When a cargo ship becomes a submarine

[don1reed]

...and btw...

this is on Lake Superior in November...

ot: gives you an idea what happened to the, Edmund Fitzgerald:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/56/gl1oe8.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl1oe8.jpg)
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1669/gl2bg6.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl2bg6.jpg)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9121/gl3xh1.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl3xh1.jpg)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9831/gl4yn3.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl4yn3.jpg)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7505/gl5cj2.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl5cj2.jpg)

[Jimbuna]

Brings back memories of when I was in the navy in the late seventies...in very adverse weather conditions you would see the bow of the ship go under the surface and sometimes it could take 20 or so seconds for it to appear again :o

[don1reed]

a good reason to stand clear of the "bull nose", hey jim? :)

[Jimbuna]

Roger that mate :up:

[danurve]

Brings back memories of when I was in the navy in the late seventies...in very adverse weather conditions you would see the bow of the ship go under the surface and sometimes it could take 20 or so seconds for it to appear again :o

You could make a flight of stairs in 3 steps if you timed it right. :cool:

[Deamon]

This is an Atlantic storm right ?

[don1reed]

No, this is, Lake Superior, very cold, fresh water. There was always some minor animosity between fresh and salt water sailors...I never understood why. From a physical standpoint, each kind of liquid can drown a man just as dead.

[lesrae]

I suppose it beats swabbing the decks :arrgh!:

[Deamon]

So violent storms on a lake ?! :o

How big is that ship ?

[NEON DEON]

So violent storms on a lake ?! :o

How big is that ship ?

Maybee you should ask how big is the lake?

350 miles long by 160 miles wide!!:huh:

Superier is the largest fresh water lake in the world.

[ASWnut101]

that's Superior, not superier.:know:

[Polak]

Is it just me, or has the ships bow broken off in the last picture?

[don1reed]

So violent storms on a lake ?! :o

How big is that ship ?

Some of the ships that ply their trade on the Great Lakes are 1000 footers(300m)...more common size are 183m to 216m.

[Yahoshua]

For some reason or other I can just visualize a contest between two men, chained to the bow of the ship in this storm, to see who can withstand the abuse the longest.

Naturally, neither of them would survive.

[Bort]

The Great Lakes can be extremely dangerous, shipwrecks litter the bottoms of all of the lakes, and have most often been caused by misjudging the weather, which can get very very bad as you can see from the pictures. Also, the Lakes can act in ways not normally seen in the oceans, in Lake Michigan a sort of lake tsunami called a Seiche (http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/isgshome/seiche_info.htm) has killed plenty of people both on the shore and on the water. Ice is also a big issue in the winter, the Canadian and US Coast Guards both maintain a big icebreaker on the lakes to facilitate shipping and the USCG also maintains a few smaller tugs and bouy tenders that can break ice as well.
http://www.midwestconnection.com/glshpng/CoastGuard/images/Mackinaw.jpg

Brrrr!!:o

[Camaero]

Damn, that is one mean lake. :dead:

[Sailor Steve]

Here are links to the Edmund Fitzgerald, which Don1reed mentioned in his first post.

The ship and her story (plus some others):
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/fitz.html

The lyrics:
http://home.pacbell.net/chabpyne/lyrics.html

Listen to the song:
http://www.corfid.com/gl/wreck.htm

And a photo plus an explanation of the lyrics:
http://www.europa.com/~random7/fitz.htm

[kurtz]

IIRC (which I often don't) Convoy PQ17 had 3 'Lakers' which transferred from lake Superior and sailed for England, can't remember if they got there and can't find any of my books:oops: . (needed one for the French big gun sub on another thread):cry:

[bandi]

[edit]... removed to meet forum standards... cheers...

[lesrae]

Not the Great Lakes (I don't think) but this made me feel queasy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6TAGK86WfE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6TAGK86WfE)

[Sailor Steve]

Some Info from the Net... Good Read...
That was all in my fourth link.

Also, it's a good idea to post a link to where you get something, so people don't think you put it together yourself.

[bandi]

Some Info from the Net... Good Read...
That was all in my fourth link.

Also, it's a good idea to post a link to where you get something, so people don't think you put it together yourself.

Info from the Net

Well, I Stated I got it from the net, and I
was going meaning to place the link, as I
was returning back to thread and editing
it to include more info, plus I was reading
that info from the site and posting it at the
same time you were... but I was also at
work at the time, and ya beat me to the
post button... sorry to step all over the
rules on forum edicate(spl)... I guess I will
assume my role as a lurker... I don't know
why people feel the need to correct others
when they simple were trying to provide
some additional info or media... lighten up...
schools been out for me for many years...

cheers mate...

[Abraham]

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1669/gl2bg6.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl2bg6.jpg)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9121/gl3xh1.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl3xh1.jpg)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9831/gl4yn3.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl4yn3.jpg)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7505/gl5cj2.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gl5cj2.jpg)
"Dive! Dive! Dive!"
:lurk:

[Jimbuna]

Some Info from the Net... Good Read...
That was all in my fourth link.

Also, it's a good idea to post a link to where you get something, so people don't think you put it together yourself.

Info from the Net

Well, I Stated I got it from the net, and I
was going meaning to place the link, as I
was returning back to thread and editing
it to include more info, plus I was reading
that info from the site and posting it at the
same time you were... but I was also at
work at the time, and ya beat me to the
post button... sorry to step all over the
rules on forum edicate(spl)... I guess I will
assume my role as a lurker... I don't know
why people feel the need to correct others
when they simple were trying to provide
some additional info or media... lighten up...
schools been out for me for many years...

cheers mate...

Come on bandi...don't feel like that matey...I'm sure all that Steve meant was that it is a good idea to let people know where you source your info from because it also gives them a head start in enquiring further. :yep:
Two quick points:
1)Steve's an okay kind of guy...he's been around a lot longer than most and during that time he's been very supportive and informative to not only the forum but also to all the folk who use this forum. :yep:
2) Your participation on this forum is very much welcomed here...this is a friendly forum and the folk here will and do appreciate your contributions. :yep:
We all...everyone of us...began here at some point or other. :yep:
Keep yer chin up :up: and..................................SINK EM ALL!! :arrgh!:

[bandi]

Sorry for the disruption here on the Forum...

I have been here at subsim and receiving the
subsim news letter for years, I just have not
signed up or posted... TY for your patients...

I will still be around, and if there is something
I can post that is informative, I will still do so...

Thanks Again...

[don1reed]

Bandi--

Speaking as a retired military veteran, don't pay any attention to perceived disagreement, anger, harsh comment, or otherwise rudeness on anyone's part here on a public forum. There is a broad spectrum of diverse input, some brilliant, some not so...but, thats the nature of the brute.

...all comers are alway welcome. Without participation from the least of us, this little get-away from reality, would cease to exist. So, please stay and keep alive the memory of the one who appears in your signature.

edit: Everytime you post, you wave Ben's flag. It reminds everyone subliminally of the sacrafice others have paid so that Americans can breath freely.

cheers,