Reasons not to "buy" a type IX

[hyperion2206]

I'd really like to get a type IX boat but there are several reasons why I don't do it:

First of all I hate Lorient, it's just such a little harbor. You don't have much room to maneuver and TC does not allow you to go faster (I know that you can change that with SH3 Commander, but it's still a reason for me;)) Secondly (in 1942) you don't get the "Falke" torpedo. It's such a neat weapon against escorts, but apparently only the VII boats get it.
So what do you think: Should I get one, is it worth it?:hmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Ask 3 different people and you'll get 5 different answers. My advice is weigh the pros and cons in your own mind and then do what you think will make you happiest.

[NipplesTheCat]

Why would one type of boat get on while the other doesnt? Is this a game thing or is that the way it really happened? I wonder, can you transfer back to a VII after you have taken command of an IX boat?

[Warmonger]

22 to 14 torpedoes gives you (on a normal patrol) about 2 times more sunk ships so, yes, take it by any means. ;)

[Warmonger]

Why would one type of boat get on while the other doesnt? Is this a game thing or is that the way it really happened? I wonder, can you transfer back to a VII after you have taken command of an IX boat?
Yes, you can. You just have to dismiss the excess crew.

[nativetexan]

If you want to enjoy a new challenge, yes. You get a larger boat which is a plus and a minus. You can carry more torpedos but your dive time is longer. I enjoyed moving to the IX and taking on the cross-Atlantic missions placing me on the east coast of the US. But I found out quickly that running with decks awash is a must to stay alive under the air cover that really gets nasty at this point in the war.

All in all, you just have to decide if the switch is for you. A lot of what you do in the VII becomes totally different in the IX.

Let us know what you decide to do!

[NipplesTheCat]

Personally I will be taking an IX when I get the chance. I did 11 patrols in type VII's before I had to reinstall. Now that I am starting over again in 39 I figure that I will be ready for a change when the time comes.

[Der Eisen-Wal]

i had some good times in my VIIB but the IX is definitely a lot of fun. there are places you would never have gone in the VII, mind you the trip over the atlantic is a bore fest but its a target rich opportunity over there. i miss my stern tubes sometimes though :(

[kylania]

Feels too big, not as sleek and sexy as the VIIs.

[stabiz]

I like the IX, but its no VII.

[darius359au]

My first career I took a type IX boat early and loved it.early on their great but by late 43 the divetime was a real drawback:down:

[NipplesTheCat]

I think Doenitz himself was more of a VII fan himself. At least thats what I gather from what I have read. I also thought I had read somewhere that there were type VIIs used across the atlantic with the help of milkcows. Has anyone else heard anything like that?

[melnibonian]

Hello

I really like the IXC. It's a bit big in comparison with the VII but it compensates with the extra torpedos and extended range. Actually it's quite maneuverable and very good at avoiding DDs. The fact that you have the ability to hunt in the North and South American coast and the Tanker-infested Caribbean is too tempting for me not to own one:D

Obviously if we could afford the XXI life would have been wonderful but we can't always have what we want (as the song goes) :D :D :D

[Ducimus]

:roll:
:smug:

[andy_311]

Well I always go for the 2nd Flottilla why have a little boat that can only go to mid Atlantic when you can get an IXC or later an IXD2 that can go any where try going to Penang in a VIIB or VIIC I doubt if you ever get there (unless you got unlimited range ).Okay IX boats are big IXD2 takes something like 42 seconds to dice to pd torpedo load out excellent the IXD2 got 24 fish you don't see that in a VIIB or VIIC.

[Ducimus]

I rather liked this post from uboat.net:

http://www.uboat.net/forum/read.php?f=3&i=9111&t=9039&v=f

A reference was made in \"Silent Hunters\" to older skippers being assigned to the type IX boats precisely because of their age. The older skippers, it was reasoned, would have the patience needed to search a larger target area (possibly with little or no enemy contact), for longer durations, have the discipline necessary to attack alone, and the retrospect to handle a larger crew for longer periods. Because the type IX boats were bigger and slower, the older commander would have the patience, combined with prudence, to choose his attacks more carefully than a younger man.

[stabiz]

Well I always go for the 2nd Flottilla why have a little boat that can only go to mid Atlantic when you can get an IXC or later an IXD2 that can go any where try going to Penang in a VIIB or VIIC I doubt if you ever get there (unless you got unlimited range ).Okay IX boats are big IXD2 takes something like 42 seconds to dice to pd torpedo load out excellent the IXD2 got 24 fish you don't see that in a VIIB or VIIC.

Some like dolphins, and some like whales.

[U-104]

I rather liked this post from uboat.net:

http://www.uboat.net/forum/read.php?f=3&i=9111&t=9039&v=f

A reference was made in \"Silent Hunters\" to older skippers being assigned to the type IX boats precisely because of their age. The older skippers, it was reasoned, would have the patience needed to search a larger target area (possibly with little or no enemy contact), for longer durations, have the discipline necessary to attack alone, and the retrospect to handle a larger crew for longer periods. Because the type IX boats were bigger and slower, the older commander would have the patience, combined with prudence, to choose his attacks more carefully than a younger man.

Does that mean I'm old?:damn::damn:

[Deep-Six]

I rather liked this post from uboat.net:

http://www.uboat.net/forum/read.php?f=3&i=9111&t=9039&v=f

A reference was made in \"Silent Hunters\" to older skippers being assigned to the type IX boats precisely because of their age. The older skippers, it was reasoned, would have the patience needed to search a larger target area (possibly with little or no enemy contact), for longer durations, have the discipline necessary to attack alone, and the retrospect to handle a larger crew for longer periods. Because the type IX boats were bigger and slower, the older commander would have the patience, combined with prudence, to choose his attacks more carefully than a younger man.

Does that mean I'm old?:damn::damn:

Do you want me to answer that?:D

[Cpt.Thorne]

Go to Lorient get you IX boat and transfer to some other flottille

[Ducimus]

http://www.ducimus.net/sh3/random_pic.jpg

(A five minute rewrite of a poem, so its not going to ryme perfect. Orginally galloping ghost of the japanese coast By Constantine Guiness. And yes im bored right now ;) )



I'm the galloping ghost of the Carribean coast.
You don't hear of me and my crew
But just ask any man off the coast of Cancun.
If he knows of the U-182.

I look flat and fat, a seacow at that,
All alone with no one at my side,
But we'll tell you a story of battle and glory,
As enemy waters we ride.

I've been stuck on a rock, felt the depth charge's shock,
Been north to a place called St John's,
and I've sunk me two freighters atop the equator
Hot work, but the sea was cold blue.

I've cruised close inshore and carried the war
to the sleeping giant the japanese awakened,
While they sent out their planes, i could hear New Orleans,
So I stayed, and listened to the tunes.

When we rigged to run silently, deeply I dived,
And within me the heat was terrific.
My men pouring sweat, silent and yet
Cursed me and the whole damned Atlantic.

Then destroyers came sounding and depth charges pounding
My submarine crew took the test.
Far in that far off land there are no friends on hand,
To answer a call of distress.

I was blasted and shaken (some damage I be taken),
my hull bleeds and pipe lines do, too
I've come in from out there for machinery repair,
And a rest for me and my crew.

I got by on cool nerve and in silence I served,
Though I took some hard knocks in return,
One propeller shaft sprung and my battery's done,
But the enemy ships I saw burn.

I'm the galloping ghost of the Caribean coast,
You don't hear of me and my crew.
But just ask any man off the coast of Cancun,
If he knows of U-182

[Tuddley3]

About the Lorient harbor, I just transfered to Lorient, bought an IXC. Normally the Base faces South, but I noticed it is facing West now. Have not been to Lorient yet since installing War Ace Campaign, did Hansolo have something to do with this. I basically just drive straight out of the SubPen and right out the mouth of the harbor.

I :/\\k: UBWA :smug:

[Subwolf]

I wanna be a part of Operation Drumbeat, and head for the U.S. coast to hunt. Then I need a IX, so my answer is obvious :yep:

[SubConscious]

Nice work, Ducimus! It reads like an old sea shanty.
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Reasons to love the IX

1. Extra Torpedoes & two stern tubes
2. Greater Range: Less time in port, more diverse patrol areas
3. 105mm Deck Gun is much more effective than the 88mm
4. 37mm Flak Gun can take down all small craft and aid in the sinking of larger ones
5. Greater Surface Speed

Granted, the IX aren't as maneuverable as the VII boats, but I think they more than make up for this in terms of their increased effectiveness as weapons of war.

Good luck!

[Jimbuna]

Nice work, Ducimus! It reads like an old sea shanty.
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Reasons to love the IX

1. Extra Torpedoes & two stern tubes
2. Greater Range: Less time in port, more diverse patrol areas
3. 105mm Deck Gun is much more effective than the 88mm
4. 37mm Flak Gun can take down all small craft and aid in the sinking of larger ones
5. Greater Surface Speed

Granted, the IX aren't as maneuverable as the VII boats, but I think they more than make up for this in terms of their increased effectiveness as weapons of war.

Good luck!

Totally agree with you on all the above :up: ...hence my sig :arrgh!:

[kiwi_2005]

Go to Lorient get you IX boat and transfer to some other flottille

:yep:

@ hyperion2206
Get the IX boats, IXD2 when its available they're nice looking boats, probably the real reason i get them is cause i like the look of them, and when on the bridge, looking straight ahead the uboat looks better i can see more of the front, compared to the VIIB/C i just see a little point, makes me feel like im in a large bucket. My reasons are crap for wanting to get one but thats the real reason why i grab a IX boat. I go for the look.:lol:

Oh and longer range, more torpedos less cramp conditions, better weapons - flak guns (*unless u get the VIIC U flak boat*)

[Ducimus]

Nice work, Ducimus! It reads like an old sea shanty.
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The orginal poem is here :
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1305598

Kinda gets me jazzed for SH4 every time i read it.

[hyperion2206]

Well, I finally decided NOT to get a IX boat, I'd rather stick with my good old VIIc U-95:rock:. I tried the IX and I didn't really impress me, sorry guys.:smug: But many thanks for your oppinions!!!!!!:up:

[stabiz]

Long live the VIIC! :rock: (Although I`m having alot of fun in an IXC right now ... come to think of it: Long live U-boats!)

[Jimbuna]

Well, I finally decided NOT to get a IX boat, I'd rather stick with my good old VIIc U-95:rock:. I tried the IX and I didn't really impress me, sorry guys.:smug: But many thanks for your oppinions!!!!!!:up:

SISSY....ROFLMAO :lol:

[WilhelmSchulz.]

The original poem is called The Galoping Goast of the Japines coast. Writen about the USS Triger.

[NightCrawler]

Aight, lets see..

Pro's:

* more torps means more tonnages
* better hull than VII, specialy with depthcharges...
* more crew = more fun lmao...
* Dual Flak means DUCKHUNTING SEASON IS OPEN :P
Cons:

* Slow, takes longer to dive...
* Lorient, a pain in the ass habor to get out, i thought i was fixed with GW, but i am wrong...

[Ducimus]

Well, I finally decided NOT to get a IX boat, I'd rather stick with my good old VIIc U-95:rock:. I tried the IX and I didn't really impress me, sorry guys.:smug: But many thanks for your oppinions!!!!!!:up:


If you have no intention of going on long range patrols, then it's best you dont use an IX boat anyway. A type IX uboat is best suited for long range patrols to distant area's. Its fueled, and equiped for long, solitary patrols and is ill suited for other uses. Thats not to say you cant attack convoys with it.. on the contrary, you can do ALOT more damage to a convoy, but a type IX uboat isnt for everyone.

edit: BTW this IX uboat video by stabiz is awesome. This to me, is what it's all about! Bringing the war to the enemies back yard in those far off distant lands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pgUIRL_18U


The original poem is called The Galoping Goast of the Japines coast. Writen about the USS Triger.

Yup, i was bored and took some artistic liberty to it. I think i was pretty sure to cite the original source.

[squeak]

he fact that you have the ability to hunt in the North and South American coast and the Tanker-infested Caribbean is too tempting for me not to own one
Don´t try to tempt me :damn:

[hyperion2206]

I risk being called a pussy, but the IX is not my type of U-Boot:arrgh!:. I love my smaller but more agile VII. I know that it has fewer torpedoes and can't travel as long as a type IX but it dives really fast and it's quick to react (which has saved my virtual butt a lot of times;):smug:) You go hunting some tankers while I take care of those nasty escorts with my Falke torpedos.:p

[fredbass]

Well I completely understand why someone would want to keep the VII. I might even switch back to it towards the end of the war. And from what I hear, we get some action in the harbors then, so we'll probably see more of it with the VII since you'll have to return to port more often. :know:

[Shaffer4]

Lorient must have been fixed, because it is quite easy to leave in the GW Mod..

I am loving my IXB, though, it seems i suck at attacking Convoys... lol... so I just try and get a bead on the juiciest target I can... then again. most of my convoy action is in bad weather.. :damn:

Though, my first run through Freetown was sweet.. ;) got out with a Liner, Med Tanker, and a Medium Cargo.

[Captain_AJ]

The IX boat is the best , It surfaces faster it goes fast underwater , Its the best !

[kiwi_2005]

I risk being called a pussy, but the IX is not my type of U-Boot:arrgh!:. I love my smaller but more agile VII. I know that it has fewer torpedoes and can't travel as long as a type IX but it dives really fast and it's quick to react (which has saved my virtual butt a lot of times;):smug:) You go hunting some tankers while I take care of those nasty escorts with my Falke torpedos.:p

You might have trouble with SH4 when she comes out as USA Submarines weren't small. The Gato, Tench class were big boats compared to the VII's.

Reminds me to ask anyone still play Silent Hunter 2 with the Pacific Aces Mod? Just loaded this up on the slower PC for a bit of US v Jap gameplay and this mod still rocks.:rock:

[Ducimus]

You might have trouble with SH4 when she comes out as USA Submarines weren't small. The Gato, Tench class were big boats compared to the VII's.



Infact if i remember correctly, a Gato is acutally a tinsy bit larger then an IXD2.

[TheSatyr]

Just a word of warning for type VII skippers. Getting your boat under in less than 60 seconds was considered a decent time in US Fleet Boats. (If they model the dive time correctly.)

On the other hand,lookouts could see further on US boats than on U-Boats...since they were higher up. Plus they had decent anti-air radar.(which again was located higher off the water than the ones on U-Boats) so you should have warning of air attacks sooner than you would on a U-Boat.

Course it all depends on how it will all be modeled in game.

[hyperion2206]

I risk being called a pussy, but the IX is not my type of U-Boot:arrgh!:. I love my smaller but more agile VII. I know that it has fewer torpedoes and can't travel as long as a type IX but it dives really fast and it's quick to react (which has saved my virtual butt a lot of times;):smug:) You go hunting some tankers while I take care of those nasty escorts with my Falke torpedos.:p


You might have trouble with SH4 when she comes out as USA Submarines weren't small. The Gato, Tench class were big boats compared to the VII's.

Reminds me to ask anyone still play Silent Hunter 2 with the Pacific Aces Mod? Just loaded this up on the slower PC for a bit of US v Jap gameplay and this mod still rocks.:rock:

Sure, US subs were relatively large and this can be quite troublesome in shallow waters, but one has to keep in mind that they were technological far more advanced than the Japanese. They had radar as early as '42 if I recall it correctly. That should compensate the fact that these boats were huge ( I hope):lol:

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Allright allready. We all likeour boat for diffrent reasons. Now can we shut up? :roll:

[stabiz]

Nope, this is the only subject where differing opinions rarely turn into a blood fest. Enjoy it! :up:

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Nope, this is the only subject where differing opinions rarely turn into a blood fest. Enjoy it! :up:
Well if you cant beet'em join them! So......
Bleve it or not 4 of the top five U-Boats in the war where IXB's. #4 was my beloved U-124. :smug:

http://uboat.net/ops/successful_boats.htm

[Ducimus]

I love big boats i cannot lie! :lol:

[d@rk51d3]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:



Shake shake shake....... shake das Booty

[jasonsagert]

I've done careers (SH3commander careers that is) with IXCs, IXD2's, VIIBs, and VIICs.

My only problem with the big boats is the Atlantic crossing or the long trip to the South Atlantic. I love the torp. loadout and flak. Hate the dive time. And damn, again, those long trips can be boring as hell. Though every now and then I long for the far off places and do a IXD2 career. Then, about half way through it (I mean half way before I get sunk), I wish I hadn't--to much open ocean :D.

I guess I rather get into the dirty business of sinking ships as soon as possible. Hell, maybe I'll try another drumbeat career just to make sure ;).

I have to say, my last couple of careers have been IIVCs and I'm learning to love these boats a bunch--really love them in 43' and 44'.

J

[Kapitan]

I must say since i upgraded to the type IXC i havnt realy liked it at all i prefer my type VIIB U-55 it had all the mod cons on it and could hit 20 knots on the surface if pushed, my crew was well worked trained and ran like a well oiled machine and now i got to partly start over.

All of my crew have some form of medals now all have had promotions and all my officers have 3 skills and petty officers have a skill.

But sadly ive lost 6 crew in total since 1939 5 of the died when aircraft hit the flak gun (seprate times) then i lost my top officer he was on the bridge and i surfaced very close to a tanker that was breaking up he must have been hit by shrapnel he died.

[Ducimus]

I've done careers (SH3commander careers that is) with IXCs, IXD2's, VIIBs, and VIICs.

My only problem with the big boats is the Atlantic crossing or the long trip to the South Atlantic.

A patrol in an type 9 lasts for days. I mean, ill start a patrol, and ill play that same patrol for probably the next 4 or 5 days before i go back to port. So one patrol to me, is like 1 week's afterwork game time.

As for the transatlantic crossing, my solution has been thus:

Mydocuments/sh3/data/cfg/main.cfg


[TIME COMPRESSION]
TimeStop=0
RealTime=1
LandProximity=1024
CriticalDamage=1
CrewEfficiency=1
AirEnemyDetected=-1
SoundEffects=2
CharacterAnim=4
EnemyDetected=1
RadioReport=1
Particles=8
PrayState=16
HunterState=32
3DRender=32
Maximum=2048


With those settigns, once i clear biscay bay, and mabe past the azores, i just step up the time compression, turn up the speaker volume so i can hear the watch crew, and go watch CSI or something. If an aircraft is spotted, the game will automatically pause for me, so when i get back to the keyboard i can deal with the situation. Now all that said, crossing the atlantic at 2048 time compression takes like 20 minutes i beleive. Only have to do it twice per patrol, rest of the time is spent lurking in the caribean or soemthing :P

[Kapitan]

While im still training myself the next war will be done in real time ie if it is a 3 month patrol it will take 3 months o that makes it so much harder.

[Ducimus]

While im still training myself the next war will be done in real time ie if it is a 3 month patrol it will take 3 months o that makes it so much harder.

I just couldn't do that. Im not THAT patient, and the real life cost of keeping a machine running 24/7 for months at a time isnt very appealing. Not to mention if you try and get up out of bed everytime you hear a report from your crew late at night. Im not disturbing my sleep over a game. No offense matey, but 1X TC gameplaying is admiral in the dedication involved, but thats just nuts!

[Kapitan]

No what i mean is turn the PC off at night and run time compresion in the morning just play it to real timeish like i normaly true.

[kiwi_2005]

While im still training myself the next war will be done in real time ie if it is a 3 month patrol it will take 3 months o that makes it so much harder.

You a bloody hardcore submariner player:D Jesus you not even 6months into SH3 and already your looking at playing it in realtime 1x. I tried this and lasted 2weeks, if my other PC could run SH3 well, then i would be playing it all the time this way and just leave it running, but i have other games i wanna play so i really cannot do this unless i save and go out, but then it would take along time to reach my objective grid.

Well i suppose 100% is not 100% unless you play the game in 1x.:)

[Tijn]

:o :o :o Jezus!! Although i have respect for the way you play it's to much for me. I trying to get to the end of the war before 2011.:lol:


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