New "Unit": Debris / Flotsam for download

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

for all the mission designers amongst us I´ve uploaded part 1 of my flotsam package. This barrel is the first unit and I´d like to know whether it´s worth to continue creating other pieces of debris/flotsam. So, feel free to comment!

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1594/scrbarrel002zs8.png

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7172/scrbarrel001vm1.png

The barrel comes with multiple skins and works fine with NYGM and GWX. It may be installed easily using JSGME. Since it is defined as environmental unit you can´t eye it up in the museum. That´s why the download contains a tiny mission just for testing, without any objectives.

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UPDATE: 15-Feb-2007

The package (DD_Debris_V1_1.rar) is ready for download. (ca 13.8MB)

it contains:
+wooden barrel (reworked version)
+oildrum
+3 crates (same model, different rotating angles)
+lifebelt
+destroyed rowboat

+test mission

The mod was tested with GWX and NYGM2.2, worked fine with both.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4501/oildrum001tr0.png

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8098/c0010120034da.png

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3743/lifebelt002te2.png



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UPDATE: 16-May-2007

Moin,

V1.2 is ready for d/l.
I´ve added a floating mine. Unfortunately I didn´t manage to make it explode when hit, until now. That´s why it is dud. But who wants to risk live just to test?

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4162/mine002ob6.jpg http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8352/mine003sa9.jpg

The test mission has been updated too.

Full version: DD_Debris_V1.2.rar (http://files.filefront.com/DD_Debris_V12rar/;7523953;/fileinfo.html) (ca 13.83MB)
Update version : DD_Debris_V1.2_Update.rar (http://files.filefront.com/DD_Debris_V12_Updaterar/;7524066;/fileinfo.html) (ca 450KB)

Activate via JSGME.

Regards,
DD

[HEMISENT]

I for one think this is cool. It's the small details such as this that adds so much to the game.

[Venatore]

You have got to be joking , this is totally awsome ! how far can this game go ? I order you not to stop, the list could be endless !

Floating birds,
Floating navigation bouy's,
Floating survivor,
Floating dead body,

:up:

[longdog499]

Great idea Diving Duck.Please continue with it.:up:

[odinfish]

Great idea! I love all of the details as well. But what kind of a toll will this be graphically? Will this mod slow things things down at all?

[DivingDuck]

Moin,
Great idea! I love all of the details as well. But what kind of a toll will this be graphically? Will this mod slow things things down at all?
since the poly count for the model is pretty low (360 faces) and the skin is as small as 384KB the cpu/gpu workload will not increase perceptibly, if you don´t place dozens of barrels in the harbour basin. ;) But if the community calls for it, I will create low(er) poly versions.

Regards,
DD

[irish1958]

Diving Duck: Great addition. Please Keep going.

[HanSolo78]

Since ther german Ubi forum has problems.. I´ll answer here...
I just had the idea of debris in my mind the last days and that it would be a very nice detailed addition. And now you make my thoughts come true :)
If you could make more of them we should have the best atmosphere possible for months.

[Woof1701]

That's terrific addition. What will it do if I just install it? Nothing I guess. Has to be scripted manually into the campaign, hasn't it?

If there were more of these floatsome objects, could someone start scripting random environmental obejcts into the water in order not to have the same stuff floating around each time I leave port?

Another thing that came to mind and was discussed several times, was the floating debris that's popping up when a ship sinks, but almost immediately vanishes again. Could it be also modelled that there's more debris floating around after a ship sinks?

[_Seth_]

The Duck strikes again!!! Excellent, mate!! :up::up::up:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Great job, just go it.

[melnibonian]

That's a very good idea Sir:up:

[Vikinger]

This is a damn nice mod :) And yes please continue to do more of it.

[GT182]

Sweet mod DD. :up:

Navigation bouys, and swimming seagulls sound great. As for bodies and survivors..... :hmm: That might fill that part of the sea after a bit, where all those ships were sunk, so it's hard to navigate. LOL Just kidding. ;)

Bring it on. It all sounds great.

Also sounds like a great way to add floating mines to SHIII. :yep:

EDIT:
If you make each of them separate it would be easier for those that don't want certain parts easier not to use them. But I don't see why they'd do that. It's just a thought. ;)

[pontius]

Very nice, gute Arbeit Diving_Duck!!:up:

[bigboywooly]

Interesting idea DD
Yes please keep going mate

Very cool

[DivingDuck]

Thanks for all the pleasant replies and encouragement. Other items are in progress.

navigation bouy´s...
...will be covered by pontius, a new modder from the German UBI forum. See a screen here (http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2371008762/m/1631025594?r=4731001325#4731001325). (Try again if you get an error message. We have some trouble with the forum actually)

Regards,
DD

[AG124]

If there were more of these floatsome objects, could someone start scripting random environmental obejcts into the water in order not to have the same stuff floating around each time I leave port?
If there were generic environmental entries (type 105) in the campaign, then you may get icebergs instead of debris. That might look odd in some areas of the Atlantic, or in the Mediterranean.:o However, if one could create a second 'merchant' entry for environmental objects other than icebergs, this could possibly work.:hmm:

Also, DivingDuck, are you planning to create other type of debris such as crates or planks?

[Myxale]

I for one think this is cool. It's the small details such as this that adds so much to the game.

Bloody Right! Amen to that Bro!:rock:

"It's the small things that make a world look big!":know:

[bigboywooly]

Icebergs are covered differently in GWX AG
So they are now spottable

AFAIK there are currently no type105 entries in the GWX files so it wont be a problem to add generically

Just one q DD
Do they drift ? or do they need to be scripted as to show a drift

[DivingDuck]

Moin,
Also, DivingDuck, are you planning to create other type of debris such as crates or planks? yes I do. These are the next items to be released.

Do they drift ? or do they need to be scripted as to show a drift they drift, hopefully. Not tested so far. Presently they´re given a max speed of 1kt.

Regards,
DD

[The Munster]

You have got to be joking , this is totally awsome ! how far can this game go ? I order you not to stop, the list could be endless !

Floating birds,
Floating navigation bouy's,
Floating survivor,
Floating dead body,

:up:

Amen to that brother :up:

Floating birds = Ducks [pun ?] and Swans [usually get 2 of them, Male and Female] around Harbour area's.

PS Is requesting the Loch Ness Monster too extreme ? :rotfl:

[Samwolf]

How about Bernard in a life raft? :88)

[Safe-Keeper]

Keep it up, DivingDuck.

[bookworm_020]

A Pelican would be a good bird, may an albertross??:hmm:

A floating mine would be fun:huh: Just as long as I can use my AA guns on it!:p

[Vikinger]

logs and planks are common item that floats around in a harbour. Packs of seaweed as well.

Would be cool to have 2 flags whit a fishnet between them in shore areas.

darn you have much work to do if you gona try and implant all the request :D

[dertien]

If you can spawn these when ships sink you could make some nice lifeboats :D

Nice work !

[Tikigod]

What happens when you run into it? Does it reduce hull integrity? Would be cool to make some floating mines.

[iambecomelife]

What happens when you run into it? Does it reduce hull integrity? Would be cool to make some floating mines.

That's a good question - IMO this debris should be a danger to small craft, maybe, but not a U-Boat or a ship.

Great job as usual, Duck, and I hope to see more. Someone mentioned bodies and survivors - this is a good idea. IIRC IL2/Pacific Fighters has downed pilots as units, complete with life rafts - why not in SH3? :hmm: For the life of me I can't figure out why the game's makers thought we needed to be protected from this aspect of war.:roll: The fact is that between 1939 and 1945 the typical seafarer would have a good chance of encountering them at one point or another.

[edjcox]

You could create flotsam of bodies and then use code similar to the ship holes to darken them, especially in proximity to tankers...

Try a few Mae wests, inflatables, perhaps a pallet or two, single oil barrels, a mine, , single boards, how about damaged lifeboats with holes...


There's a whole series of macbre things to be done... Change the blue oil slick code to pink or reddish waters.... Parts of crews..... Feeding sharks..... Seagulls having a chum festival...

See if you can switch those dolphins into more toothful predators of the sea....

:hmm:

[Woof1701]

I'm in for life rafts! BUT if we have life rafts I opt that they're indistructable.

[Myxale]

You could create flotsam of bodies and then use code similar to the ship holes to darken them, especially in proximity to tankers...

Try a few Mae wests, inflatables, perhaps a pallet or two, single oil barrels, a mine, , single boards, how about damaged lifeboats with holes...


There's a whole series of macbre things to be done... Change the blue oil slick code to pink or reddish waters.... Parts of crews...

:hmm:

I thinks this is one of the most needed part of the game. The traces of war!

[LGN1]

Wow.

It would be really great to get a call from the watch crew that they have spotted some objects and you climb up and find an empty raft or empty lifeboat with your binoculars. Also some other stuff would be great.

Cheers, LGN1

[3Jane]

Oh definitely more yes, well done. Live floating birds would be nice. Bits of wood etc, all the junk sometimes seen in ports. I have always thought the ports were a little too clean :p This is of course before the E.U environmental regs. By the way, what is the emissions spectrum from an average U-Boat.

[3Jane]

Wow.

It would be really great to get a call from the watch crew that they have spotted some objects and you climb up and find an empty raft or empty lifeboat with your binoculars. Also some other stuff would be great.

Cheers, LGN1
Any way to make sinking ships generate these bits of debris and empty lifeboats etc. Full ones, non-animated survivors :hmm:. I mean in addition to the temporary bits of flotsam when one goes down. Accounts from air-crews in the war, say they could often see a debris trail from convoys. I think we can do without the bodies though, a little too much?

[Safe-Keeper]

I was always a fan of putting several ships together into one vessel and make a sort of eye-candy scene out of it.

Like a Red Cross Hospital Ship with life-boats and survivors, tugs towing a battleship, etc. Coming across something like that would be great.

[Phoenix3000]

Hi, good work with the mod!

I'm all for lifeboats in SH3 - recently there was another thread on this subject:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=101521

As you probably know SH3's developers originally left out lifeboats and survivors on morality grounds. They didn't want you shooting them in the water etc.

As before I suggest making the lifeboats invincible - no matter how many shells, bullets or rammings you use, they will not sink. This should please everyone.

I've often found that is something missing in SH3. It seems reasonable to assume that shortly after torpedoing a large merchant there would be a bunch of lifeboats bobbing around as the crew scramble for safety - this is definitely something I would like to see.

In this link you can see a lifeboat mod that was made, but was never made available - again it would have been nice:

http://web.telia.com/~u18230645/ (http://web.telia.com/%7Eu18230645/)

Anyway, great work!

Certainly look forward to downloading this!

Px3000

[dertien]

Hi, good work with the mod!

I'm all for lifeboats in SH3 - recently there was another thread on this subject:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=101521

As you probably know SH3's developers originally left out lifeboats and survivors on morality grounds. They didn't want you shooting them in the water etc.

As before I suggest making the lifeboats invincible - no matter how many shells, bullets or rammings you use, they will not sink. This should please everyone.

I've often found that is something missing in SH3. It seems reasonable to assume that shortly after torpedoing a large merchant there would be a bunch of lifeboats bobbing around as the crew scramble for safety - this is definitely something I would like to see.

In this link you can see a lifeboat mod that was made, but was never made available - again it would have been nice:

http://web.telia.com/~u18230645/ (http://web.telia.com/%7Eu18230645/)

Anyway, great work!

Certainly look forward to downloading this!

Px3000
I am for destructible liferafts, but with a negative renown kick equal to sinking a hospital ship, Or face court martial and end the campaign with the according message an lose onkel Karl's goodwill forever?

[Safe-Keeper]

Downloaded and installed.

Only question is if you could make it a Submarine instead of a Ship, so that we can put it below the water-line.

Oh, and please let's not turn this into yet another lifeboat thread.

[aloe1]

fantastic love it :rock:

[Safe-Keeper]

A floating piece of wood with random letters on it would be swell. Imagine cruising along and seeing floating barrels, crates and some junk reading something partial. You could even have the officer spot it and have it display with the name "Floatsam" on the map, and have the TGA shape be the sunken ship icon.

Oh, and while I remember it, I'd like you to know that there are now three barrels floating about in Bergen harbour;). Whether or not I decide to include them in NorOps* is a different question.

*only with your go-ahead, 'course.

[edjcox]

How about a Coconut with PT-109 msg scrawled on it.. We could say it drifted to the Atlantc side and forget about the timeline issue....

I love the pretense where in a game you are playing you sink and destroy ships carrying hundred or even thousands of souls some cannot bear the thought that they might see a body or two on the waves or even a limb or two....

The sooner the ostrich head is back in the sand hole the sooner the train barrelling towards you goes away???????


For me the more realistic the game is the better it plays.....

Take that Pirates barrell and render it as an oil drum. Change it to a sphere and stick some percussion spikes on it for a mine, keep the mods a coming...

:rotfl:

[rascal101]

YEAH What he said!!! and then some.

I doubt if any one put to sea in the 1940s with wooden barrels, can youy do an oil drum as well.

No critisism intended just thougth an oil drum would be nice perhaps a few wooden boxes etc

How about a Coconut with PT-109 msg scrawled on it.. We could say it drifted to the Atlantc side and forget about the timeline issue....

I love the pretense where in a game you are playing you sink and destroy ships carrying hundred or even thousands of souls some cannot bear the thought that they might see a body or two on the waves or even a limb or two....

The sooner the ostrich head is back in the sand hole the sooner the train barrelling towards you goes away???????


For me the more realistic the game is the better it plays.....

Take that Pirates barrell and render it as an oil drum. Change it to a sphere and stick some percussion spikes on it for a mine, keep the mods a coming...

:rotfl:

[DivingDuck]

Moin,
YEAH What he said!!! and then some.

I doubt if any one put to sea in the 1940s with wooden barrels, can youy do an oil drum as well.

No critisism intended just thougth an oil drum would be nice perhaps a few wooden boxes etc

No problem. More units are under construction:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7463/scrcrate001ht6.jpg

A set of crates will be released soon. The *.zon files drive me crazy actually. Hope I´ll get the point sooner than later. The barrel´s *.zon is in revision too.

Regards,
DD

[Pants]

Outstanding DD :up: This brings "more life" to the game

[rascal101]

All Hail the Diving Duck

Moin,
YEAH What he said!!! and then some.

I doubt if any one put to sea in the 1940s with wooden barrels, can youy do an oil drum as well.

No critisism intended just thougth an oil drum would be nice perhaps a few wooden boxes etc

No problem. More units are under construction:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7463/scrcrate001ht6.jpg

A set of crates will be released soon. The *.zon files drive me crazy actually. Hope I´ll get the point sooner than later. The barrel´s *.zon is in revision too.

Regards,
DD

[Myxale]

:rock:
Über
:yep:

[Mr.Fleck]

Very nice work DivingDuck! :up:

Although I agree that we should not start another "Life boat" thread, I think they would be a nice addition to scripted missions or movies. So if you have enough time, I think some of us would like to see life boats ;).

Cheers!
Mr. Fleck

[Venatore]

I noticed that some cargo ships carry trucks, could these be put on the docks ?

[Safe-Keeper]

I asked for tanks and trucks and the like as Land units a long time ago, but nothing ever came of it. Would be nice, though.

[Payoff]

You could go in a different direction also, and have some U-boat specific items floating such as a logbook, charts, captains hat, wooden framed chalkboard with depth charge count (dont know if a wood frame would float slate) and misc food items.


:help:

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

@SK + Venatore:
should be no problem to place a truck on the pier.


@Payoff:
the problem with very small items is, that the object´s pivot center is pretty close to the water line. That´s why they tend to float above the water in the troughs of the sea.


And this is the actual status:

barrel_01 is finished, *.zon and *.sim reworked
lifebelt finished
models of crate_01 thru 03 ready, adjusting *.zon and *.sim
planks´models under construction
oildrum model is ready, adjusting *.zon and *.sim
destroyed rowboat under construction


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8098/c0010120034da.png

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1203/lifebelt001qx7.png http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8727/lifebelt002np8.png

Regards,
DD

[Myxale]

:rock:

This is so mind bending! Amazing work there mate!

[Safe-Keeper]

Now we only need some circling sharks and disembodied body parts... or mayhaps not:p.

[_Seth_]

@DivingDuck: Im really impressed of your work, mate! You really know your way around the 3D stuff! Thank you for the contributions you have given/are giving to the sub-simming community! I believe i have everyone behind me on that!:up::up::up:
Now: Get back to work! ;)

[Safe-Keeper]

Related question (a more serious one): Is it possible to make the various types of smoke, fire, and oil slicks into land/air objects for scenery purposes (by making invisible sea/air/land objects and attaching the effects to them?

I'd love to leave harbour late-war seeing smoke plumes and fires rise from some of the buildings following bombing raids.

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

@SK:
it´s a pretty good idea to place a dummy funnel object in a building. The major part would be the adjustment of the smoke column, I think.
Don´t know if one can bring fire to the buildings/installations too. To start the fire you would have to tell the SHIII engine that your "vessel" (building) has been destroyed.

Regards,
DD

[Safe-Keeper]

Well, my idea was to place his "smoke/fire" object inside or on top of the building, to make it look like it was the building that burned.

[Payoff]

Wow, looks good so far DD. Nice work. :up:

[Filax]

Moin,

@SK + Venatore:
should be no problem to place a truck on the pier.


@Payoff:
the problem with very small items is, that the object´s pivot center is pretty close to the water line. That´s why they tend to float above the water in the troughs of the sea.


And this is the actual status:
barrel_01 is finished, *.zon and *.sim reworked
lifebelt finished
models of crate_01 thru 03 ready, adjusting *.zon and *.sim
planks´models under construction
oildrum model is ready, adjusting *.zon and *.sim
destroyed rowboat under constructionhttp://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8098/c0010120034da.png

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1203/lifebelt001qx7.png http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8727/lifebelt002np8.png

Regards,
DD
Hi

are the reworked barrel and lifebelt available for download already? And I see a crate in the water on the last screenie. Ready to release also?
Keep up posting screenshots showing the progress of your work. I love it. I especially like crate 1 /row 2, crate 3 / row 2 and crate 2 / row 3.

Filax

[Tikigod]

More ring designs if you want some variety....most of these come from ships of 1900's era couldn't find any 1940's...I've seen some in black in white photos but, they don't really help for color/texture patterns.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/Tikigod78/liferings.jpg

Also, here is luftwaffe survival gear:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/Tikigod78/Luftwaffeonemanliferaft.jpg

Close up of jacket:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/Tikigod78/luftwafflifejacket.jpg

Uboat crew at sea:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/Tikigod78/U-crew-1.jpg

[DivingDuck]

Hi Tikigod,

thanks for the input. Since my lifebelt uses external textures some of these will be incorporated to increase variety.

Regards,
DD

[thefretmaster]

hi i saw this thred ad it just inspired me to have a go at 3ds max moddeling. i saw the lifeboat and had a go, (sorry diving duck if this is invading your project, but i just wanted a go at a model) no idea how to impliment it into the game but tell me what you think. oh the texturing needs an overhaul.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/backside.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/front.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/top.jpghttp://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/back.jpg

[Letum]

how many pollys?

[thefretmaster]

yeh thats what i was thinking i dont know how to find out :oops:

aah 2440 too many i think?

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

...(sorry diving duck if this is invading your project, but i just wanted a go at a model) no idea how to impliment it into the game but tell me what you think. oh the texturing needs an overhaul. don´t worry. The model looks fine. If you like, I could guide you to implement.

aah 2440 too many i think? That´s way too much. 500 polys would be ok, I think.


Actual progress:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4501/oildrum001tr0.png

@Letum:
520 poly for the oildrum, and there´s still potential to optimize. ;)

Regards,
DD

[Safe-Keeper]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/back.jpg Most life-boats can't fly. You might want to correct that:p.

Looking good, though.

[thefretmaster]

nono this one can its one of hitlers new inventions like the backwards plane!

anyway any ideas on how to reduce the poly count?

[DivingDuck]

Hi,
...anyway any ideas on how to reduce the poly count?
go to polygon level and select all polys. Then look for a modifier named OPTIMIZE. You may have to adjust the thresholds.
Or you start over again and create the whole dinghy from one box/cylinder by extruding the faces. SHIII smoothes all objects, so there is no need to chamfer any edge to the maximum. It´s sufficient if a cylinder has 12 sides!

Regards,
DD

[thefretmaster]

ah ok im a bit of a modeling retard/begginner :D oh btw i just tried your barrels for the first time, exelent work mate i am concerned about the amount of noize it makes when you hit them! its like you're hitting a barrel made of tonnes of steel, apart from that, exelent project

[Stev1]

How about Floating Dead Fish floating in the Harbour area.:up:

[DivingDuck]

ah ok im a bit of a modeling retard/begginner :D oh btw i just tried your barrels for the first time, exelent work mate i am concerned about the amount of noize it makes when you hit them! its like you're hitting a barrel made of tonnes of steel, apart from that, exelent project
The sound is a problem. The barrel itself doesn´t contain a *.dsd. So the noise is "produced" by your u-boat hitting the barrel. And I don´t know how to fix that. :damn:

As for the modelling, create a box/cylinder (not more than 12 sides) and convert it to editable mesh. Then, presuming you´ve selected the object, go to polygon level. You may now extrude, resize, rotate the face. This way you may build objects a simple way and the polycount remains low. For your dinghy you could even use loft extrusion technique, but that´s a little more challenging as the profile changes in size.

Regards,
DD

[Safe-Keeper]

Couldn't the barrel just be made "ethereal" so that you went right through it?

[thefretmaster]

ok i recreated the dinghy. i havnt got on to texturing yet but it took like 5 mins. i just created a cylendar with i think 10 length segs and 11 sides. shaped it
also i created a fish lol :p

so far the dinghy is 249 polys.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/fishfinal.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/dinghy2.jpg

[bigboywooly]

Looks just as good with a fraction of the polys

[Tikigod]

Debris field after a U.S. Submarine attack on Japanese Merchant (wooden)
screens taken from "Submarine Warfare" European and Pacific Theatre documentary.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/Tikigod78/debris1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/Tikigod78/debris2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/Tikigod78/debris3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/Tikigod78/debris4.jpg

[Madox58]

The sound is a problem. The barrel itself doesn´t contain a *.dsd. So the noise is "produced" by your u-boat hitting the barrel. And I don´t know how to fix that. :damn:


Try this little Rule for TT's file analyzer.
I created it just for you so let me know if it works. :yep:
http://files.filefront.com/DD_Rule7z/;6655171;;/fileinfo.html

[STEED]

Heck at this rate my U-Boat will have lots of dents in it. :lol:

Great work guys. :up:

[DivingDuck]

Moin,


The sound is a problem. The barrel itself doesn´t contain a *.dsd. So the noise is "produced" by your u-boat hitting the barrel. And I don´t know how to fix that. :damn:

Try this little Rule for TT's file analyzer.
I created it just for you so let me know if it works. :yep:
http://files.filefront.com/DD_Rule7z/;6655171;;/fileinfo.html thanks, that´s awesome. Seems that I have to re-insert the *.dsd file. Never used TT´s file analyzer so far. But I´ll give it a try. If that works you´re my next "Skipper of the month nominee".

@thefretmaster:
249 polys is great. Let´s see how it looks like when textured. The dead fish looks fine too. But I´m afraid to tell you that it won´t be possible to incorporate as "flotsam" item because of its small size. First of all you would hardly recognize it, second it would float above the water as it is more inert than the water and the SHIII physics engine isn´t that accurate.

@Tikigod:
You seem to live in an photo archive, don´t you? Do you have any photographs of burned timber that may be used for texturing. I´ve found nothing.

Regards,
DD

[Madox58]

TT"s tools are handy indeed. I hope he decides to finish version 2 of
the File Analyzer. It's suppose to write rules for the mini tweaker.
Mini tweaker needs a text option also.


I'm wondering, if you fire a magnetic past the oil drum, would it go off?

[DivingDuck]

Hi privateer,

I´ve investigated the *.dsd using TT´s file analyzer and my beloved hex editor. Seems that there´s indeed a way to attach the correct sound to my debris items. But unfortunately I´ve thrown away the *.dsd file already. So I´ll have to write one from scratch myself or edit the existing "mother´s" *.dsd to match my unit. Oh, I wish I wouldn´t keep my trashbin that clean all the time.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4501/oildrum001tr0.png

Regards,
DD

[Madox58]

I can Upload the AntiSubNet.dsd if you want.
I figured it was the smallest and easiest to use.

http://files.filefront.com/AntiSubNetdsd/;6655898;;/fileinfo.html

Here you go. 1 value was changed in testing.
You'll see it I'm sure.

[Madox58]

Is there a Node for attaching the .dsd file or just nameing it to match
the main files? :hmm:

I set the ID areas changeable to save doing a clone with Pack3d.
Is this correct?:hmm:

[Madox58]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/fishfinal.jpg
Hmmm, How about this then.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Sub/Dead_Whale.jpg

[Jmack]

will there be a mod pack of this floating stuff ? i mean ... all together in a single mod ?

[Madox58]

I would bet that it will be a rolling type deal.
Get the latest release and as new units are added
it would include all the early units.
Later installs would also include updates to older units.

That is my guess.

Kick me if I'm wrong! :o

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

@Jmack:
Yes, it will be released as one mod. And reading privateer´s post makes me think of accepting his application for press spokesman and product managing director. ;)


Regards,
DD

[DivingDuck]

@privateer:


going nuts about this damn sound problem. I´ve created a new *.dsd file from the AntiSubmarineNet.dsd. It contains all I need, an external / internal sound. But no matter what I do, the barrel "screams" as if it was made from iron when hit. :damn:

Regards,
DD

[bigboywooly]

Are you sure that sound is from the barrel ?
Could it be the sub making the "scream"
IIRC everything I have hit sounds the same - and I have hit a few things
:rotfl:

[ref]

But no matter what I do, the barrel "screams" as if it was made from iron when hit. :damn:

Regards,
DD

The problem is that your sub knows what you did last summer...

Ref

[thefretmaster]

lol that whale rules!!, i want it just for laughs :rock:

[ref]

Is there a Node for attaching the .dsd file or just nameing it to match
the main files? :hmm:

I set the ID areas changeable to save doing a clone with Pack3d.
Is this correct?:hmm:

It's referenced by id/parent, the sounds must be linked by it's parent to an existing id in the dat file.

Ref

[ref]

@privateer:


going nuts about this damn sound problem. I´ve created a new *.dsd file from the AntiSubmarineNet.dsd. It contains all I need, an external / internal sound. But no matter what I do, the barrel "screams" as if it was made from iron when hit. :damn:

Regards,
DD

I can check the files if you want, I've done some work with dsd files for the dolphin.
Also the dsd sounds must point to an entry in the sdl file, they are not linked directly to a wav file

Ref

[Madox58]

@DD, I found that there is a master command in the Sh3.sdl that sets the collision sound. :nope:
I'm attempting to find a work around now. :yep:

[thefretmaster]

good luck on the sound issues guys, i have finished my life raft, now to put it in the game, is there any tutorials anywhere you could point me to?

353 polys

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/dinghyfin.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/thefretmaster/dinghyfin2.jpg

[bigboywooly]

WOW :o
Very cool looking
Nice one

Never seen a tutorial around

[thefretmaster]

i havnt smoothed the model, it might just be the light or somthing. its 3ds max, what the game was made on so im told i guess ill have to try it before anything can be said

[bigboywooly]

Try using the dat of DDs barrel as a start point
Make a copy and rename it to what you want - try to keep the amount of letters the same unless you can hex change the dat
Rename all files the same in the folder
Clone using pack3d - version 2 or 3
Then import you new object in - to replace the barrel.obj

You should be able to use and see ingame then

If you have the barrel download you will see the make up of the files and where they need to go ingame

[thefretmaster]

what about textures how do i go about setting them up? i have all the files, just where to put them and that?

edit: i should probably make this clearer, the baot uses i think 3 different outside texture files, how do i set it to find them? ill have to move them to somewhere in the sh3 files, either roster or sea, so should i create folders now (inside sh3 folder) and set up 3ds to know where they are so it will work on other pc's?

[bigboywooly]

You can import the texture into the dat as well - to replace the one in there
Again rename it to suit

[UBOAT234]

Someone has tried to add an object with Smooth? Perhaps adding an other equal object only with the channel smooth?

BEST REGARDS
UBOAT234

[thefretmaster]

ok so... i export as .obj,
do all the pack 3d stuff, with the textures
and the model will know where the textures now are?
sorry im a bit of a noob, and sorry if i keep asking.
i did have a thaught, scale. would it be best to import the say submarine model next to the life boat and then scale the life boat down roughly to the right size? or is there a better way?
thanks again for your help

[bigboywooly]

ok so... i export as .obj,
do all the pack 3d stuff, with the textures
and the model will know where the textures now are?
sorry im a bit of a noob, and sorry if i keep asking.
i did have a thaught, scale. would it be best to import the say submarine model next to the life boat and then scale the life boat down roughly to the right size? or is there a better way?
thanks again for your help

Yes the dat will know where the texture is
Hey if you dont ask you dont find out :up:

Not sure about scaling
That may be a way to do it
Where are all the 3d modellers when you need then
:rotfl:

[Madox58]

Yes, Import like one of the crew from the weapons crew dat.
That will give you a good scale to start working with.

And since SH4 is gonna have life rafts and survivors,
You might want to put him in the raft.

[U-snafu]

These knew additions are just:o :o :o :cool: :cool: . Gone for a few weeks and amazed at all of the new add ons.


DD, just curious did you ever get your marina docks worked out??

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

I´m off for a day and this thread burst at the seams.

It's referenced by id/parent, the sounds must be linked by it's parent to an existing id in the dat file. I did so. I used my barrel´s object id as parent. But without any success. Might be I have to go to the doctor to get my ears checked.

what about textures how do i go about setting them up? i have all the files, just where to put them and that? It depends. You can use internal textures that will be imported to the *.dat or an external one.
Internal:
You´ll have to create the appropriate number of nodes in the *.dat
Import your texture files (*.tga) to *.dat using Pack3D
Make sure all polys using the same texture have the same id
Adjust or create the data block in the *.dat that controls the texture-poly correlationExternal
put all textures together in one
rework the uvw mapping to deal with one texture file
name the texture SHIPNAME_T01 / SHIPNAME_T02 / SHIPNAME_T??
place the texture in the vessels folder
be sure to have a vessel cloned that uses external skins (e.g. my barrel) or create a node that references external texturesIf you need help, just ask.


i did have a thaught, scale. would it be best to import the say submarine model next to the life boat and then scale the life boat down roughly to Check my filefront site and download Skalenwand.rar. You can use it for correct scaling.


Someone has tried to add an object with Smooth? Perhaps adding an other equal object only with the channel smooth? Not possible. The 3d program´s smoothing groups will be ignored. In case you apply smoothing to your object, SHIII skips it and even stops smoothing it by making all edges angular.

DD, just curious did you ever get your marina docks worked out?? It´s in the pipeline. The *.zon is still waiting for adjustment.

Regards,
DD

[UBOAT234]

...
be sure to have a vessel cloned that uses external skins (e.g. my barrel) or create a node that references external textures...

Is possible, create one or more reference to external Texture? Have you try?

BEST REGARDS
UBOAT234

[DivingDuck]

Moin UBOAT234,

yes, I´ve tried hard to attach more than one external skin set to a vessel. But unfortunately without any access. It doesn´t matter what the node´s name is. When set to use external textures the only fact that matters is the name of the texture, SHIPNAME_T01 / ..._T02 / ..._T??.

Regards,
DD

[Madox58]

@Ref , I too set all the ID's properly, added a new sdl entry also.
I have something a little wrong in the sdl as I CTD now. :lol:
But it's something I need to learn to do correctly so no big deal
and can be fixed.

Looking at the GWX sdl now as there are quit a few new entries.
What I'm not sure about is the bytes before "SoundInfo"

Example: 26 01 22 01 00 00 SoundInfo
:hmm:

Also, anyone have a vanilla SH3.sdl handy?
Seems I deleted mine. :oops:

[GlobalExplorer]

Just one word : awesome!

Like many aothers before, I had this idea myself .. and I hoped someone would do the hard work!

[thefretmaster]

thanks guys and thanks dd for everything :up: to you all. im just having a go with pack 3d now

[ref]

@Ref , I too set all the ID's properly, added a new sdl entry also.
I have something a little wrong in the sdl as I CTD now. :lol:
But it's something I need to learn to do correctly so no big deal
and can be fixed.

Looking at the GWX sdl now as there are quit a few new entries.
What I'm not sure about is the bytes before "SoundInfo"

Example: 26 01 22 01 00 00 SoundInfo
:hmm:

Also, anyone have a vanilla SH3.sdl handy?
Seems I deleted mine. :oops:

three word values (two byte integer)
size, size1, unknown (allways 0?)
size1 = block size (including Soundinfo label)
size = size1+4


Ref

[thefretmaster]

im havning trouble exporting the .obj from max. i say to use the material library materials and to create a library, i say to save maps and the program crashes, no explanation and then asks about error reports. man this is starting to annoy me

[twotone]

Moin,

for all the mission designers amongst us I´ve uploaded part 1 of my flotsam package. This barrel is the first unit and I´d like to know whether it´s worth to continue creating other pieces of debris/flotsam. So, feel free to comment!

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1594/scrbarrel002zs8.png

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7172/scrbarrel001vm1.png

The barrel comes with multiple skins and works fine with NYGM and GWX. It may be installed easily using JSGME. Since it is defined as environmental unit you can´t eye it up in the museum. That´s why the download contains a tiny mission just for testing, without any objectives.

It is available for d/l at my filefront page (http://hosted.filefront.com/DivingDuck).

Regards,
DD

O god yes you have to make like a floatsome of like lost at sea men in dingys and ship wreckage so you cna like pilot by them and michine gun them down... god im cruel.....

but really it woudl be cool to see men in a dingy out in the middle of nowhere...

[thefretmaster]

i have decided that for now i am going to try somthing easyer, i am going to take the inflatable lifeboat that you see on the ships, and put that into the game as a flotsam object, however after looking round for a while i have no idea where it is, is it a seperate file atall or is it part of a ship? any ideas on locations? also what is the location of the crew member file, like the ones from the deckguns and depthcharges
thanks

[Madox58]

three word values (two byte integer)
size, size1, unknown (allways 0?)
size1 = block size (including Soundinfo label)
size = size1+4

Ref

Well Crap! :o
How could I miss that? :damn:
Now that you point it out that is probably the only area
I had screwed up. :nope:

Thank You Sir!:up:

[bigboywooly]

IIRC its called BPNeum or something like that

Did you try to export your obj on its own without mtl ?
If that works ok then try with mtl but without the library

[Madox58]

Weapon_CREW.dat in the Library folder.

[thefretmaster]

ok cool
im just redoing it texture wise

[iambecomelife]

i have decided that for now i am going to try somthing easyer, i am going to take the inflatable lifeboat that you see on the ships, and put that into the game as a flotsam object, however after looking round for a while i have no idea where it is, is it a seperate file atall or is it part of a ship? any ideas on locations? also what is the location of the crew member file, like the ones from the deckguns and depthcharges
thanks

Rafts can be extracted from the DAT files of most warships & merchants. They have the prefix "boat" for their obj files - for instance, the boat01, boat02, and so on. lifeBOATS are normally designated by the prefix "barca".

On a side note, I have been interested in releasing all of the game's lifeboats, rafts, and motor launches as small craft separate from their mother ships but I don't know how to edit the ZON files. :dead:

[Madox58]

With units that small, only a single box and sphere should be needed I'm
guessing.
Perfect Job for Mini tweaker and a custom Rule.

[DivingDuck]

Good morning all,

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7498/barrel002qi8.jpg

I´ve used one box, not shown on this pic and 9 spheres for my barrel´s updated version.
A tool to edit these spheres would be very much appreciated since it´s quite a lot of work to enter all these data by hex editing.

Regards,
DD

[thefretmaster]

right ok, i have been trying to figure out pack 3d for hours now and i dont have a clue, :damn: i copied the barrel folder and changed all the names, tried to clone the now copied dat file, i dont know if this did anything or what it did, i tried importing my model (im using a simpler model for testing its a piece of floating box i guess) it said this object cannot be imported, and the same for the textures. i dont have a clue what im meant to be doing, if someone has a link to a good tutorial on what im meant to be doing that would be great, otherwise could someone pm me some instructions please?
thanks again you guys rule :up:

[Madox58]

What was the error message?
Do an extract all to get Pack3d mtl.
edit the mtl file to match your file names then try to import again.

Example mtl

#MTL generated by Pack3D USNKShip.dat (This is my dat file name)
newmtl Complete_render_ready (This is my obj file name)
Ka 0.0 0.0 0.0
Kd 0.3 0.3 0.3
Ks 0.1 0.1 0.1
d 1.0
illum 1
Ns 0
map_Kd K_Ship.tga (This is my TGA file name)

[DivingDuck]

Moin,
right ok, i have been trying to figure out pack 3d for hours now and i dont have a clue, :damn: i copied the barrel folder and changed all the names, tried to clone the now copied dat file, i dont know if this did anything or what it did, i tried importing my model (im using a simpler model for testing its a piece of floating box i guess) it said this object cannot be imported, and the same for the textures. i dont have a clue what im meant to be doing, if someone has a link to a good tutorial on what im meant to be doing that would be great, otherwise could someone pm me some instructions please?
thanks again you guys rule :up:
If you use the barrel as "mother" to clone from, you don´t have to import the texture. Just name your texture file UNITNAME_T01.tga. SHIII grabs the texture and attaches it to the object ingame.
As for the object make sure you´ve selected the parent folder entry before hitting IMPORT. I´m at work actually and can not post any screens, but tomorrow morning I´ll have some time (08:00-15:00Z) to do so. Might be the right time for you. I´m sure we´ll get you on your way soon. If we should not for any reason, I´ll do it for you.
In case you get error messages concerning the *.mtl file be sure not to rename the object´s name without altering all the entries in the *.mtl, as privateer already mentioned. You better export to new *.obj/*.mtl if you wish t rename.


Regards,
DD

[thefretmaster]

thanks alot again man this is really helpfull, ill try it out in a minute:up:

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

The package (DD_Debris_V1_1.rar) is ready for download. (ca 13.8MB)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1594/scrbarrel002zs8.png

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7172/scrbarrel001vm1.png

it contains:
+wooden barrel (reworked version)
+oildrum
+3 crates (same model, different rotating angles)
+lifebelt
+destroyed rowboat

+test mission

The mod was tested with GWX and NYGM2.2, worked fine with both.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4501/oildrum001tr0.png

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8098/c0010120034da.png

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3743/lifebelt002te2.png




It is available for d/l at my filefront page (http://hosted.filefront.com/DivingDuck).

Regards,
DD

[Safe-Keeper]

Good men. It's DD_Debris_v1.1.rar, right?

Could I include it in NorOps? Not exclusively, of course, I want it available for everyone else, too.

That rowboat would look so perfect on some fjord beach:sunny:.

[DivingDuck]

Hi S-K,

It's DD_Debris_v1.1.rar, right? It is. I´ll update the posts.
Feel free to use. BTW, the marina is still alive. It´s almost ready, but I have problems to keep it in position. Although I´ve increased the values for LR / FR drag it tends to drift away.

Regards,
DD

[Alex]

That rowboat would look so perfect on some fjord beach:sunny:

:yep: :up: http://yelims1.free.fr/Banane/Banane01.gif

[bigboywooly]

Nice work as ever DD
:up:
Looking forward to playing around with this

[STEED]

Great work there DD well done. :up: :rock: :up: :rock:

[Safe-Keeper]

OK, so I added the rowboat to a bech near the village/town of Os (south of Bergen), but it appeared to not show up (I had accidentally set the test mission to start at 23:45). Hours later, come daylight, I found it drifting nearby. The waves were obviously pushing it from its start position.

[_Seth_]

:o:o:o Really , DivingDuck, you have to be from another planet, or something!!! This exceeds everything, mate!!!! Excellent work!:up::up:

[Reece]

:up:

[Venatore]

This is one totally awsome mod, thankyou so much !

[SquareSteelBar]

Hi DD,

many thanks for that nice release.:up:
Is it possible to additionally upload it elsewhere? Preferably to Terrapin's Site?
Since one week I'm not able to dl from FileFront anymore for some weird reasons.
:damn:
- Does anybody know what's goin' on there?

Greeting,
SSB

[Morts]

could anyone upload it to another site:)
filefront wont let me download:shifty:

[Tikigod]

Those lifebelts :o wow!

Those look incredibly real!

Excellent work :up:

[Safe-Keeper]

Here's hoping GWX implements all this come the next update.

Edit: If you put the rowboat on land, it rattles a little before settling down, but it lies still once it "gives up" trying to get off the ground. The barrel is far worse, it jumps around like a kangaroo and eventually leaps into the water unless it's placed far in-land.

[bigboywooly]

Not had chance to look at this yet
Can you adjust the height ?
If you can ,you can " drag " the models into land so they appear half buried

Will have to have a look once finished with the GWX update

[Safe-Keeper]

Read the "Edit" section of my last post:p.

DivingDuck, if you could create an intact rowboat as a land unit, possibly with a selection of different textures, that'd be really great:up:.

[aloe1]

Looks great but cant get it to download on filefront ????:cry: :cry: :cry:

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

@all:
thank you for your allowance. I´m surprised how many have downloaded it already.

@SSB:
tried to upload it to URBS - no success.

@S-K:
Here's hoping GWX implements all this come the next update.

Edit: If you put the rowboat on land, it rattles a little before settling down, but it lies still once it "gives up" trying to get off the ground. The barrel is far worse, it jumps around like a kangaroo and eventually leaps into the water unless it's placed far in-land. never tried to put a barrel on shore. I´ll have to check that one out. I´ll report back when the error is found. Meanwhile you could clone a new barrel and delete the *.sim file. This way it will never ever move an inch.

DivingDuck, if you could create an intact rowboat as a land unit, possibly with a selection of different textures, that'd be really great:up:.Yes, I´ll deliver the intact rowboat in addition, different textures will need some time. But why do you want to have it as a land unit?

Those lifebelts :o wow!

Those look incredibly real! It was you who found the photographs. Thank you.

Regards,
DD

[Safe-Keeper]

Yes, I´ll deliver the intact rowboat in addition, different textures will need some time. But why do you want to have it as a land unit?I want to make some villages with rowboats pulled up on the shore, for atmosphere's sake.

[Capt.Crackerjack]

:cry: Please help! Same problem as mentioned by aloe1 and others: please give alternate d/l site because Filefront is blocking access!

[bigboywooly]

:cry: Please help! Same problem as mentioned by aloe1 and others: please give alternate d/l site because Filefront is blocking access!

Try it here also

http://www.mediafire.com/?cwtwn3fknwi

[Capt.Crackerjack]

:up: Ok, got it; thanks for the alternate d/l site help!

[Myxale]

This is a must have mod! :up:
Great work there!

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

thanks BBW for uploading it to another site. Tried several hosting services already. URBS seems to have a server problem, actually. Filefactory denied my access too, until this morning. So here´s one more alternative d/l : DD_Debris_V1_1.rar (http://www.filefactory.com/file/d1dd2a/) (ca13.8MB)

Enjoy and report back for problems or suggestions!

Regards,
DD

[Morts]

:cry: Please help! Same problem as mentioned by aloe1 and others: please give alternate d/l site because Filefront is blocking access!
Try it here also

http://www.mediafire.com/?cwtwn3fknwi


thanks BBQ...i mean BBW:up:

:rotfl::rotfl:

[bigboywooly]

:hmm:

No worries DD
Hope you didnt mind mate

[SquareSteelBar]

THANKS http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8399/thumbsup4kk.gif

to DD and bbw for providing additional DLs

SSB:rock:

[Safe-Keeper]

This will be so good.

[NiKuTa]

Nice work :). this look great :).
If anyone want this derbits in capaing - download this file http://files.filefront.com/Derbits_in_campaingrar/;6769818;;/fileinfo.html

Instalatnion.
-You mast have Derbits V.1.1
-you must be in port
-beckup you campaing file (now only Campaign_RND.mis)
-Open mission editor
-Open - Campaign_RND.mis end merge your Campaign_RND.mis with my mod (derbits.mis).
-save file :).
This is my beta file for testing. So if there will be some problems give me a call :)

After instalation you should spoot some derbits in almoust whole world. :D

[DivingDuck]

Moin,

V1.2 is ready for d/l.
I´ve added a floating mine. Unfortunately I didn´t manage to make it explode when hit, until now. That´s why it is dud. But who wants to risk live just to test?

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4162/mine002ob6.jpg http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8352/mine003sa9.jpg

The test mission has been updated too.

Full version: hier (http://files.filefront.com/DD_Debris_V12rar/;7523953;/fileinfo.html) (ca 13.83MB)
Update version : hier (http://files.filefront.com/DD_Debris_V12_Updaterar/;7524066;/fileinfo.html) (ca 450KB)

Activate via JSGME.

Regards,
DD

[bigboywooly]

V nice DD
:up:

Now lets see what can be done to make it explode eh :hmm:

[denis_469]

Thanks for all you mods

[ReallyDedPoet]

Nice:up:

RDP

[Alex]

:huh:

:smug:

[nikbear]

Excellent!Great stuff DD,downloading now:up:

[bruschi sauro]

Wonderfull mod mate thks for the well done job.:rock:

[kakemann]

Wow man, this looks great! :rock:

[nikbear]

Downloaded the file and opened it up to extract it to my mods folder and noticed a neromedia file and a truevision targa image in the rar file,what are they for?

[bigboywooly]

Downloaded the file and opened it up to extract it to my mods folder and noticed a neromedia file and a truevision targa image in the rar file,what are they for?

I had an Adobe Acrobat file on how to install
Not the files you list

[DivingDuck]

Moin,Downloaded the file and opened it up to extract it to my mods folder and noticed a neromedia file and a truevision targa image in the rar file,what are they for?
The *.tga file(s) is/are used for texturing.
Don´t know neromedia file format. Which file could that be? Could you be more precise and give the names of the related files?

Regards,
DD

[nikbear]

the file reads
mine_01.dat neromediaplayer 10/04/2007 23:15 33.899 82% 6,169 dd_debris_v1.2 update\data\sea\mine_01

[DivingDuck]

Moin,
the file reads
mine_01.dat neromediaplayer 10/04/2007 23:15 33.899 82% 6,169 dd_debris_v1.2 update\data\sea\mine_01 this file holds all relevant information for the respective unit such as 3d objects, textures used, nodes for loadout, sound, smoke. All other files in a unit´s folder refer to that file.

Regards,
DD

[bigboywooly]

Looks like your nero media player is associated with dat files thats why it shows as that

[nikbear]

So it gets installed with the rest of the file,dosen't need to be excluded:hmm:

[bigboywooly]

No it needs to be installed mate

[nikbear]

Cheers,Thanks for the quick reply:up:

[ReM]

Dowloading now...

Looks great Divingduck!:up:

[TheDarkWraith]

DD,

Do these show up as debris when the ship slips under the water like the rest of the debris that currently shows? Are these coded as 'debris' or are they instantiable objects that remain until destroyed? These would be a nice addition to my SH4 effects (and more) for SH3 mod. I would like more information on these objects and this mod please..:yep:

[bigboywooly]

They are to be added to the campaign as ships are
So when you leave port for instance you will see stuff in the water - drums\crates etc

Or out at sea to simulate wreckage from a ship

[TheDarkWraith]

They are to be added to the campaign as ships are
So when you leave port for instance you will see stuff in the water - drums\crates etc

Or out at sea to simulate wreckage from a ship


Can these be spawned at random? Like when a ship sinks and the debris pops up can these be spawned the same way?

[bigboywooly]

I dont think they can in the current form
All is possible I suppose

[Carotio]

They are to be added to the campaign as ships are
So when you leave port for instance you will see stuff in the water - drums\crates etc

Or out at sea to simulate wreckage from a ship


Can these be spawned at random? Like when a ship sinks and the debris pops up can these be spawned the same way?

They are unittype 105=environmental.
Supposely, one could make a RND entry with 105 units spawning on the same route as a convoy, but that could mean other unwanted 105 units spawning as well.
A sinking ships should spawn a 105 unit then...
IIRC DD was trying to make such as trigger, but never discovered it...

So a couple of 105 units in SCR would make a random meeting at an ocean look like, you were too late. An imiginary experience...

[TheDarkWraith]

They are to be added to the campaign as ships are
So when you leave port for instance you will see stuff in the water - drums\crates etc

Or out at sea to simulate wreckage from a ship


Can these be spawned at random? Like when a ship sinks and the debris pops up can these be spawned the same way?

They are unittype 105=environmental.
Supposely, one could make a RND entry with 105 units spawning on the same route as a convoy, but that could mean other unwanted 105 units spawning as well.
A sinking ships should spawn a 105 unit then...
IIRC DD was trying to make such as trigger, but never discovered it...

So a couple of 105 units in SCR would make a random meeting at an ocean look like, you were too late. An imiginary experience...

I'm not looking to spawn them using RND or SCR, I'm looking to spawn them using the 'CreateObject' of the EffectLauncher if possible.