Where is the snorkel size?

[sh3rules]

I know we can tweak the sensors files, but did anyone find where this values are stored? The snorkel should be just a little bigger than the periscope. I use TT’s tools to edit the values. Thanks for any help (if it’s hopeless, then thanks for any moral support :()

[Albrecht Von Hesse]

This isn't answering your question, but I thought people would find it interesting to see.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/Albrecht_von_Hesse/uboat_snorkel.jpg

(http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-type-work.shtml)

The caption on the site I'm pretty sure is incorrect, as it says the observation scope is at the left and the attack scope is in the middle, and I'm pretty sure that's backwards (i.e. the attack scope is to the left and the observation scope in the middle).

This also gives you a good idea of the sizes of the 'scopes and schnorkel relative to each other.

Here's a good site for the history of the schnorkel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkel

[VonHelsching]

I know we can tweak the sensors files, but did anyone find where this values are stored? The snorkel should be just a little bigger than the periscope. I use TT’s tools to edit the values. Thanks for any help (if it’s hopeless, then thanks for any moral support :()

The snorkel size cannot be edited with a simple text or hex editing. Only by messing with its 3d model. I'm not a U-boat expert, but from photos, the SHIII snorkel seems justa about right.

Von

[Jimbuna]

This isn't answering your question, but I thought people would find it interesting to see.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/Albrecht_von_Hesse/uboat_snorkel.jpg

(http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-type-work.shtml)

The caption on the site I'm pretty sure is incorrect, as it says the observation scope is at the left and the attack scope is in the middle, and I'm pretty sure that's backwards (i.e. the attack scope is to the left and the observation scope in the middle).

This also gives you a good idea of the sizes of the 'scopes and schnorkel relative to each other.

Here's a good site for the history of the schnorkel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkel

I'm getting a little confused here...in the game the observation is at the front and the attack is in the middle...yes?
Should it not be the other way round ? :hmm:

[danlisa]

I'm getting a little confused here...in the game the observation is at the front and the attack is in the middle...yes?
Should it not be the other way round ? :hmm:

Jim, maybe they were going backwards:rotfl: :arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

I'm getting a little confused here...in the game the observation is at the front and the attack is in the middle...yes?
Should it not be the other way round ? :hmm:

Jim, maybe they were going backwards:rotfl: :arrgh!:

roflmao :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: you sure got me there mate :up:

[sh3rules]

The snorkel size cannot be edited with a simple text or hex editing. Only by messing with its 3d model. I'm not a U-boat expert, but from photos, the SHIII snorkel seems justa about right.

Von


I was thinking about the AI spotting you.

[Bruno Lotse]

On German boat observation periscope was in front and attack periscope behind it. The height of schnorchel mast was equal or lower then the height of attack periscope.
There was a big problem with schnorchel technology (one of many, actually). This picture is a testament to it.
'Inside the U-boat, the noise from the diesel meant that the hydrophones could not be used, making the captain totally dependent on periscope' (David Miller, U-Boats. History, development and equipment. Conway. p.124).
Therefore, once on schnorchel U-boats would pop-up both periscopes and be constantly scanning the horizon, thus contributing to the wake generated by schnorchel. That wake, periscopes/schorchel masts, exhaust gases would be visible to the naked eye during daylight. :shifty:
British radars could pick up schnorchel at distance of about 3 miles...:damn:

[VonHelsching]

The snorkel size cannot be edited with a simple text or hex editing. Only by messing with its 3d model. I'm not a U-boat expert, but from photos, the SHIII snorkel seems justa about right.

Von

I was thinking about the AI spotting you.
Yes, this is indeed a problem, as it was in RL with the latter days Allied radars. Syxx_Killer has adjusted the snorkel depths in GW1.1a in order for the snorkel (for each Uboat type) to be just about the water level and minimize this threat. I believe if you raise your periscope too, you have the chance of getting a warning by the falling of TC to 8 IIRC. Sometimes even this is not enough to avoid getting you depthcharged, as in RL of course.

In GWX, measures have been taken to account for this problem wrt technology, but you will have to be a bit patient until GWX release, which is very soon.

[Sailor Steve]

The caption on the site I'm pretty sure is incorrect, as it says the observation scope is at the left and the attack scope is in the middle, and I'm pretty sure that's backwards (i.e. the attack scope is to the left and the observation scope in the middle).
The caption is correct. The observation scope is forward, the attack scope is in the middle. In the game the observation scope is misplaced at the rear of the control room, but in the external and bridge views it appears correctly at the front of the conning tower. In the control room it should be right where the pole is that the chief grabs onto during depth chargings. Also there should be a large circular well behind the ladder, which is the housing for the attack scope.

Watch Das Boot again if you don't believe me:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/AftRight.jpg

[Albrecht Von Hesse]

My understanding is that the attack scope had a smaller diameter to make it less visible than the observatiopn scope. Based on the photo and your explanation, the attack scope is that uniform-sized, medium-sized cylinder in the middle rather than the slender, tapered one in front?

[Sailor Steve]

I didn't look at the picture closely enough before. Now that you mention it, that doesn't look like a periscope at all. Yes, the attack scope is smaller and should be in the middle, but that doesn't look like it. I don't know what that is.

[Bruno Lotse]

To me it looks like a casing of attack periscope telescopic mast. The head of the scope is not extended yet.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1415/typexx1rb0.th.jpg (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=typexx1rb0.jpg)
:arrgh!:

[sh3rules]

Has anyone here served in a U-boat? I never get tired of watching Das Boot, but I couldn’t tell you how the movie relates to real life.

[AVGWarhawk]

Has anyone here served in a U-boat? I never get tired of watching Das Boot, but I couldn’t tell you how the movie relates to real life.

Dude, most have passed away or are not mentally able to use a computer. My uncle who served in the pacific aboard aircraft carriers as a plane mechanic is 83 and not what I would call mentally there anymore. He was 17 when he enlisted...lied to get in the navy. Most of the U-boat men were giving answers to writers and the like during the 90's when they were alive and or were mentally able to relate their stories. Heck, in 1994 U-505 in Chicago had one of it's diesels started with the help of Peter Petersen (U-518). They said it could not be done. The day of June 4, 1994 the museum curators with Petersen in coveralls in the engine room started the engine on the first try. One German woman began to weep. But you know, your question is not without merit. Many stories are going to the grave untold. It is a crying shame but all for not. Some just do not talk about it. Some will talk in their golden years. Something like getting it off their chest. These were kids who saw the real horrors. Mentally it had to be horrifying.

Anyway, as to your question, Das Boot is spot on as to how it was. You will not find a better movie to give you the feeling of U-boat warfare like this movie.

[Sailor Steve]

Has anyone here served in a U-boat? I never get tired of watching Das Boot, but I couldn’t tell you how the movie relates to real life.
Surviving u-boatmen in 1973 said that Bucheim's book had a lot of technical errors, as well a objecting to the officers' out-of-control revelry at the nightclub. I've said myself that their procedures and attitudes are probably not a good thing to judge by. That said, they went out of their way to properly place the interior of the boat and get it right, and based on available plans the periscopes seem to be right where they should be.