REF_small in ship's eqp file. Is this radar?

[Wulfmann]

[Equipment 21]
NodeName=L01
LinkName=REF_small
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

Here is one example. I ask because every ship has this from the beginning or before the war starts even trawlers. Radar did not show up in even moderate quantity until early 1941 and in 1940 except for a few big ships did not exist.

If this is, in fact, radar, we need to edit this to reflect when each of these ships generally would have had it.
If its not, what is it?
Bismarck has four large ones so I am betting it is not sonar:rotfl:

Any explanation would be helpful.

Wulfmann

[bigboywooly]

No its a searchlight

[Wulfmann]

:rotfl: Thanks for not making a deserved comment!!!:rotfl:

Well then. How is radar determined per ship and when?

Wulfmann

[ref]

They are in the R0x entries in the cfg

Ref

[bigboywooly]

I believe its in the SNS file - the sensors

Dont ask me which one is radar though as they are just numbers

Ah see Ref knew

[Wulfmann]

Thanks, I know where the radar is regarding its use.

What I seek is a way to determine what has radar and when.

There must be an off on switch for each ship.
If not then all warships are radar equipped from day one?

Wulfmann

[bigboywooly]

The SNS file does that

HuntIII

[Sensor 8]
NodeName=R01 <----------As Ref said above
LinkName=Type290
StartDate=19410901 <------------- Radar starts
EndDate=19430601 <----------- And ends for Type290

[Sensor 9]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=Type271
StartDate=19430601
EndDate=19451231

[Wulfmann]

Thanks, again for not taking the shot I deserved. The next question should be how dumb am I. :doh:

There may be no end to that one!:rotfl:

So, I will now run a check of all the radar in all the units. I am curious how well my reference books and SH3 devs compare.

Wulfmann

[ref]

I believe its in the SNS file - the sensors

Dont ask me which one is radar though as they are just numbers

Ah see Ref knew

:oops:

Ref

[ref]

The SNS file does that

HuntIII

[Sensor 8]
NodeName=R01 <----------As Ref said above
LinkName=Type290
StartDate=19410901 <------------- Radar starts
EndDate=19430601 <----------- And ends for Type290

[Sensor 9]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=Type271
StartDate=19430601
EndDate=19451231

To remove a radar (or any other equipment/sensor) replace the linkname value with NULL

[Sensor 8]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19410901
EndDate=19430601

[Sensor 9]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=Type271
StartDate=19430601
EndDate=19451231

Ref

[VonHelsching]

BTW, using the .sns files for each unit, if the [Sensor X] is renamed properly you can add / subtract sensors (visual, radar, RWR, searchlights, hydrophones, sonar) nullify them etc. Very easy to do.

Same thing applies for the .eqp files for weapon nodes.

Von

[Wulfmann]

After looking thru the files I was amazed at how close the Devs were in getting the when right on this.
Makes me wonder how they were so far off on other easy aspects.
I only changed the Frigates from late 1940 to early 41 and the Elcos I moved back into 1942. Other than that (and pushing back the Italian DDs into 1942) they are all within reason, IMO.

Wulfmann

[Wulfmann]

I was referring only to the radar in the .sns files

Wulfmann

[joea]

Sorry to bump this old thread. Was just exchanging some messages with BBW about Soviet sensors and if they are correct. :damn: Didn't know they had radar but I think the cfg are nor correct.

[denis_469]

Sorry to bump this old thread. Was just exchanging some messages with BBW about Soviet sensors and if they are correct. :damn: Didn't know they had radar but I think the cfg are nor correct.

Why do you think so?

[joea]

Well BBW sent me links to navweapons which showed they did have Uk radar sets.

But in this file NDD_Type7y.sns

[Sensor 5]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=FuMO21
StartDate=19400601
EndDate=19451231

FuMo? A german radar?? From the Non-aggression pact maybe?

For the NDE_BPS.sns

[Sensor 9]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=Type286
StartDate=19410301
EndDate=19430301

Is the date correct? I mean a Brit set from March before the start of Barbarrosa? :hmm:

[denis_469]

Well BBW sent me links to navweapons which showed they did have Uk radar sets.

But in this file NDD_Type7y.sns

[Sensor 5]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=FuMO21
StartDate=19400601
EndDate=19451231

FuMo? A german radar?? From the Non-aggression pact maybe?

For the NDE_BPS.sns

[Sensor 9]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=Type286
StartDate=19410301
EndDate=19430301

Is the date correct? I mean a Brit set from March before the start of Barbarrosa? :hmm:

"FUMO-21" it german radar and soviet navy have not it stantions. In 22/06/41 all soviet destroyers and escort ships have not radars, but in mid 1942 nearly all destroyers in Northen fleet have british radars various types. In 2 other fleets destroyers have not radars so not need in it. In soviet cruisers have mainly radars soviet types. First sich ship radar was "RUS". Air search radar with range excess 200 km and have guide 5 air fighters group in 5 enemy air groups.

[denis_469]

In game NOT soviet radars and so need place any other radars in ships.

[joea]

Ok, so the Black Sea campaing I'm playing is wrong to have radar on the ships. :hmm: Thank you.

[denis_469]

Few text in russian about radar what have russian cruisers 26-bis:
"
На базе этой станции в НИИ-20 в 1940 году под руководством главного конструк­тора Л.Леонова была создана модификация РУС-2 — первая корабельная радиолокаци­онная станция обнаружения «Редут-К». Она разрабатывалась с учетом специфики экс­плуатационных условий в море: повышен­ной влажности, качки, значительного уда­ления антенны от аппаратуры и т.д. Пер­вую такую РЛС установили на крейсере «Молотов», антенну станции разместили на грот-мачте. Дальность ее действия пре­вышала 100 км. На учениях в мае 1941-го она показала высокие для того времени тактические возможности по обнаружению воздушных и надводных целей и хорошие эксплуатационные качества.
Свою эффективность «Редут-К» проде­монстрировал в первые же месяцы войны на Черном море. «Молотов» до конца но­ября 1941 года оставался в Севастополе, поскольку его РЛС была одним из основ­ных элементов системы ПВО главной базы. Уже в первые дни войны крейсер имел пря­мые линии связи со штабом флота и КП ПВО Севастополя для быстрой передачи данных об обнаружении самолетов. С июля 1941 по ноябрь 1943-го с помощью стан­ции было обнаружено более 9000 самоле­тов противника. За период обороны Сева­стополя (1941—1942 гг.) не отмечено ни од­ного случая скрытного подхода авиации противника с моря. Во время массирован­ных налетов РЛС обеспечивала слежение одновременно за 7—8 группами фашист­ских самолетов, работая безотказно до 20 часов в сутки.
В годы войны были созданы отечествен­ные корабельные станции управления ар­тиллерийским огнем (орудийной наводки) «Марс» и «Юпитер», предназначавшиеся для легких крейсеров. В 1944-м году на крейсере «Молотов» прошла испытания и
опытную проверку РЛС управления артил­лерийским огнем «Марс-1». Государствен­ная комиссия рекомендовала принять ее на вооружение (принята под названием «Ре-дан-1»). На тихоокеанском крейсере «Кали­нин» была установлена РЛС «Юпитер».
В 1944 году крейсера оснастили импорт­ными радиолокационными станциями: об­наружения воздушных и надводных целей (английские типов 281 и 291, американ­ские типа SG), управления огнем главного калибра (английские типов 284 и 285) и управления зенитным огнем (английские типа 282)."
As you can saw in soviet navy was radars:
"Redut-K" (or "RUS-2"), "Mars", "Redan-1", "Jupiter" (soviet radars); "Type 281", "Type 291", "Type 282", "Type 284", "Type 285" (british); "SG" (american). It's radars install in various combination in soviet cruisers.
Destroyers have various radars including "Type 286", "Type 284", "Type 285", "Mars". "Type 291" have destroyers Pacific fleet.
Submarine have "Type 286" and "Type 285" (last in ex-british submarine)
torpedo craft have various other small british, american and soviet radars.

[bigboywooly]

That FuMO will be changed to a Br one in 1.04

A radar is a radar though and if the game has no Ru ones then a substitute is used