GW vs NYGM mods

[LeafsFan]

I am new to the SH3 community, but I am a AOTD veteran, not to mention ssub classics back to Gato.

Once I got SH3 on my new computer, and put a seperate video card in the machine, I quickly downloaded the GW mod. I did not know about the NTGM mod at the time. Could someone outline the sailent differences between the two?

HB

[Corsair]

I started using NYGM because the PC I play on would have been a little underpowered to run GW which adds a lot of graphics, and also because this mod was replacing the original "renown" system which I always disliked by something more realistic (it takes a fixed amount of time in port to fit improvements on the sub) I think if I am right that until now they use the same flooding damage model for surface boats, the fatigue model is a little different and may be the sensors/spotting model of warships make them more dangerous in NYGM than GW.. But as I never played GW, I am sure other Kapt'ns who use it can correct me if I am wrong.
It's just a matter of personal taste then to choose between both. I run SH3 Gen and SH3 Weather on top, plus the fantastic Fubar skins.

[Ducimus]

Whenever the GWX beta period is over and finally released, im 100% positive this topic will never come up again.

[melnibonian]

Whenever the GWX beta period is over and finally released, im 100% positive this topic will never come up again.

True :yep: :yep: :yep: :yep:

[Corsair]

Until the next NYGM version comes out ? :lol: Nahh just kidding, don't shoot me...
The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...;)

[melnibonian]

The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...;)

SHIV is still a long way in the future. For now GWX rules. let's judge SHIV once it's here and not jump to conclusions ;)

[mkubani]

Until the next NYGM version comes out ? :lol: Nahh just kidding, don't shoot me...
The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...;)

Wrong assumption sailor. :) For many players, the true Uboat war means Atlantic Ocean not Pacific. :) SH 3 got a loooong life ahead especially with those great mods in the pipeline. :)

[melnibonian]

Wrong assumption sailor. :) For many players, the true Uboat war means Atlantic Ocean not Pacific. :) SH 3 got a loooong life ahead especially with those great mods in the pipeline. :)
:yep: :yep: :yep: :up:

[Corsair]

The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...;)
SHIV is still a long way in the future. For now GWX rules.

Sorry, cannot have an opinion until it's out and available...;)
From what I saw until now in the past 20 years, there are not many games, even with super mods which resisted to the attraction of the newer version or of another newer game on the same theme. Bet you can count the games who had a lifetime of more than one year.

[Corsair]

Until the next NYGM version comes out ? :lol: Nahh just kidding, don't shoot me...
The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...;)
Wrong assumption sailor. :) For many players, the true Uboat war means Atlantic Ocean not Pacific. :) SH 3 got a loooong life ahead especially with those great mods in the pipeline. :)
Agreed I will be one of those... But not sure we will be so many.

[bigboywooly]

True
The pacific has no appeal to me
Not saying I wont eventually get it but the lure of the uboat is too strong

[melnibonian]

Sorry, cannot have an opinion until it's out and available...;)
I totally agree with you. My opinion (and I have one as I've been playing it for the last three weeks) it is far better than anything else in SH3 domain. But of course that's just me and my opinion. Once it's out you will have the chance to have a go and see for yourelf. I just hope (for the sake of all the GWX team efforts) that you agree with me ;)

From what I saw until now in the past 20 years, there are not many games, even with super mods which resisted to the attraction of the newer version or of another newer game on the same theme. Bet you can count the games who had a lifetime of more than one year.
Again I totally agree with you. SHIV when it comes out should be an improvement to SH3 in all areas. One hopes that it will be better, but since I've been playing sims for at least 15 years and computer games since the time of Z80 and cassetes, I've learned the hard way not to have very high expectations. Obviously there cannot be a comparison of SH3/GW/NYGM/GWX and any other mod with SHIV as they belong to a different generation. Still with GW/NYGM and GWX SH3 is and most probably will be playable in the near future. And that's really something.

[Corsair]

Glad to find someone who also got started with the ZX 81... My first sub game was Silent Service on cassette tape for my Commodore 64, at the same time I was playing Elite... That's already a few years back.;)

[melnibonian]

Glad to find someone who also got started with the ZX 81... My first sub game was Silent Service on cassette tape for my Commodore 64, at the same time I was playing Elite... That's already a few years back.;)

Oh you have me in the memory lane now :D

BTW Elite is by far one of the best games I've ever came accross:up:

[Albrecht Von Hesse]

Glad to find someone who also got started with the ZX 81... My first sub game was Silent Service on cassette tape for my Commodore 64, at the same time I was playing Elite... That's already a few years back.;)

I played both Silent Service and Elite myself. :)
Also a Star Trek game whose name, alas, eludes me, but with which I spent many an hour working my way upwards through the ranks.

[thegroo]

Glad to find someone who also got started with the ZX 81... My first sub game was Silent Service on cassette tape for my Commodore 64, at the same time I was playing Elite... That's already a few years back.;)

Hehe.

Another Elite veteran:D
I almost got crazy trying to dock the first dozen times:doh:

Regards
Dieter

[melnibonian]

I played both Silent Service and Elite myself. :)
Also a Star Trek game whose name, alas, eludes me, but with which I spent many an hour working my way upwards through the ranks.
Well since I'm slightly older (I said slightlty OK?? ;) ) I do remember Space Invaders, Moon Patrol and even Pong :D :D :D

Those were the days ;)

[Albrecht Von Hesse]

Glad to find someone who also got started with the ZX 81... My first sub game was Silent Service on cassette tape for my Commodore 64, at the same time I was playing Elite... That's already a few years back.;)

Hehe.

Another Elite veteran:D
I almost got crazy trying to dock the first dozen times:doh:

Regards
Dieter

--laughs and nods-- Sure made looking forward to affording autodocking something didn't it? ;)

[melnibonian]

Glad to find someone who also got started with the ZX 81... My first sub game was Silent Service on cassette tape for my Commodore 64, at the same time I was playing Elite... That's already a few years back.;)

Hehe.

Another Elite veteran:D
I almost got crazy trying to dock the first dozen times:doh:

Regards
Dieter

--laughs and nods-- Sure made looking forward to affording autodocking something didn't it? ;)

how true :yep: :yep: :yep:

[Safe-Keeper]

On-topic: As far as I get it, NYGM is for those craving as much realism and historical accuracy as possible, while GW is for those craving more content (new ships, cities, nations, battles, etc.) and the ""wow!" effect" provided by the above-mentioned and the improved graphics.

Off-topic:
The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...Which is my biggest fear with Norwegian Operations: That I won't finish it before Ubisoft finishes Silent Hunter 4. The game's estimated "ETA" is first quarter 2007, and while I don't have anywhere near a set release date for NorOps, but it's not going to be out any time soon. I'm litterally racing Ubisoft, and I do not like it.

Wrong assumption sailor. For many players, the true Uboat war means Atlantic Ocean not Pacific. SH 3 got a loooong life ahead especially with those great mods in the pipeline.With respect - every time a game sequel is imminent, a lot of players swear they'll stay with the current title, yet when the sequel comes out, many of those self-professed "loyalists" will jump ship to the sequel faster than you can say "Prequel Quisling".

Of course I can't assume anything on an individual basis, but I'm very certain that many people will jump ship when Silent Hunter 4 is out. Whether Silent Hunter III will die early or live for many more years, as for example Battlefield 1942 did when 'Vietnam came out, I have no idea. Probably the latter.

[Hartmann]

Until the next NYGM version comes out ? :lol: Nahh just kidding, don't shoot me...
The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...;)

I don´t think so, the forums will continue as now, but i think that GWX could be the last big mod for sh3 .

still could be released small mods or fixes for sh3 but a lot of modders can start the work with sh4 making future releases less frequent.

but who knows , if the sh4 structure is compatible with sh3 models, it would be very interesting... :hmm: :rotfl:

sorry but i can´t resist the temptation.... , my first game was wolfpack,
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2893/wolfpack000vl2.png


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5503/wolfpack001zg8.png



http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9031/wolfpack002wz5.png

[Kpt. Lehmann]

On-topic: As far as I get it, NYGM is for those craving as much realism and historical accuracy as possible, while GW is for those craving more content (new ships, cities, nations, battles, etc.) and the ""wow!" effect" provided by the above-mentioned and the improved graphics.

Off-topic:
The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...Which is my biggest fear with Norwegian Operations: That I won't finish it before Ubisoft finishes Silent Hunter 4. The game's estimated "ETA" is first quarter 2007, and while I don't have anywhere near a set release date for NorOps, but it's not going to be out any time soon. I'm litterally racing Ubisoft, and I do not like it.

Wrong assumption sailor. For many players, the true Uboat war means Atlantic Ocean not Pacific. SH 3 got a loooong life ahead especially with those great mods in the pipeline.With respect - every time a game sequel is imminent, a lot of players swear they'll stay with the current title, yet when the sequel comes out, many of those self-professed "loyalists" will jump ship to the sequel faster than you can say "Prequel Quisling".

Of course I can't assume anything on an individual basis, but I'm very certain that many people will jump ship when Silent Hunter 4 is out. Whether Silent Hunter III will die early or live for many more years, as for example Battlefield 1942 did when 'Vietnam came out, I have no idea. Probably the latter.

LOL, I stayed with BF 1942.:arrgh!:

[Boris]

Huh, I thought everyone hated BF vietnam? Me, and everyone else I knew stuck with 42, mainly for the reason that they liked the ww2 theme better.

[Corsair]

Until the next NYGM version comes out ? :lol: Nahh just kidding, don't shoot me...
The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...;)
I don´t think so, the forums will continue as now, but i think that GWX could be the last big mod for sh3 .

still could be released small mods or fixes for sh3 but a lot of modders can start the work with sh4 making future releases less frequent.

but who knows , if the sh4 structure is compatible with sh3 models, it would be very interesting... :hmm: :rotfl:

sorry but i can´t resist the temptation.... , my first game was wolfpack,



Wow, lots of veterans around here...:D
Still remember playing this one as well...

@Elite players : agreed the first docking trials were a difficult time... and it was a hell of a game, costed me many sleepless nights;)

@melnibonian : also remember Space Invaders and Pong, and playing Pacman with pals in the bar next to the place where I was studying...

[melnibonian]

@melnibonian : also remember Space Invaders and Pong, and playing Pacman with pals in the bar next to the place where I was studying...
Well I was a schoolboy then but I've managed to sneak into the bars as well to play pacman :D :D :D

[Pants]

On-topic: As far as I get it, NYGM is for those craving as much realism and historical accuracy as possible, while GW is for those craving more content (new ships, cities, nations, battles, etc.) and the ""wow!" effect" provided by the above-mentioned and the improved graphics.

Off-topic:
The way the world goes, as soon as SHIV is out, you probably will find this forum mostly empty I guess...Which is my biggest fear with Norwegian Operations: That I won't finish it before Ubisoft finishes Silent Hunter 4. The game's estimated "ETA" is first quarter 2007, and while I don't have anywhere near a set release date for NorOps, but it's not going to be out any time soon. I'm litterally racing Ubisoft, and I do not like it.

Wrong assumption sailor. For many players, the true Uboat war means Atlantic Ocean not Pacific. SH 3 got a loooong life ahead especially with those great mods in the pipeline.With respect - every time a game sequel is imminent, a lot of players swear they'll stay with the current title, yet when the sequel comes out, many of those self-professed "loyalists" will jump ship to the sequel faster than you can say "Prequel Quisling".

Of course I can't assume anything on an individual basis, but I'm very certain that many people will jump ship when Silent Hunter 4 is out. Whether Silent Hunter III will die early or live for many more years, as for example Battlefield 1942 did when 'Vietnam came out, I have no idea. Probably the latter.
LOL, I stayed with BF 1942.:arrgh!: i bought BF1942 ( installed it, loved it..still on machine ) i bought BFV ( installed it, quite enjoyed it/ deleted it ) I love the VietNam era . i also Bought BF2 ( installed it,hated it/ deleted it )
On the beta test team for BF2124 played it uninstalled it went back to BF1942, dont get me started on what i hated about BF2142

I will continue to play SH3 but i will buy SH4 only to sink those pesky Japs ;)

[Jimbuna]

Hey!...listening to all you guys talking about Elite and Pacman etc. has suddenly meant me feeling not so old lol...cheers :D :up:

[CptGrayWolf]

Off topic:
You guys know you can play all these old games on an emulator.
I sometimes still load up Silent Service using an Atari 800xl emulator :88)
Hold on to your hats and blast to the past http://www.emuasylum.com/ :rock:

[poor sailor]

I was tried them both, TGW 1.1a and NYGM TW 2.0 and 2.2. And I found that TGW is really impressive mod, graphical strong and also everything is changed and much better in comparison with the stock version (when I the first time tried TGW, I was amazed). But, when I install the NYGM TW 2.0 I found really changed the way of playing, like anti-humming bird mod, assisted plotting mod, damage model...
and I must to admit that I found much comfortable feeling with NYGM mod, in harbour there is a traffic but less then TGW, and I think that TGW is overcrowded little more for my taste.To much details in graphics and much less playability details in
comparison with NYGM. Then I upgrade to NYGM v.2.2 and I feel more happy with many new things, like new torpedo mod which represents real torpedo problems in early war time, than the new air attack mod for planes (they much more use the guns...), and many useful things. I reading the posts about the new GWX mod, and like the others I wait for release and I will try this mod.But I also waiting for NYGM v.3.0 (maybe much more then GWX), and then I will decide which mod is better, but for me. Everything I wrote in this post is my opinion, and tastes are differents.