Seawolves Expansion Pack

[sonicninja]

I have my SH3 patched to 1.4 and the Grey Wolves mod installed along with various other little mods, I would like to install the SeaWolves expansion pack also, would this cause any problems with the game with all these mods?

[danlisa]

Sorry to be blunt, but

DON'T DO IT

[sonicninja]

why is that shipmate?

[P_Funk]

Ummmmm try doing a search on the forums for X1, Seawolves, and motherf**ers.

The result would be a bunch of threads of the community spitting at commercial developers stealing the ideas of the community's hard work.

[danlisa]

Ummmmm try doing a search on the forums for X1, Seawolves, and motherf**ers.

Excellent, couldn't put it better myself:rotfl: :rotfl:

[sonicninja]

But seawolves is based on the war in the pacific isnt it and not europe?

[danlisa]

@ sonicninja

I'm sorry for the outburst, but if you search around a little, you will find that temperatures get very high when this "so called" exp pack is discussed.

It has been brought up many times and as such we rather abruptly reply to these issues.

You weren't to know this and I appologise.

GW is vastly superior, stay with that. Besides GWX will be out v.soon.

[sonicninja]

Yes ive noticed i am just reading through some of the threads now:huh: , i have the GW mod and its fantastic but im just looking to add as much as possible to SH3, I dont want to miss out on any extra mods thats all.

[P_Funk]

From what I've read I recall hearing that Seawolves apparently adds single missions in the Pacific but that the core game is the same. Same dynamic Atlantic campaign.

[danlisa]

i have the GW mod and its fantastic but im just looking to add as much as possible to SH3, I dont want to miss out on any extra mods thats all.

Everything that you could possibly need can be found through this forum.

Which is why seawolves/X1 came here to pinch them

[melnibonian]

You don't need Seawolves. Put GW on your computer and you'll have the experience of a lifetime:up: GW has everything you need and if what I'm hearing is correct GWX (comming soon to a mirror near you:D ) is going to be even better!!! So why bother with Seawolves???

Obviously you can do whatever you want but that's my opinion;)

Good Luck and Good Hunting

[sonicninja]

i will research further into what the expansion actually gives before i consider buying it, i was looking at the possibliity of adding it to my SH3.
I tried downloading the UBOAT WAR ACE campaign from a link given in one of the subsim forums but i couldnt install it as my pc doesnt recognise the Z file or somthing like that:-?

[danlisa]

Try google for 7-Zip. Best compression software out, freeware too:up:

[Biggles]

Question: What about "Battle in the Med." Expansion? Is that from GW too?

[danlisa]

'Duck for Cover'

This is released by the same company

The bit's 'aquired' by X1 were not nessesarily all from GW. It's just that they stole peoples work & sold them as their own:nope:

This has been covered in great depth before. Please have a search around, you will find all that you need to know about this issue.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Question: What about "Battle in the Med." Expansion? Is that from GW too?

Ummm... Pssst... Biggles...

GW/GWX is a single FREEWARE mod package produced by this community...

The other stuff (SW, Seawolves, Battle in the Med, X1 Software-Combat Planes) is well...

Fill in the blank with your favorite curse: __________________

[melnibonian]

Question: What about "Battle in the Med." Expansion? Is that from GW too?

Hello

I am not totally sure on the technicalities but I think Battle in the Med uses mods that have been made from other people without their concent (to put it mildly and be polite). I think some of the mods in GW are in the Battle, but I don't know which ones. Either way GW is far better and I recomend it to everyone.

[danlisa]

Anyone who is even considering these "expansion" packs, be advised that GWX is coming soon.

Wait For It, you won't be dissappointed.

[Biggles]

Question: What about "Battle in the Med." Expansion? Is that from GW too?

Ummm... Pssst... Biggles...

GW/GWX is a single FREEWARE mod package produced by this community...

The other stuff (SW, Seawolves, Battle in the Med, X1 Software-Combat Planes) is well...

Fill in the blank with your favorite curse: __________________

Okay......But I think that it's quite important that the Med. gets some more action. Does any of the big mods give us that?

[danlisa]

I think that you can rely on the GWX dev team to not leave any area of operation out.

They are masters in what they do, which is why GWX is so keenly anticipated.

Also, to give a balanced view.....

NYGM 2.2 has also re-worked the Med.

[Biggles]

Okay, But I aint to much for reality. I'm not a hardcore player that goes 100% realism, so I think NYGM is not for me. But I WILL get GWX!

[danlisa]

Hers's an option for you if you are concerned about the Med traffic.

Open the Mission editor and load the campaign files then crank up the time compression.

You will see that there is actually a lot of traffic in the Med.

[Biggles]

Hers's an option for you if you are concerned about the Med traffic.

Open the Mission editor and load the campaign files then crank up the time compression.

You will see that there is actually a lot of traffic in the Med.


I'll note that......thank you:yep:

BTW, I'm finally up and running with my new comp. next week, so I'd like a link where I can find the Mod enabler or what you call it. Anyone would help me with that would be very kind.

[danlisa]

http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/software/products.html

[Tuddley3]

why is that shipmate?

Do you like installing Spyware on your computer(Big Brother).

I have UBWA 1.92 Light at FileFront :
http://files.filefront.com/WarAceCampaign192light7z/;6125247;;/fileinfo.html

[SteamWake]

why is that shipmate?

Do you like installing Spyware on your computer(Big Brother).


What tha :oops:

Sigh not again. Let me sum it up for you "Seawolves" bad... "Greywolves" good... and free.

[JSalinger]

Or to simplify it even more: Seawolves is illegal and usage of it in the United States constitutes a federal felony; Greywolves is VERY legal and usage of it in the United States will do nothing but get you even more addicted to SH3. :)

[Subwolf]

Excuse me, but that's a lie. Seawolves is not illegal, it's for sale in the stores and I got it too.

This software for SH3 contains a lot of stuff I can't find as freeware. If it was put together by freeware mods, like GW, then it's a another story. But it isn't, and I enjoy it.

So what's the matter with you guys, are you pissed off because you can't get every mod for free? The attitude in this forum against payware for SH3 makes me laugh. Payware mods are common for most games, like Flight Simulator 2004. That game cost me $80, but I got $400 of additional payware in it...

[Soviet_Sharpshooter]

Excuse me, but that's a lie. Seawolves is not illegal, it's for sale in the stores and I got it too.

This software for SH3 contains a lot of stuff I can't find as freeware. If it was put together by freeware mods, like GW, then it's a another story. But it isn't, and I enjoy it.

So what's the matter with you guys, are you pissed off because you can't get every mod for free? The attitude in this forum against payware for SH3 makes me laugh. Payware mods are common for most games, like Flight Simulator 2004. That game cost me $80, but I got $400 of additional payware in it...


And yet all you do in the vanilla is fly around... great game to make payware mods for :rotfl:

[Respenus]

Excuse me, but that's a lie. Seawolves is not illegal, it's for sale in the stores and I got it too.

This software for SH3 contains a lot of stuff I can't find as freeware. If it was put together by freeware mods, like GW, then it's a another story. But it isn't, and I enjoy it.

So what's the matter with you guys, are you pissed off because you can't get every mod for free? The attitude in this forum against payware for SH3 makes me laugh. Payware mods are common for most games, like Flight Simulator 2004. That game cost me $80, but I got $400 of additional payware in it...

From what hell spawn did you get from! Paying for something that is both free and better. Do you even realise how many free mods are out there. Go to filefront.com and see all the games that are modded by the community. FOR FREE!!! If you wish to pay for a GOOD product addon like for MS FS, then go, buy it, by all means.

But X1 ripped off modders in this community and it did a bad job.

Just wait for GWX that will come out shortly (can't tell you the exact time). It will have Black Sea operations, you can bet your right hand it will have Med operations :D

[Kingcobra24]

Ahem! Perhaps it's time that we, the rational adults of this community, step back and move onward, rather than once again resort to name calling, insults, etc. Not every mod will be everyone's cup of tea. Everyone has a right to their own personal opinion about anything and everything. Their opinions aren't necessarily right or wrong - merely different! Will it really do any good to try to get others to see things the same way we do? Is it really that important that they do so?:rock::rock::rock::rock:
:lurk:

[Dowly]

Excuse me, but that's a lie. Seawolves is not illegal, it's for sale in the stores and I got it too.

This software for SH3 contains a lot of stuff I can't find as freeware. If it was put together by freeware mods, like GW, then it's a another story. But it isn't, and I enjoy it.

So what's the matter with you guys, are you pissed off because you can't get every mod for free? The attitude in this forum against payware for SH3 makes me laugh. Payware mods are common for most games, like Flight Simulator 2004. That game cost me $80, but I got $400 of additional payware in it...

Maybe you should study on this subject abit more. Why in the name of a donkey´s *ss should I pay for something that: a) uses stolen mods b) is made very poorly, has spyware on it and looks like that all the mods have been just slumped together without even checking they work as whole.

Oh... and did I say that I can get much more, much better and much more professional mods for free.

[John Channing]

Ahem! Perhaps it's time that we, the rational adults of this community, step back and move onward, rather than once again resort to name calling, insults, etc. Not every mod will be everyone's cup of tea. Everyone has a right to their own personal opinion about anything and everything. Their opinions aren't necessarily right or wrong - merely different! Will it really do any good to try to get others to see things the same way we do? Is it really that important that they do so?:rock::rock::rock::rock:
:lurk:

Listen to what he said.

Seriously... keep it cool and knock off the over the top rhetoric!

JCC

[Safe-Keeper]

Excuse me, but that's a lie. Seawolves is not illegal, it's for sale in the stores and I got it too.You have it and it's sold in stores, so it's not illegal? Nice reasoning.

This software for SH3 contains a lot of stuff I can't find as freeware.Nobody claimed all of it was stolen.

If it was put together by freeware mods, like GW, then it's a another story. But it isn't [...]Yes, it is. There's ample evidence of it stealing work from the community without giving credit to the designers.

[...] and I enjoy it.Which is a totally moot point. Your enjoyment does not justify anything. Heck, there are people out there who enjoy child pornography.

So what's the matter with you guys, are you pissed off because you can't get every mod for free? The attitude in this forum against payware for SH3 makes me laugh.I know I'm not supposed to use debate rhetoric in NormalSpeak, but...

Strawman argument.

Payware mods are common for most games, like Flight Simulator 2004. That game cost me $80, but I got $400 of additional payware in it..."Most games" is an overstatement.

And yes, pay-ware mods are relatively common, but most of them don't rip off free modifications.

[Subwolf]

I only listen to opinions from those who got it, and from most of them it's thumbs up. Seawolves adds a new scenario to SH3 which is not available from any freeware.

What's the big deal if there are a couple of freeware mods in it, they were not important for the release, if so it just makes it even better for us who enjoys these addons. The quality is as expected of a payware product.

Let me just remind you that Seawolves is one of the bestsellers at Simmarket.com, so thanks to Combat Planes Inc. for their addons for SH3.

[Safe-Keeper]

I only listen to opinions from those who got it, and from most of them it's thumbs up.Read a few reviews of it. Most of them are thumbs-down. Not that it matters. Just that it's popular, doesn't mean it's OK to steal mods.

What's the big deal if there are a couple of freeware mods in it [...]Try making a mod' yourself. Maybe then you'll understand the affection people get for their work. I'd be very angry indeed if somebody took as much as a byte of data from my NorOps mod' without permission and claimed it was their work.

[...] It just makes it even better for us who enjoys these addons. I'd suppose that is why they were stolen, because they're good.

The quality is as expected of a payware product.Expected, but not provided.

Let me just remind you that Seawolves is one of the bestsellers at Simmarket.comIt sells, so it's OK?

[Dowly]

Seawolves might be more popular than any of the supermods. There´s a very good reason for it. Not everyone who owns SHIII, browse forums. I could safe it´s less than 30% of the players that browse forums of the game they have. So, they dont have any idea that there is actually 500% better and more professionally made mods out there, for free.

[joea]

Ahem! Perhaps it's time that we, the rational adults of this community, step back and move onward, rather than once again resort to name calling, insults, etc. Not every mod will be everyone's cup of tea. Everyone has a right to their own personal opinion about anything and everything. Their opinions aren't necessarily right or wrong - merely different! Will it really do any good to try to get others to see things the same way we do? Is it really that important that they do so?:rock::rock::rock::rock:
:lurk:
Listen to what he said.

Seriously... keep it cool and knock off the over the top rhetoric!

JCC

Keep it cool? Of course, but I am sorry saying stealing is wrong is never "just an opinion". :nope:

[joea]

I only listen to opinions from those who got it, and from most of them it's thumbs up. Seawolves adds a new scenario to SH3 which is not available from any freeware.

What's the big deal if there are a couple of freeware mods in it, they were not important for the release, if so it just makes it even better for us who enjoys these addons. The quality is as expected of a payware product.

Let me just remind you that Seawolves is one of the bestsellers at Simmarket.com, so thanks to Combat Planes Inc. for their addons for SH3.

There is evidence there were more than just a couple of freeware mods, which were taken WITHOUT permission, which means stolen. That's the only important point. I certainly am not against payware.

[Subwolf]

Seawolves might be more popular than any of the supermods. There´s a very good reason for it. Not everyone who owns SHIII, browse forums. I could safe it´s less than 30% of the players that browse forums of the game they have. So, they dont have any idea that there is actually 500% better and more professionally made mods out there, for free.

The SH3 official site links to subsim.com as the main community site, I would think that most SH3 owners are aware of the subsim forums...

Well in my point of view these so called stolen mods must be a very small part of the product, any modder should look at it as an honor if his little mod was found good enough to be included in a payware product. But of course...the modder should be asked first.

Anyway, it's not my intention to start a fight in here, let's just conclude with the fact that there are different opinions about this. What I'm trying to say is that it should be up to each and everyone to decide if Seawolves is worth the money or not, to me it was.

[Respenus]

..., any modder should look at it as an honor if his little mod was found good enough to be included in a payware product.
LITTLE? LITTLE? You can GW little? You'd better hide from Kpt. Lehmann.

But of course...the modder should be asked first.
Good, atleast we agree on something.

[Safe-Keeper]

The SH3 official site links to subsim.com as the main community site, I would think that most SH3 owners are aware of the subsim forums...Of all the Silent Hunter III players, how many go to the main site?
Of the people who go to the main site, how many go to SubSim?
Of the people who go to SubSim, how many visit the forums?
Of the people who visit the forums, how many discover the super-mods?
Of the people who discover the super-mods, how many download them?

Well in my point of view these so called stolen mods [...]I'm completely at a loss to explain why you tag the "so-called" prefix onto "stolen", in the face of all the evidence available that they are, indeed, stolen.

[...] any modder should look at it as an honor if his little mod was found good enough to be included in a payware product.Again you fail to address the real issue. No one's complaining that their mod "was found worthy of being included". They're upset because the mod was stolen from them.

[Pants]

I hope you get your probs sorted.like someone suggested ages ago try and contact the people who released the expansion.
As you can see this subject is a sore point with the community.I do not wish to get involved in another X-1 thread as i have made my personal oppinions on this subject quite clear in other threads.

[danlisa]

I think we're fighting a losing battle with this one, guys. All the evidence is available for anyone to look at and reach their own conclusions.

We've all reached our conclusion and we will stand our ground in the face of these "expansion pack's" way of 'getting' things done.:nope:

We are all in danger of being dragged into another lengthy discussion/argument about the rights and wrongs of this.

My suggestion is to let this gentleman go on his way and continue on whatever course he wants to, we have expressed our feelings in no uncertain terms.

We will not offer any kind of support in this forum for these questionable expansion packs.

Please let this thread die.

[Subwolf]

..., any modder should look at it as an honor if his little mod was found good enough to be included in a payware product.
LITTLE? LITTLE? You can GW little? You'd better hide from Kpt. Lehmann.

At least I don't need my glasses in here...

Btw you probably got something wrong if you believe that Grey Wolves is included in Seawolves.


Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper
Of all the Silent Hunter III players, how many go to the main site?
Of the people who go to the main site, how many go to SubSim?
Of the people who go to SubSim, how many visit the forums?
Of the people who visit the forums, how many discover the super-mods?
Of the people who discover the super-mods, how many download them?

According to a poll here about 90%. The forums were visited by 4000 capts last 24hrs + all the stowaways...I believe the forums are well known among subsimmers, no question about that ;)


Originally Posted by danlisa
My suggestion is to let this gentleman go on his way and continue on whatever course he wants to, we have expressed our feelings in no uncertain terms.

We will not offer any kind of support in this forum for these questionable expansion packs.

Please let this thread die.

I will respect that, as you hopefully will respect my opinion about the matter. No hard feelings :sunny:

[danlisa]

I will respect that, as you hopefully will respect my opinion about the matter. No hard feelings :sunny:

No hard feelings at all as everyone is entitled to their own opinion.:sunny:

On the first page of this thread I remember saying that temperatures can run pretty high on this topic, hopefully, this exchange has not put you off this forum, as it is most certainly the best Sub forum available.

Thank You.

[Subwolf]

I will respect that, as you hopefully will respect my opinion about the matter. No hard feelings :sunny:

No hard feelings at all as everyone is entitled to their own opinion.:sunny:

On the first page of this thread I remember saying that temperatures can run pretty high on this topic, hopefully, this exchange has not put you off this forum, as it is most certainly the best Sub forum available.

Thank You.

And thank you, Sir. No I'm not scared off, can handle some rough seas. These forums will continue to be most helpful to me as a SH3 commander. This issue is now closed as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, we capts shouldn't argue...now let's sail out there and fight our common enemy :rock:

[U-104]

let's sail out there and fight our common enemy :rock::up::yep::rock:

[Wulfmann]

We recently did a study on the user agreement we all clicked to install SH3 a solely owned copyrighted program of Ubisoft.
It specifically states to install the SH3 program you can not alter it in any way.
Mods, therefore, that are not specifically authorized by Ubisoft that edit, change or in any way modify any SH3 file are in violation of the user agreement you had to click that you excepted.
Ubisoft owns every file in SH3 including the ones modified without permission like the very fine GW and NYGM and others.
The fact it benefits UBI to actually turn their head to freeware mods does not make them legal.
Only one entity has been given permission to make an add on expansion of SH3; X-1/Combat Planes. No one else has permission.
They have the legal right to utilize the files owned by Ubisoft to make this add on.
Technically they can use any freeware mod (Let’s be clear, files that are modified UBI material they can but completely original material is another matter, IMO, like HMS Hood or Roma etc unless those used UBI owned files to create them)
That means GW and NYGM are the illegal mods and not Seawolves, but that is technically and UBI has certainly not enforced their user agreement and the lack of doing so may make GW a bit grey in a way!
Seawolves Med was released in France before TGW and I certainly (beta tested SW) can attest it was finished long before GW was released so every time anyone says they took anything from TGW shows extreme ignorance.
I still find it amusing that people get so worked up when someone wants to buy a mod as if it is a religious damnation to them. You have Blasphemed the God of our forum and must die infidels!!!:rotfl:
Like it or not Seawolves is the legal add on and the rest are in violation of the user agreement.
Of that there is no (legal) doubt so please refrain from being so mean spirited to fellow simmers that bought SW and welcome them here. Then encourage them to make a second install they can add TGW to and they can have their cake and eat it to and our community will grow giving more cause for continued SH3s in the future.
For the love of killing the English be nice!:up:

Wulfmann

[Subwolf]

Well Wulfmann, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to arrest you here.

Because I don't think that Ubisoft minds freeware mods to SH3. In fact they got a page on the SH3 official site with links to some mods. They are kinda old now, but I think you get the point...freeware mods are okey by Ubisoft.

Just take a look here: http://www.silent-hunteriii.com/uk/communitymods.php

Let's do as danlisa says...rest this case.

[sonicninja]

Those of you that believe certain freeware stuff and mods were stolen from the subsim community may take happiness in the fact that "War in the Med" and "Seawolves" are easily available on emule and various other illegal sites etc for pirates to easily steal, so the thieves are now being.thieved from, so to speak.

:arrgh!:
I must say this also: Although I do not condone piracy and do not download any illegal software personally, it is some comfort that what goes around comes around.

Nuff Said :know:

[Wulfmann]

On that we agree, what goes around comes around.

The very first act of theft occurred when members here illegally downloaded X-1 files from an unsecured site (if you don’t lock the door stealing is OK?) of everything they had long before any release or any formulation of what they would make as their first expansion.
So, when some free mods showed up on the first expansion (technically owned by UBI so legit for X-1 to use anyway) it was in fact what goes around comes around.

Except here when modders steal it is in the name of God (Allah?) because they are so good and nice but when others give it back how dare they.

Like the hypocrite preacher this past weekend I have never had any sympathy for those here that were pointing their finger not noticing they had four other fingers point right back at them.

My point is people here said they were right and SW was wrong when IMO everyone of them had the same guilt of misconduct and selfishness.

Don’t expect to not get a neutral opinion (although I realize anything that does not follow the party line is not considered neutral but anti) on SW every time a rant is posted

Wulfmann

[Gizzmoe]

We will not offer any kind of support in this forum for these questionable expansion packs.

"We" will. People can come here and ask whatever they want and it would be very disrespectful not to help someone just because they use a mod pack that you don´t like.

[HunterICX]

:doh: So, if someone has the right to download a freeware mod and make it a payware mod of it is legal?

downloading an pirated Payware game, and then share it agains so then it would become a freeware game. would be legal then?

but anyway both things are ILLEGAL

because its clearly statet as on many freeware products that you MAY NOT SELL the product for personal gain.

Note Right of Freeware:
Freeware. The reproduction and distribution of freeware is allowed and encouraged as long as it is not for profit and with the condition that derivative works must also be designated as freeware. That means that you cannot take freeware, modify or extend it, and then sell it as commercial or shareware software. For additional information, please see Shareware, Freeware & Public Domain Software

[_Seth_]

On that we agree, what goes around comes around.

The very first act of theft occurred when members here illegally downloaded X-1 files from an unsecured site (if you don’t lock the door stealing is OK?) of everything they had long before any release or any formulation of what they would make as their first expansion.
So, when some free mods showed up on the first expansion (technically owned by UBI so legit for X-1 to use anyway) it was in fact what goes around comes around.

Except here when modders steal it is in the name of God (Allah?) because they are so good and nice but when others give it back how dare they.

Like the hypocrite preacher this past weekend I have never had any sympathy for those here that were pointing their finger not noticing they had four other fingers point right back at them.

My point is people here said they were right and SW was wrong when IMO everyone of them had the same guilt of misconduct and selfishness.

Don’t expect to not get a neutral opinion (although I realize anything that does not follow the party line is not considered neutral but anti) on SW every time a rant is posted

Wulfmann
Ok, Wulfmann. What is it that you dont understand? Let me quote a thread i posted here on subsim some time ago:


I believe this discussion has been up for some time now....:nope:

The fact that its copyrighted, is ok. But if X1 thinks that all the mods are made illegaly, they have just sold stolen goods. Thats a crime. Why not go to legal actions againt the freeware modders, if their work is such a big crime?

Who owns the colors on the ships in SHIII? Or the color of the water? Or the excellent models made in wings 3d or other programs? A color isnt a color until it colors something (Rene Descartes). Is the "Mona Lisa" made by Leonardo da Vinci, or is it made by the guy who made the canvas, or the guy who made the colors? Or maybe Mona Lisa's parents, since they made her.....?:doh:

I respect your point of view, Wulfmann, and kudos for keeping the discussion in a professional and matter-of-factly way. But i disagree with you, mate. I dont think any game company would loose money on a "open source" policy, they would rather gain public relations and economical benefits. And just to mention how the worlds copyright laws work, here is some quotes.... :

From Wikipeida:

"Copyright law covers only the particular form or manner in which ideas or information have been manifested, the "form of material expression". It is not designed or intended to cover the actual idea, concepts, facts, styles, or techniques which may be embodied in or represented by the copyright work. Copyright law provides scope for satirical or interpretive works which themselves may be copyrighted."


The Norwegian law of copyright, AKA "åndsverksloven", § 4:

"The original maker can not deny anyone to make new creations based on the original work. The copyright of the new and independent creations does not depend on the copyright of the original work".

In Norwegian:

"§ 4. Opphavsmannen kan ikke sette seg imot at andre benytter hans åndsverk på en slik måte at nye og selvstendige verk oppstår. Opphavsretten til det nye og selvstendige verk er ikke avhengig av opphavsretten til det verk som er benyttet."


I hope this made it clearer.

And, BTW: When you install SH3, the only question you get is "Do you agree to the terms of the licence agreement"? Answer yes or no. There is no option to place your signature or similar legal actions. In fact, anyone can press that yes-button. "Well, i didnt agree, so i let my neighbour press the yes-button, so i could play the game".
And Ubisoft (as a professional company) cant expect everybody to understand the legal terms in the licence agreement anyways. This concludes the "licence-agreement" evidence you are presenting...
Please, i dont mean to be hars, but do me a favour: Read.

[Subwolf]

We will not offer any kind of support in this forum for these questionable expansion packs.

"We" will. People can come here and ask whatever they want and it would be very disrespectful not to help someone just because they use a mod pack that you don´t like.

I am pleased to hear that the moderators seems to share my opinion in this case, a little surprise really...that's why I had to comment on it.

When you say "we" I guess you are refering to the moderators, since more or less the entire community is against this payware product, and will not answer any questions about it. Then there is very little those of us who got another opinion can do, and that's why I stopped my "fight" for Seawolves in this thread.

So then I suggest that all of you against it simply stay out of any Seawolves threads, instead of examples like this one: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=100250

Poor Ragnar39...:nope:
I hope you didn't scare him off.

But I got the product, and now I will try to help if I can.

[Dowly]

The SH3 official site links to subsim.com as the main community site, I would think that most SH3 owners are aware of the subsim forums...

Yes, there is a link, but most players still dont read the game´s forums. Usually they only do it if they are having problems with the game and need help. They register, ask for help and get it. Then they leave the forums alone. There are 17,000 registered members at SubSim and not all those are SHIII players.

Well in my point of view these so called stolen mods must be a very small part of the product, any modder should look at it as an honor if his little mod was found good enough to be included in a payware product. But of course...the modder should be asked first.

Come on! Seawolves is poorly done, contains spyware and has stolen mods, who modder would be honored to see his mod included (read: stolen) to it?

[Subwolf]

Admiral Dowly, I bet you don't even own a copy of Seawolves. If so you got no right to claim that its quality is poor.

But I don't intend to continue this argument, I have clearly stated my opinion about Seawolves in this thread, and nothing will change that.

[bigboywooly]

I own a copy and its poor
End off

[HunterICX]

I own a copy and its poor
End off

Hooray!:()1:

I dont buy it , because the fact that they used others people mods without permission gives it already a poor quality state :stare:

[kylania]

The very first act of theft occurred when members here illegally downloaded X-1 files from an unsecured site (if you don’t lock the door stealing is OK?) of everything they had long before any release or any formulation of what they would make as their first expansion.
So, when some free mods showed up on the first expansion (technically owned by UBI so legit for X-1 to use anyway) it was in fact what goes around comes around.

Are you trying to say that Grey Wolves and other mods that found their way into the Seawolves "product" were in fact stolen from X1's "storehouse of expansions we just don't know what to do with" then released as free mods?

[Dowly]

Admiral Dowly, I bet you don't even own a copy of Seawolves. If so you got no right to claim that its quality is poor.

But I don't intend to continue this argument, I have clearly stated my opinion about Seawolves in this thread, and nothing will change that.

Yes you are right, I dont own a copy of it. But what I´ve heard, it is very poorly done.
If the guys who made it, would´ve made it because they wanted to share their work and improve the game, they would have made sure it is fully working and atleast do not contain spyware. But no, they just decided to make a cover box for a CD they had on the table, labeled "SHIII community work" and added a little surprise for all who buy it in form of a spyware.

But yes, you have your opinions and that´s fine with me, I have nothing against people having opinions. What I have said here, are my opinions. In my opinion, you can get more and better for free.

[Subwolf]

Yes you are right, I dont own a copy of it. But what I´ve heard, it is very poorly done.

Is that so? Well let me tell you this: You got no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe some you will change your minds if you take a look here:
http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=2052
And here:
http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=2107

It's probably time for the moderators to end the pure lies and forum harrassment of these great products for SH3. They do not deserve it, and we shouldn't have to see this in the best forum for subsimmers.

[_Seth_]

Yes you are right, I dont own a copy of it. But what I´ve heard, it is very poorly done.
Is that so? Well let me tell you this: You got no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe some you will change your minds if you take a look here:
http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=2052
And here:
http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=2107

It's probably time for the moderators to end the pure lies and forum harrassment of these great products for SH3. They do not deserve it, and we shouldn't have to see this in the best forum for subsimmers.
BTW: I have both of those (haven't bought them...) and they stink. Seawolves made my antivirus go haywire; (some sort of spyware, i dunno..) .And when i tried BITM, i suddenly recieved my patrolgrid. It was of the coast of Ireland. Well, it was a usual place to send the uboats in WWII , BUT NOT WHEN YOU ARE IN A TYPE IIA IN CONSTANZA!!!! I now have GW 1.1a & NYGM on separate installs; And i wont ever touch the X1 stuff! X1 destroyed the good mods made by this community.

[Subwolf]

BTW: I have both of those (haven't bought them...) and they stink. Seawolves made my antivirus go haywire; (some sort of spyware, i dunno..) .And when i tried BITM, i suddenly recieved my patrolgrid. It was of the coast of Ireland. Well, it was a usual place to send the uboats in WWII , BUT NOT WHEN YOU ARE IN A TYPE IIA IN CONSTANZA!!!! I now have GW 1.1a & NYGM on separate installs; And i wont ever touch the X1 stuff! X1 destroyed the good mods made by this community.

Well if you didn't buy them, where did you get them...illegal download?
If they stink so bad, how come you can even commit a crime to get hold of them?

No wonder you got virus warnings. I clean my puter on a regular basis, and never seen any spyware related to these products, that's simply nonsens.

[HunterICX]

:hmm: Now really this one made me laugh,

Creator: Combat Planes Inc. (http://secure.simmarket.com/default.php?manufacturers_id=247)

and on this website

http://www.x1software.com/

select english language and look under Products and press U-boat to see its total name ''U-Boat: Battle in the Mediterranean''

2 Expansion packs , on both sites labeled with diferent Label of the creator

Go figure....

[Sgt Swanson]

Ok, so now you have my curiosity aroused. I started out with the NYGM mod, but have changed over to GW this past weekend. What other mods are highly recomended to compliment the GW mod?

Also, can anyone either help out with making a pic for my sig block or show me the way to some good pics of the Type VIID that I can use?

Thanks for all the help guys.

[Dowly]

Yes you are right, I dont own a copy of it. But what I´ve heard, it is very poorly done.
Is that so? Well let me tell you this: You got no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe some you will change your minds if you take a look here:
http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=2052
And here:
http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=2107

It's probably time for the moderators to end the pure lies and forum harrassment of these great products for SH3. They do not deserve it, and we shouldn't have to see this in the best forum for subsimmers.
WTF!?

Which point is lie?

1) They use mods made by the community without the modders permission
2) They included spyware to their product
3) You can get more better, bigger and professionally made mods for free (This is actually up to the player, but to compare the supermods to SW, SW loses 10-0)

Here´s a quote from PC Zone´s review of the Uboat:BITM.


...you´ve either already bought this add-on or you´re outraged that they are charging money for it when there are free add-ons like Grey Wolves already out there.

Funny that they print something like that if the BITM is actually a good add-on. :hmm:

[JSalinger]

Gentlemen (and any ladies who might be around), if I may...

If I wanted to listen to mudslinging, I'd go back to school right now instead of tomorrow morning, and if I wanted to listen to rhetoric, I'd get satellite TV and listen to al-Jazeera. You all have different opinions, and that's great...but this horse has been beaten to death many times over already, so I think it's time we stop beating it even more. My mother would say "Act your age, not your shoe size." Fortunately for all of us, she's not here. :D But seriously, let's get back to sinking the English schwein...

[jasonsagert]

JSalinger,

You mean like this?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/jasonsagert/BEATINGADEADHORSE.gif

Man, that makes me laugh every time. Alright, carry on.

J

[Gizzmoe]

When you say "we" I guess you are refering to the moderators

No, I meant the entire community.

since more or less the entire community is against this payware product, and will not answer any questions about it.

I am also against SW and BITM, but if someone bought this product and has a question that I can answer, then I will do that. It would be unfair not to do that.

[_Seth_]

BTW: I have both of those (haven't bought them...) and they stink. Seawolves made my antivirus go haywire; (some sort of spyware, i dunno..) .And when i tried BITM, i suddenly recieved my patrolgrid. It was of the coast of Ireland. Well, it was a usual place to send the uboats in WWII , BUT NOT WHEN YOU ARE IN A TYPE IIA IN CONSTANZA!!!! I now have GW 1.1a & NYGM on separate installs; And i wont ever touch the X1 stuff! X1 destroyed the good mods made by this community.
Well if you didn't buy them, where did you get them...illegal download?
If they stink so bad, how come you can even commit a crime to get hold of them?

No wonder you got virus warnings. I clean my puter on a regular basis, and never seen any spyware related to these products, that's simply nonsens.

Where i got them is none of your business. Where did X1 get their stuff? Illegal download...:hmm: Well, in your opinion i might be a criminal, but then; what is X1?
BTW: Im not a computer n00b, believe me, and i clean my drives regulary. That spyware isnt man-made, its made by the Devil X1....

[Gizzmoe]

Thread closed.

BTW, from the forum rules: "Any admission that you have in your possession illegal software can and usually will result in revocation of your Radio Room forum account."

The forum rules:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php