DC2 is out (I may wait for a longggggggggg time)
I hope you are the only one doing that, 'cause if everybody has you're attitude then we'll never get DC2.:p
If I remeber well, when SH3 was out Ubi$oft say : if SH3 sold well we will make a DC, I am still waiting, they trap me one time not two.
And I am not the only to do that:D
flyingdane
03-08-07, 01:39 PM
If this game doesn't sell very well then you can kiss sh5 or dc2 goodbye, so don't wait to long or the future maby slient for subsim fans.:stare: :damn:
hyperion2206
03-08-07, 01:47 PM
I will wait until DC2 is out (I may wait for a longggggggggg time)
I hope you are the only one doing that, 'cause if everybody has you're attitude then we'll never get DC2.:p
If I remeber well, when SH3 was out Ubi$oft say : if SH3 sold well we will make a DC, I am still waiting, they trap me one time not two.
And I am not the only to do that:D
Well if you and many others won't buy SH4 then there will be no DC2. PERIOD. If you buy SH4 there is a chance that they will develop DC2.
You have to see SH4 as an investment.;)
Rykaird
03-08-07, 02:12 PM
Ordered mine through the Subsim link to Amazon so they get a few bucks. With rush shipping!
John Channing
03-08-07, 03:38 PM
I will wait until DC2 is out (I may wait for a longggggggggg time)
I hope you are the only one doing that, 'cause if everybody has you're attitude then we'll never get DC2.:p
If I remeber well, when SH3 was out Ubi$oft say : if SH3 sold well we will make a DC, I am still waiting, they trap me one time not two.
And I am not the only to do that:D
You do not remember well. They never said anything of the sort.
JCC
TheSatyr
03-08-07, 03:55 PM
The only thing they said about DC2 back then was that they would like to do it someday. They never said they WOULD do one if SH3 sold well.
With SH4 coming out they seem to be more interested in doing a DC2...if SH4 sells well. Probably because they have Japanese ship models they can use and more US ship models.
Still,they haven't said they WOULD do a DC2,only that it is under consideration as a possible next game in the SH/DC series.
UglyMowgli
03-08-07, 04:05 PM
I will wait until DC2 is out (I may wait for a longggggggggg time)
I hope you are the only one doing that, 'cause if everybody has you're attitude then we'll never get DC2.:p
If I remeber well, when SH3 was out Ubi$oft say : if SH3 sold well we will make a DC, I am still waiting, they trap me one time not two.
And I am not the only to do that:D
You do not remember well. They never said anything of the sort.
JCC
Search on subsim a quote from Neal Stevens :
"If sh3 is a success, they want to make a new Destroyer Command II ..."
AVGWarhawk
03-08-07, 04:28 PM
Ordered mine through the Subsim link to Amazon so they get a few bucks. With rush shipping!
Thats the spirt!!!!:rock:
Gizzmoe
03-08-07, 04:38 PM
Search on subsim a quote from Neal Stevens :
"If sh3 is a success, they want to make a new Destroyer Command II ..."
There´s a difference between "If sh3 is a success, they want to make a new Destroyer Command II" and "If sh3 is a success, they will make a new Destroyer Command II". ;)
NEON DEON
03-08-07, 05:07 PM
What?!
No poll in this thread.
Maybe someone should start one.;)
Search on subsim a quote from Neal Stevens :
"If sh3 is a success, they want to make a new Destroyer Command II ..."
There´s a difference between "If sh3 is a success, they want to make a new Destroyer Command II" and "If sh3 is a success, they will make a new Destroyer Command II". ;)
Exactly.
I say that no way in hell does Ubisoft deserve our trust, faith or praise after the buggy and unfinished mess they released called SH3
I don't remember any more if you were already here when a few of us were spending hours and hours of our spare time trying to mod SH2 and make it more enjoyable. But having done that myself and gone through SH3 problems (SH3 was unistalled in my HDD for a long time) I have never regreted buying at full price SH1, SH2, SH3 and now SH4, and not waiting for them to hit the bargain bin. When you are buying a 1st person shooter you can claim, harrass and insult the company who doesn't do it well (Well OK insult not), as there are dozens of shooters around and it is always a profit market. But when a company dares venturing into the difficult world of pure sims, specially naval sims, it is risking a lot, even if they sell well. I have never regreted putting 50$ in all submarine sims that I have stumbled upon, even some that have been rarely installed more than two days. Ignorance? Nope. I agree completely with Torplexed, had many of us not bought full prize SH1-2-3, none of the "waituntilitsfixedandcheap" would have ever got a copy of SH2-3, because no SH2-3-4 would ever have been done.
Enjoy the wait. I'll send you a postcard from Midway (Bugs included) :up:
Agree 100% with you, too bad you got rid of SH3, GWX is fabulous!
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