Will any of these mods conflict with GWX 1.02?

[tiger_tim_34]

Hi guys and gals

Just installed the latest GWX patch, having followed the instructions to remove all JSGME mods then roll back SH3 Commander, and I'm now wondering if I can/should re-enable all these mods:

- 16km Atmosphere
- English Nav Map and Grid Refs
- Integrated Orders
- Late War Sensors Snorkel Antenna
- No medals on crew

... or whether the latest GWX patch has, in fact, made any of these redundant?

Your modular wisdom and guidance would be hugely appreciated. :hmm:

[mr chris]

RTFM:up:

[HunterICX]

Wow,

mmm....


let me think

no not compatible, these will cause a horrible conflict that will screw up your hardrive and the screen will yell RTFM! RTFM!

If you have any comon sense my friend, those mods CAME WITH the GWX supermod for you to enable IF YOU WANT, its not BASIC in the GWX but OPTIONAL meaning you have to choose if you want them or not.

and what about that 289 Pages thick Manual.
read it its all in there m8, a long read but it well everything you need to know is explained there . so take a cup of coffee and read the important notes.

so we do not have to repeat ourselfs over and over again.

HunterICX

ps. RTFM!:rotfl:

[bigboywooly]

Yes they work with GW1.02

[Ducimus]

Geez....

Yes they work. The patch updated the optional mods as appropriate.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

They come with the damm mod! as said above, READ THE BLOODY MAUNAL! :damn:

[tiger_tim_34]

Easy fellas... you take a lot of this mod business for granted, and not everyone has time to read a 289 page manual - twice. For casual gamers, even understanding JSGME and opening a .RAR file can take a bit of head scratching.

Acronyms are a peculiarly insular way to communicate with strangers too, IMHO.

(Thank you, Ducimus and bigboywooly.)

[mr chris]

You dont even have to read the whole manual just scaning through the manual would answer your question.

[tiger_tim_34]

You may want to try posting a link that works. [Erm, there was a link in the previous post but it's vanished - Ed.]

[mr chris]

It works fine for me:yep:

[tiger_tim_34]

I'm happy for you.

[mr chris]

So am i its great not being blind as a bat.:cool:

[Ducimus]

So much hostility over a simple question. Seriously guys, put the cat o' nine tails away - was the flogging really neccessary?

[mr chris]

Simple question so it got a simple answer.:yep:
If only people read the manual before posting bone questions the would not be so much hostility.
But it seems that even after countless times of posting read the manual before you play. People still seem to not to bother.

[tiger_tim_34]

Didn't realise I was sailing into a noob minefield with my original question. Point(s) taken, apologies for not reading the manual (again) first and then asking questions later.

I'd just like to say that I've been overwhelmingly impressed with the mod community surrounding SH3, especially in the development of The Grey Wolves, and my sincere thanks go out to everyone involved for making it happen.

I shall now quietly disappear to my cabin and rtfm. ;)

[Steppenwolf]

@tiger_tim_34
Enabling the other mods are fine, but you won't want to enable the "Late War Sensors Snorkel Antennas" mod, until they are actually available in October 1944 (and offered to you on the Upgrades screen). If you are running a career before that date, you will not want it.

[melnibonian]

tiger_tim_34 don't take it personally. The guys from the GWX Team have to answer hundreads of questions every day from the whole SubSim community. Obviously they don't mind answering questions, but the problem is that a lot of them have been asked and answered time and time again. Now as far as your question is concerned yes the optional mods do work with GWX 1.02. As a word of advice try to enable all the mods you want to use via JSGME. That way if you don't like them or if they cause problems to your game you can disable them without having to re-install SH3 and GWX. On your other point of how to use JSGME and rar files I feel you are a little bit unfair, as these programs are created for the cusual user and don't require too much knowledge or even understanding of the software. I feel that you need to spend some time reading the manual and the readme files and you will see how easy it is to follow the instructions. In any case I'm attaching you two tutorials on how JSGME works. They're simple and easy to use and give you all the info you need http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1009484 & http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2881085392/m/3461029123.

Again if the words of the fellow GWX Beta Testers and Devs were a bit harsh I do appologise for them, and I hope you do understand that they have to deal with hundreads of questions every day. As I said before most of them would have been answered themselves if people did read the manual and follow the instructions. In any case it doesn't really matter. We're a friendly community and we help each other, so feel free to ask any questions you like. Just promise me you will try to read the manual first and you will check the forum to see if there is a prior answer to your question;)

Enjoy the game mate:up:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Didn't realise I was sailing into a noob minefield with my original question. Point(s) taken, apologies for not reading the manual (again) first and then asking questions later.

I'd just like to say that I've been overwhelmingly impressed with the mod community surrounding SH3, especially in the development of The Grey Wolves, and my sincere thanks go out to everyone involved for making it happen.

I shall now quietly disappear to my cabin and rtfm. ;)

Be interesting to hear some of our so called experts first posts, I bet they were :damn::damn::damn: as well. As has been said don't take it personal:up::up:

RDP

[HunterICX]

Yes, Some of us are growing a Huge headache,

we are reading the same questions by different post too many times.
And if I page down the Manual...well its adressed there so no need for me to explain it...let him read the manual....because really the ones that worked on the manual where Hoping that people would actually read it so it saves the GWX dev team time and effort to explain things. but now I see some members on a 24/7 shift of copying things from the manual towards the players that downloaded it.

and its getting worse per day.
we have asked many times to Browse the manual before you post something that has been adressed in the manual..
its double work. and its a getting a real pain in the neck
so yes, we are a getting rude now.

HunterICX

[Ducimus]

and its getting worse per day.

And it's going to keep getting worse. Here's a tinfoil hat theory:

SHIV marketing and PR is generating intrest in the game. Like most any game, people look for fansites to cultivate that interest. The search for such fan sites will eventually lead them to subsim.

Then,
"Hey, theres a SH3? Maybe i should check that out? Looks cool."
and It's probably in the bargain bin by now.

As a game or community gets more interest, so is porportions of differing people. Take the MMO WoW for example.. HUGE audience, and as a result, the number of "RTFM"ish posts will also be higher.

So as the audience here grows (assuming it is), so will the amount of "RTMF"ish posts grow. As subsim gains more user numbers (again, assuming they are or will be), the less of a small community and clubbish atmosphere it will retain.

[JScones]

FYI figures for the period Jul 2006 to Feb 2007 show that Subsim is growing at roughly 128 "active" members per month. Oct and Nov were slow months - only just over 100 new members each month, with Sep and Aug being the high months, with over 150 and 140 new members respectively.

Of course, these figures are overall Subsim figures, so included will be members that never post in the SH3 forums.

From reading some of the posts over that time, it seems the influx is attributable to five things (in no particular order):

- the budget bin release of SH3 which occurred late last year
- the imminent release of SH4
- the troubles over at Ubizoo which occurred middish last year (saw a number of Ubi members migrate here)
- the release of GWX (membership went from 103 in November to 131 in December and has been over 130 a month since)
- the general helpful nature and "community" feel Subsim has.

A lot of these new members would have been long time stowaways.

Interestingly, some people have been quick to berate some of the guys who have responded to the OP's question. Ironically, the guys asking these types of questions are the same guys that are physically de-selecting the "View the manual" option that is selected BY DEFAULT when you install either GWX or GWX 1.02.

Personally I think laziness is a poorer virtue than frustration. Indeed, remove the laziness and you have removed the frustration. Unfortunately though, as Ducimus said, increased numbers = increased diversity (good and bad). To that end I think we'll be posting RTFM and STFF for quite a while yet. :(

Anyway, to those quick to criticise, let me leave you all with this poignant "Mr Burns" quote:

"I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter"

It does remind you that there are two views to every argument.

On a positive note, at least the OP got GWX 1.02 installed.

[Ducimus]

Well subsim set a record today:

Most Captains ever in port was 988, 02-26-2007 at 01:45 PM.

That should tell you something.

Honestly guys, i dont like RTFMish post just as much as you guys, but the hostility too one took me by surpise.

That kind of hostility, is stuff i normally see on other messageboards. Particuarlly MMO messageboards (my other gaming addition that i never talk about here). The communities in those games are extremely hostile, and monikers like

"QQ"
"less QQ more Pew pew"
"LTP"
"cry more noob"
"your tears are tasty"

etc etc are pretty much the norm. Needless to say, i don't post in those forums much. I rarely see that here, and im glad it isnt the norm, and i hope it never becomes that way.

Now personnaly when i see a post that is an obvious case of not reading the provided documentation, to me, more often then not, i simply woudlnt dignify that post with a response. Not even worth the time it takes to hit the reply button, let alone hit 4 keystrokes. I honestly wasn't even going to respond to this thread in the slightest, but the hostility really threw me. I dont mean to jump on anybody's case, all im saying is i think maybe the orginal responses were a tinsy bit too harsh.

[tiger_tim_34]

Thank you for your understanding, thank you for your moderation and my apologies once again to everyone who has worked unthinkably long hours to produce such an outstanding mod (not to mention comprehensive manual) that people like me enjoy for free.

I cannot tell you how much fun I'm having with this sim. Well I could, but this isn't the correct forum.

[melnibonian]

Thank you for your understanding, thank you for your moderation and my apologies once again to everyone who has worked unthinkably long hours to produce such an outstanding mod (not to mention comprehensive manual) that people like me enjoy for free.

I cannot tell you how much fun I'm having with this sim. Well I could, but this isn't the correct forum.
It's really OK mate. You don't have to thank anyone. Just go out there, sink some ships and enjoy the game. That's the best you can do for all the Devs in GWX:D :up:

[HunterICX]

Thank you for your understanding, thank you for your moderation and my apologies once again to everyone who has worked unthinkably long hours to produce such an outstanding mod (not to mention comprehensive manual) that people like me enjoy for free.

I cannot tell you how much fun I'm having with this sim. Well I could, but this isn't the correct forum.
It's really OK mate. You don't have to thank anyone. Just go out there, sink some ships and enjoy the game. That's the best you can do for all the Devs in GWX:D :up:

And ofcourse Read the manual, its not only for helping you out it takes you deeper in to the Uboat Warfare Athmosphere that GWX gives you.

[tiger_tim_34]

I did read the first version. Took awhile, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. :up:

[melnibonian]

I did read the first version. Took awhile, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. :up:
The manual was especially made huge, so you can have something to read on those long IXC and IXD2 patrols;) :D :up:

[danlisa]

In relation to the manual, I think the GWX Dev's especially went all out on it due to the heckles they received when TGW was released without a manual.;)

It certainly worked, I don't think many gamers have seen a manual like this one before.

[melnibonian]

I totally agree with Dan on this one. The GWX has a whole book not just a manual. There is a lot of information and references for further reading in there. Also the manual is very well written and it constantly evolving.

[Wilcke]

I am new to the forum and SH3+GWX1.02+SHCommander. What a great sim! I have asked a few questions and have always received corteous and concise answers.

I have been reading the "Manual", lots of them, so it does take a while to get up to speed. My recommendation and this is from someone that is new is to use the "Search" function on the Forum, I have gotten answers to 99.9% of my questions that I could not find in a manual using the "Search" feature.

I hope this helps the new folks that feel frustrated! Great forum by the way!

[mr chris]

Wilcke:up:
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[fredbass]

First of all, I'm glad everybody is smiling again on this thread. :)

Just a reminder: It may seem pretty obvious for us regulars here about where to go and what to do, but many folks aren't familiar with forums and it just seems easier for a newb to ask the question rather than trying to search for the answers first. Plus they don't realize that their question has already been asked a hundred times already, so let's try to keep that in mind everybody. :)

[Venatore]

I will answer noobs questions all day long, I don't and didn't forget where and how I was at "36 posts". Yes I understand the same bloody question/s keep re-appearing, and the noobs don't read the manuals, & how come my eels don't re-load, how come my crew don't fix the damage, how come, how come, how come.

We don't want this forum to turn into a "Monkey Tree"; what I mean by that is the the noob monkeys are sitting in the lowest part of the tree, and the senior experenced monkeys are at the top of the tree (with the good view). When the experenced monkeys look down all they see are smiling monkeys, but when the noob monkeys look up all they see are ass-holes.

:know:

[danlisa]

@ Venatore

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:LOL

[ReallyDedPoet]

I will answer noobs questions all day long, I don't and didn't forget where and how I was at "36 posts". Yes I understand the same bloody question/s keep re-appearing, and the noobs don't read the manuals, & how come my eels don't re-load, how come my crew don't fix the damage, how come, how come, how come.

We don't want this forum to turn into a "Monkey Tree"; what I mean by that is the the noob monkeys are sitting in the lowest part of the tree, and the senior experenced monkeys are at the top of the tree (with the good view). When the experenced monkeys look down all they see are smiling monkeys, but when the noob monkeys look up all they see are ass-holes.

:know:

:up::up: Like that attitude.

[Jimbuna]

:roll:
@Venatore :up:

[bigboywooly]

How come some @ssholes look bigger than other ones
:rotfl:

[Mush Martin]

cause some of them look like me :|\\