Sub Pens coordinates ....?

[Redwine]

Hi all...

Do somebody have the list sub pen coordinates and headings to locate the submarine at sub pens into UWAC V1.92 when start up a campaign mission ?

I need to test the subpens protection against enemy air raids on port.

Thanks in advance... :up::up:

[bigboywooly]

IIRC isnt Lorient on the other bank in UWAC to everyone else ?

[Redwine]

IIRC isnt Lorient on the other bank in UWAC to everyone else ?

Scuse my bad english Bigboy, but i cant understand well... can you tell in another words ?, any way, lot of thanks in advance for your help and interest. :up::up:

[bigboywooly]

Sorry Red
I should have checked first :oops:

It was another mod

[Redwine]

Sorry Red
I should have checked first :oops:

It was another mod

No problem BigBoy... you are welcome... :up:

[waste gate]

Check this link and search for [Unit 30]. That is where the german Naval bases begin.

http://membres.lycos.fr/stavinskyelyas/SH3/mission/Campaign_LND.mis

[Redwine]

Check this link and search for [Unit 30]. That is where the german Naval bases begin.

http://membres.lycos.fr/stavinskyelyas/SH3/mission/Campaign_LND.mis
Many thanks Waste gate, but sadly those coordinates doenst works on UWAC V1.92, may be they are for another MegaMod.... :up:

Look what happens at Lorient with those coordinates....


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6976/sh3img3011200693720390gm1.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sh3img3011200693720390gm1.jpg)

[A6Intruder]

Hi all...

Do somebody have the list sub pen coordinates and headings to locate the submarine at sub pens into UWAC V1.92 when start up a campaign mission ?

I need to test the subpens protection against enemy air raids on port.

Thanks in advance... :up::up:

Do you mean this?

there are some Sub protection not far away, like in Brest
St-Nazaire, Bordeaux, Lorient, Bergen. So after a little
seeking and experiencing i've founded how to get my mission
starting under a nice Casemate protection.
To do that you have to modify the German Naval Base
in the Campaign_LND.mis. The part to modify are
the Long, Lat and sometimes Heading values.
So here are the modification to do
[Unit 34]
Name=La Spezia
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
...
Long=1182429.000000
Lat=5292077.000000
Heading=203.500000
[Unit 36]
Name=Bordeaux
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
...
Long=-103547.000000
Lat=5447197.000000
Heading=0.000000
[Unit 38]
Name=St. Nazaire
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
...
Long=-286409.000000
Lat=5673433.000000
Heading=180.000000
[Unit 39]
Name=Lorient
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
...
Long=-398895.000000
Lat=5728989.000000
Heading=180.000000 (edit: corrected the value from 135 to 180)
[Unit 40]
Name=Brest
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
....
Long=-534395.000000
Lat=5805818.000000
Heading=180.000000
[Unit 41]
Name=Bergen
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
...
Long=637589.000000
Lat=7249043.000000
Heading=270.000000


There, i've tried those position with an IXD2 (as it is
the longest U-Boat) and worked them until
the boat was centered and not touching anything around.

Greetings from Gremany:sunny:

[sh3rules]

Thanks, I was also looking for this! :up:

[Redwine]

Do you mean this?
Greetings from Gremany:sunny:
Yes... A6 Intruder, but sadly your new coordinates seems to be for another MegaMod... i try the lorient coordinates i my present campaign and no way, i do not start inside the submarine "kindergarden" (subpen).

My sub appears into the pier terrace :dead: .... look the thumbnaul above.

I need the locations for UWAC V1.92... i have not too much experience opening the campaign files...

Any way, lot of thanks for help.... :up::up::up:

[sergbuto]

Isn't it possible to get coordinates from a mission editor?

[U-snafu]

Redwine, check Pm.

Isn't it possible to get coordinates from a mission editor?

That is what I found-- but even easier maybe---just drag and move the "lorient naval base" in the LND layer in editor to a posistion inside a pen and set correct heading. then just save as LND layer and the sub should start where the naval base was placed.

[bigboywooly]

I think you need the coordinates in the Flotilla.cfg too

[U-snafu]

Redwine-disregard my pm.


I think you need the coordinates in the Flotilla.cfg too


Just shows that my "noob" still seeps through now and then.:oops: :nope: :rotfl:

[bigboywooly]

Your not the only one in this matter

Rubini or Ducimus are the best to answer methinks

Didnt Ducimus do a how to for things including this ?

Must look up his last thread

[JScones]

I think you need the coordinates in the Flotilla.cfg too
Yes, to start where you want to start, you must:

a) Drag the base in the mission editor to where you want it to be, that is, EXACTLY where you want to start (make sure you drag the German placeholder if the base changed hands during the war)*

b) Grab the new lat/long coords and plug them into Flotilla.cfg at the appropriate place(s). The coords in Flotilla.cfg and the LND file MUST BE EXACTLY the same. Otherwise, you will most likely end up at 0' lat 0' long (ie just off the West African coast).

c) If you have an existing career, you will also need to update your Careers_0.cfg file for the next patrol.

*You can edit the LND mis file direct, but I think you'll find this the much easier way.

[bigboywooly]

Thank you Jaeson

[Redwine]

Isn't it possible to get coordinates from a mission editor?

I opened the .LND with the mission editor, but i can found the way to see even my sub :-?, i really hate this mision editor, how much better is in example Flanker Mission Editor !!!

Many thanks for help... :up::up:



I think you need the coordinates in the Flotilla.cfg too

Thanks BigBoy... can you explain that ?

Are you saying the file wich determine the sub position and heading is the Flotilla.cfg ?

I was able to found... in example, Lorient coordinates into .LND files and into the Flotilla.cfg file.

Wich one is the file wich give the position to the sub ?

Many thanks for help.... :up::up:


Redwine, check Pm.

Checked.... thanks a lot for help :up:

[U-snafu]

Yes, thks Jscones.

Crap--now that I found that out--"my soon to be relesed revison of GWX" is all screwed up. .............................................. Kpt, that was a joke--......what are you doing........no kpt..........put that down.........no....I didn't mean it........please........arrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhh....... ...........:fff: :/\\chop

[bigboywooly]

see Jaesons post above Red

Both the LND and Flotilla need the same coordinates

[Redwine]

Yes, to start where you want to start, you must:

a) Drag the base in the mission editor to where you want it to be, that is, EXACTLY where you want to start (make sure you drag the German placeholder if the base changed hands during the war)*

b) Grab the new lat/long coords and plug them into Flotilla.cfg at the appropriate place(s). The coords in Flotilla.cfg and the LND file MUST BE EXACTLY the same. Otherwise, you will most likely end up at 0' lat 0' long (ie just off the West African coast).

c) If you have an existing career, you will also need to update your Careers_0.cfg file for the next patrol.

*You can edit the LND mis file direct, but I think you'll find this the much easier way.


Thanks a lot JScones... but if i am not wrong, this explanation is for to move the base, it is correct ?

But my problem is not to move the base, i am looking for how to move the sub into the sub pens.

:up::up:

[Redwine]

see Jaesons post above Red

Both the LND and Flotilla need the same coordinates

I will try that .... :up::up:

[U-snafu]

redwine,
the naval base (it's position-"lat,long" & heading) in the LNd layer is the starting point of your sub as long as it matches the flottilla cfg

[Redwine]

Well... tested and no way, changing the coordinates for .LND and Flotilla.cfg or only into .LND i appears at same place, into the pier terrace, far from the subpens, those values are not for the UWAC Lorient position.

The way to move the base is not an option, because all thing will remain in wrong position, like other ships and AAA places.

[JScones]

Redwine, I think you may be confused between port location and base location. They are different.

Your safest bet is to use the Mission Editor yourself and move things around.

To help you, let's look at some piccys of the ME. For this example, we want to move you three pens to the left at St Nazaire.

Figure 1 - current starting location.
http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/tmp/Image1.jpg

Figure 2 - click on German base and move where you want to start.
http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/tmp/Image2.jpg

Note the Lat/Long (m) figures in the status bar and apply to all files as previously mentioned. IMPORTANT: The lat/long coords are linked to your mouse, not the selected unit. Therefore I would recommend that you save the LND file after making your change and then open the file in notepad, and copy the coords that were saved. Again, all it takes is one digit difference to break the whole thing.

Also, if you are fussy, expect some trial and error as you get the boat positioned exactly where you want it.

[JScones]

The figures you want are the [m] figures.

But I would recommend that once you move the "base", SAVE the Campaign_LND.mis file.

THEN open it in notepad (or any text editor).

Do a search for "Nazaire" (or whatever base you changed), remembering that there may be numerous entries reflecting the changing of the base throughout the years.

When you find the entry that has Origin=German, look for the Long, Lat and Heading entries in the same block. They will contain the figures you are after. Use them everywhere else.

[Redwine]

The figures you want are the [m] figures.

But I would recommend that once you move the "base", SAVE the Campaign_LND.mis file.

THEN open it in notepad (or any text editor).

Do a search for "Nazaire" (or whatever base you changed), remembering that there may be numerous entries reflecting the changing of the base throughout the years.

When you find the entry that has Origin=German, look for the Long, Lat and Heading entries in the same block. They will contain the figures you are after. Use them everywhere else.

Many thanks i will try it... :up:

[U-snafu]

The figures you want are the [m] figures.

That's good to know. Thank you Jscones. I always used the last set of #'s (deg) when placing ports and lighthouses. just assumed same would true for naval base:oops: .

I'm going to stop giving advice on this subject and let the ones in the know handle it before I have people royally screwing up their files:lol:

[Redwine]

Well... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/rrclimber/smilies/bananaWrench.gif i was able to do it ...

It is so hard to fit the sub inside the subpen, i use Type IX and it is so long, i cant put the stern so near the wall, and then my bow is visible from outside, and the B-24 detect me and attack me in the correct way, attempting to introduce the bomb across the subpen entry gate.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8071/outsidehg4.th.jpg (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outsidehg4.jpg)

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8052/bombbc5.th.jpg (http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bombbc5.jpg)

I need to put the sub 2 or 3 meters back... because my bow is too visible from outside, but i can reach it, a smal movement with the mouse and the stern goes into the wall.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/724/pen1ta8.th.jpg (http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pen1ta8.jpg)

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9574/pen2ei9.th.jpg (http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pen2ei9.jpg)

What i cant understand is... why i need to change the coordinates into Flotilla.cfg file ? It works fine without to do it. :hmm:

Here the changes i made for Lorient :

Valid only for UWAC V1.92 :

Into Campaign_LND.mis : %%%%%%% (UPDATED) %%%%%%%

[Unit 77]
Name=Lorient
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
Origin=German
Side=2
Commander=0
CargoExt=-1
CargoInt=-1
CfgDate=19380101
DeleteOnLastWaypoint=true
DockedShip=false
GameEntryDate=19400701
GameEntryTime=0
GameExitDate=19440930
GameExitTime=0
EvolveFromEntryDate=false
;Long=-398417.000000 ; sub location at pier
;Lat=5729238.000000 ; sub location at pier
Long=-398973.000000 ; sub location at pen
Lat=5729725.000000 ; sub location at pen
Height=-17.000000
;Heading=267.609985 ; sub location at pier
Heading=315.000000 ; sub location at pen
Speed=0.000000
CrewRating=3
DelayMin=0
ReportPosMin=-1
ReportPosProbability=100
RandStartRadius=0.000000
NextWP=0


Into Flotilla.cfg : %%%%%%% (UPDATED) %%%%%%%

Flotilla1=903
TO1=940
NbStartingDate1=5
NbDate1=6
Emblem1=data/Emblems/SubEmblems/Flotillas/2nd flotilla.tga
NbBases1=2
Base1_0=752;Wilhelmshaven
Date1_0_0=1939
Month1_0_0=9
Date1_0_1=1940
Month1_0_1=5
DeparturePointLong1_0=973144.000000
DeparturePointLat1_0=6420906.000000
Heading1_0=65.995003
Base1_1=753;Lorient
Date1_1_0=1940
Month1_1_0=6
Date1_1_1=1944
Month1_1_1=9
;DeparturePointLong1_1=-398956.000000 ; sub location at pier
;DeparturePointLat1_1=5729233.000000 ; sub location at pier
;Heading1_1=135.000000 ; sub location at pier
DeparturePointLong1_1=-398973.000000 ; sub location at pen
DeparturePointLat1_1=5729725.000000 ; sub location at pen
Heading1_1=315.000000 ; sub location at pen

Flotilla3=905
TO3=942
NbStartingDate3=2
NbDate3=3
Emblem3=data/Emblems/SubEmblems/Flotillas/10th flotilla.tga
NbBases3=1
Base3_0=753;Lorient
Date3_0_0=1941
Month3_0_0=1
Date3_0_1=1944
Month3_0_1=9
;DeparturePointLong3_0=-399037.000000 ; sub location at pier
;DeparturePointLat3_0=5729694.000000 ; sub location at pier
;Heading3_0=135.000000 ; sub location at pier
DeparturePointLong1_1=-398973.000000 ; sub location at pen
DeparturePointLat1_1=5729725.000000 ; sub location at pen
Heading1_1=315.000000 ; sub location at pen
NbUboats3=1
Uboat3_0=2

Now i need to do the same for the remaining ports, but may be i will wait for the UWAC V2.0 release.

Lot of thanks to all for help !!!!!

http://xtraboard.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/groupwave.gif

[JScones]

What i cant understand is... why i need to change the coordinates into Flotilla.cfg file ? It works fine without to do it. :hmm:
If you don't change Flotilla.cfg, when you play careers and transfer to that base...well...you won't actually get to that base! ;)

[Redwine]

What i cant understand is... why i need to change the coordinates into Flotilla.cfg file ? It works fine without to do it. :hmm: If you don't change Flotilla.cfg, when you play careers and transfer to that base...well...you won't actually get to that base! ;)

Good... i will remember ! many thanks for your help ! :up:

This is the damage i receive in that attack, protected by the subpen....

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5048/damagevl7.th.jpg (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damagevl7.jpg)

The attack was coduced by 3 groups of B-24 Liberators, one of 7 planes, the second of 5 planes and the third of 7 planes. 7 + 5 + 7 = 19 :doh:

19.... :doh: B-24 attacking port.... http://www.createphpbb.com/phpbb/images/smiles/uhohhide.gif imagine when i was without the pen protection. :huh::dead:

I am happy now... http://www.eshock.es/forum/style_emoticons/default/diablotin.gif i can survive, very damaged but survive a masive air raid.

Those B-24 are too inteligent, they attempt to put the bomb across the subpen entry gate. How i hate them, they always catch me at port.... http://www.mocoforo.com/foro/style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif

[bigboywooly]

Yep that was why uboat pens had blastproof doors

Well at least you are happy now :yep:

[Redwine]

Yep that was why uboat pens had blastproof doors

Well at least you are happy now :yep:
Really ? Does they had doors ? I never seen a picture with doors colsed, i was thinking they was "open entry" style.

I will serach on the web to see that :up:

And... yes i am very happy now :D, i suvive a masive air radid without use my flak gunners rasonably protected by the subpen. :up:

Plus i can dive to periscope depth at subpen to stay hidden.

Now i will wait into the subpen at mission start up, up to the first air raid pass, they happens every few minutes when at port, and tehn when it finished i will run out of port, more real in my opinion... :up:

[Redwine]

Sub pen Coordinates for Saint Nazaire (Valid for UWAC V1.92 only)

Changes :

Into Campaign_LND.mis :

[Unit 76]
Name=St. Nazaire
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
Origin=German
Side=2
Commander=0
CargoExt=-1
CargoInt=-1
CfgDate=19380101
DeleteOnLastWaypoint=true
DockedShip=false
GameEntryDate=19400801
GameEntryTime=0
GameExitDate=19440925
GameExitTime=2359
EvolveFromEntryDate=false
Long=-286406.000000
;Long=-286141.000000 ; sub location at pier
;Lat=5673418.000000 ; sub location at pier
;Heading=180.000000 ; sub location at pier
Lat=5673439.000000 ; sub location at pen
Height=-17.195000 ; sub location at pen
Heading=183.000000 ; sub location at pen
Speed=0.000000
CrewRating=3
DelayMin=0
ReportPosMin=-1
ReportPosProbability=100
RandStartRadius=0.000000
NextWP=0


Changes into Flotilla.cfg :

Flotilla2=904
TO2=940
NbStartingDate2=5
NbDate2=7
Emblem2=data/Emblems/SubEmblems/Flotillas/7th flotilla.tga
NbBases2=3
Base2_0=750;Kiel
Date2_0_0=1939
Month2_0_0=8
Date2_0_1=1940
Month2_0_1=8
DeparturePointLong2_0=1218743.000000
DeparturePointLat2_0=6521462.000000
Heading2_0=50.251987
Base2_1=754;St. Nazaire
Date2_1_0=1940
Month2_1_0=9
Date2_1_1=1944
Month2_1_1=7
;DeparturePointLong2_1=-286145.000000 ; sub location at pier
;DeparturePointLat2_1=5673386.000000 ; sub location at pier
;Heading2_1=180.000000 ; sub location at pier
DeparturePointLong2_1=-286406.000000 ; sub location at pen
DeparturePointLat2_1=5673439.000000 ; sub location at pen
Heading2_1=183.000000 ; sub location at pen
Base2_2=755;Bergen
Date2_2_0=1944
Month2_2_0=8
Date2_2_1=1945
Month2_2_1=5
DeparturePointLong2_2=637546.000000
DeparturePointLat2_2=7249163.000000
Heading2_2=270.000000
NbUboats2=1
Uboat2_0=1


Here i have a little trouble, i cant sail a Type IX in Saint Nazaire, then i positioned a Type VII a liitle bit advanced into the sub pen, to prevent if you in the future arrive to this base finishing a mission with a Type IX fom another base, when you start up the next mission you may be sticky into the pen dock wall.

:up:

[Redwine]

For Brest : (valid for UWAC V1.92 only)

Changes into Campaign_LND.mis :

[Unit 78]
Name=Brest
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
Origin=German
Side=2
Commander=0
CargoExt=-1
CargoInt=-1
CfgDate=19380101
DeleteOnLastWaypoint=true
DockedShip=false
GameEntryDate=19400626
GameEntryTime=0
GameExitDate=19440930
GameExitTime=2359
EvolveFromEntryDate=false
;Long=-534230.000000
;Lat=5805801.000000
Long=-534442.000000
Lat=5805825.000000
Height=-17.000000
Heading=180.000000
Speed=0.000000
CrewRating=3
DelayMin=0
ReportPosMin=-1
ReportPosProbability=100
RandStartRadius=0.000000
NextWP=0

Into Flotilla.cfg :

Flotilla0=902
TO0=940
NbStartingDate0=5
NbDate0=6
Emblem0=data/Emblems/SubEmblems/Flotillas/1st flotilla.tga
NbBases0=2
Base0_0=750;Kiel
Date0_0_0=1939
Month0_0_0=6
Date0_0_1=1940
Month0_0_1=5
DeparturePointLong0_0=1218743.000000
DeparturePointLat0_0=6521462.000000
Heading0_0=50.251987
Base0_1=751;Brest
Date0_1_0=1940
Month0_1_0=6
Date0_1_1=1944
Month0_1_1=9
;DeparturePointLong0_1=-534234.000000
;DeparturePointLat0_1=5805771.000000
DeparturePointLong0_1=-534442.000000
DeparturePointLat0_1=5805825.000000
Heading0_1=180.000000
NbUboats0=2
Uboat0_0=0
Uboat0_1=1