Wolfpack mod

sergbuto · 09-16-05, 03:02 PM

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I succeeded to make a German sub which moves at the periscope depth and attacks Allied shipping with "virtual" torpedoes. The "virtual" torpedoes are invisible 14-inch guns. Unfortunately, I could not get rid of the flash/smoke/traces when guns are firing but it is not really noticable or understandable what is going on, especially when DDs/escorts are attacking submerged AI subs.Since it was not pissible to limit the ammo amount, the gun rotation/elevation is greatly limited and the sub can fire only directly ahead. The sub can be used for creating wolfpacks.

Instructions for use in missions/campaign:

1. The Height value in the unit section, describing the sub in MIS file, should be set to zero. The sub will not move at negative Heights. The sub can not change the depth, i.e. can not dive or surface.

2. It is essential to set the highest speed for the sub to minimize firing time at the target, since it was not possible to limit the ammo amount or firing rate for the guns.Furthermore, DDs/escorts somewhat easy detect the sub and it will not have many chances to survive at low speeds.Note! Since the game somehow subtracts 3 knots from the specified speed in the MIS file, the maximum speed should be set to 11 knots. Then the sub will have 8 knots speed, which is in accord with technical specifications.

I have enclosed a single mission to test wolfpack action.Five AI subs are attacking a convoy with four escorts. The convoy is coming from the player's right-hand side and AI subs are on the right-hand side as well. The mission is rather for observation than for playing. I usually set the speed to one third and switch to AI sub with F12. It is actually interesting to see the difference in attacing efficiency of various DDs.

Unfortunately, Devs has set too high surviving ability for subs. However, when I took it down to the realistic level, the subs were not able to get through the escort screen to the convoy at all. I had to increase it a bit. Nevertheless, the outcome of the mission is very different every time. Sometimes the subs do get to the convoy, sometimes they do not.

Download is available on my site.

Rubini · 09-16-05, 03:35 PM

Great Sergei!

Feedback later.

Rubini.

Schultzy · 09-16-05, 05:16 PM

You're amazing!

Great work.

Marhkimov · 09-16-05, 06:06 PM

But the subs don't drive themselves, I assume. If that is so, then how useful might this mod be? I mean if they have to be scripted, then how would they attack targets in the campaign mode? A ship would have to cross directly in front of their path in order for them to fire...

But besides that, I think that it is a good innovation. Good job sergbuto.

iambecomelife · 09-16-05, 06:50 PM

Great work!

Now we should probably try to find a way to spawn wolfpack attacks triggered by your convoy sightings. I think there's some stuff regarding triggers in the mission builder, but I'm not sure it can work in the campaign. Maybe we could spawn packs from "naval bases" positioned in the middle of the ocean near likely convoy routes, although this would still be leaving a lot up to chance...

gdogghenrikson · 09-16-05, 07:03 PM

hope it isnt too hard to install because that sounds ********N sweet

Kalach · 09-16-05, 08:16 PM

Isn't the 'send contact report' meant to send friendly planes/destroyers to help you attack something? If it actually does work, then I'm sure it could be changed to call in u-boats

FAdmiral · 09-16-05, 08:21 PM

Good work serbguto.... At least now we will have something
of a wolfpack to help us sink enemy ships. BTW, that small
orange circle with arrow on water surface that tells where
your sub is. It seems to be missing from my campaign and I
would like to have it back. Would make my job much easier
to locate my sub without having to dive down & check it...

JIM

Axlwolf · 09-16-05, 08:52 PM

Very good mod Sergbuto,i'm actually doing "evaluation test" about submarine survivability
The AI boat has taken 2 G7es torpedo in the engine room that stopped her,but is not sinking.
Actually seems a bit normal because a player U-Boat can withstand AT LEAST two torpedoes(Tryed myself with FAT)
But i never came out of that without SEVERE flooding.It seems those new boat are much more strong.
Now,excuse me,my WE called me...the last tube is ready

Keep up the good work Sergbuto!

EDIT:
She needed another two torpedo to sink.I have to try with several torpedo hit in more than one compartment.

EDIT 2:
Three hit from AOB 90 killed her

stljeffbb1 · 09-16-05, 09:20 PM

Bravo sergbuto.....I look forward to using this!

-Jeff

sergbuto · 09-17-05, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marhkimov

But the subs don't drive themselves, I assume. If that is so, then how useful might this mod be? I mean if they have to be scripted, then how would they attack targets in the campaign mode? A ship would have to cross directly in front of their path in order for them to fire...

It will be as useful as other new units. Every ship in the campaign needs to be scripted in (except maybe for DDs spawned on alert) including convoys. The wolfpack subs can be scripted in ambush on a patrol route constantly crossing a convoy route and the player can be called via radio to joint the wolfpack.

The AI subs are subject to the collision avoidance routine. When they get inside the convoy, they may sink most of it while trying to avoid any collision because the subs start to turn quite early.

sergbuto · 09-17-05, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axlwolf

Very good mod Sergbuto,i'm actually doing "evaluation test" about submarine survivability
The AI boat has taken 2 G7es torpedo in the engine room that stopped her,but is not sinking.
Actually seems a bit normal because a player U-Boat can withstand AT LEAST two torpedoes(Tryed myself with FAT)
But i never came out of that without SEVERE flooding.It seems those new boat are much more strong.
Now,excuse me,my WE called me...the last tube is ready

Keep up the good work Sergbuto!

EDIT:
She needed another two torpedo to sink.I have to try with several torpedo hit in more than one compartment.

EDIT 2:
Three hit from AOB 90 killed her

AI subs can be made weaker but then DDs kill them too easily and the sub can't get through to the convoy. It is a compromise.

The subs sink slowly, but they will eventually sink. I do not think you need to use more torpedoes.

Axlwolf · 09-17-05, 06:53 AM

Another thing
I dont receive tonnage for the sinking.Only on "Axis unit lost=1",but not the tonnage.

Woof1701 · 09-17-05, 07:19 AM

That's really great news. I can't wait for that to be included in RUB or the Ops Mod!! Absolutely thrilling. We now only have to see whether we have to boost up the escorts a little bit more, since now several escorts may attack a heavily screened convoy, and I often managed to enter the convoy alone though no wolfpack helped me with distracting the escorts

So it's all about balance again, but I guess that can be tweaked with a little time. Now if someone found a way to kill the bugs in the milk cow mod, the game would be perfect

Thanks again!!!

Woof1701 · 09-17-05, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axlwolf

Another thing
I dont receive tonnage for the sinking.Only on "Axis unit lost=1",but not the tonnage.

You're not supposed to sink your own wolfpack and receive tonnage for that

09-16-05, 03:02 PM	#1
sergbuto Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,331 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Wolfpack mod Readme I succeeded to make a German sub which moves at the periscope depth and attacks Allied shipping with "virtual" torpedoes. The "virtual" torpedoes are invisible 14-inch guns. Unfortunately, I could not get rid of the flash/smoke/traces when guns are firing but it is not really noticable or understandable what is going on, especially when DDs/escorts are attacking submerged AI subs.Since it was not pissible to limit the ammo amount, the gun rotation/elevation is greatly limited and the sub can fire only directly ahead. The sub can be used for creating wolfpacks. Instructions for use in missions/campaign: 1. The Height value in the unit section, describing the sub in MIS file, should be set to zero. The sub will not move at negative Heights. The sub can not change the depth, i.e. can not dive or surface. 2. It is essential to set the highest speed for the sub to minimize firing time at the target, since it was not possible to limit the ammo amount or firing rate for the guns.Furthermore, DDs/escorts somewhat easy detect the sub and it will not have many chances to survive at low speeds.Note! Since the game somehow subtracts 3 knots from the specified speed in the MIS file, the maximum speed should be set to 11 knots. Then the sub will have 8 knots speed, which is in accord with technical specifications. I have enclosed a single mission to test wolfpack action.Five AI subs are attacking a convoy with four escorts. The convoy is coming from the player's right-hand side and AI subs are on the right-hand side as well. The mission is rather for observation than for playing. I usually set the speed to one third and switch to AI sub with F12. It is actually interesting to see the difference in attacing efficiency of various DDs. Unfortunately, Devs has set too high surviving ability for subs. However, when I took it down to the realistic level, the subs were not able to get through the escort screen to the convoy at all. I had to increase it a bit. Nevertheless, the outcome of the mission is very different every time. Sometimes the subs do get to the convoy, sometimes they do not. Download is available on my site. __________________ Serg's SH4 and SH3 pages

09-16-05, 06:06 PM	#4
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	But the subs don't drive themselves, I assume. If that is so, then how useful might this mod be? I mean if they have to be scripted, then how would they attack targets in the campaign mode? A ship would have to cross directly in front of their path in order for them to fire... But besides that, I think that it is a good innovation. Good job sergbuto. __________________ It takes two to tango

09-16-05, 06:50 PM	#5
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,584 Downloads: 297 Uploads: 0	Great work! Now we should probably try to find a way to spawn wolfpack attacks triggered by your convoy sightings. I think there's some stuff regarding triggers in the mission builder, but I'm not sure it can work in the campaign. Maybe we could spawn packs from "naval bases" positioned in the middle of the ocean near likely convoy routes, although this would still be leaving a lot up to chance... __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

09-16-05, 07:03 PM	#6
gdogghenrikson Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 978 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	hope it isnt too hard to install because that sounds ********N sweet __________________ And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.

09-16-05, 08:16 PM	#7
Kalach Weps Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 366 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Isn't the 'send contact report' meant to send friendly planes/destroyers to help you attack something? If it actually does work, then I'm sure it could be changed to call in u-boats __________________

09-16-05, 03:35 PM	#2
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	Great Sergei! Feedback later. Rubini.

09-16-05, 05:16 PM	#3
Schultzy Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Großbritannien Posts: 452 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	You're amazing! Great work.

09-16-05, 08:21 PM	#8
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Good work serbguto.... At least now we will have something of a wolfpack to help us sink enemy ships. BTW, that small orange circle with arrow on water surface that tells where your sub is. It seems to be missing from my campaign and I would like to have it back. Would make my job much easier to locate my sub without having to dive down & check it... JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************** www.fairtax.org

09-16-05, 08:52 PM	#9
Axlwolf Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 177 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Very good mod Sergbuto,i'm actually doing "evaluation test" about submarine survivability The AI boat has taken 2 G7es torpedo in the engine room that stopped her,but is not sinking. Actually seems a bit normal because a player U-Boat can withstand AT LEAST two torpedoes(Tryed myself with FAT) But i never came out of that without SEVERE flooding.It seems those new boat are much more strong. Now,excuse me,my WE called me...the last tube is ready Keep up the good work Sergbuto! EDIT: She needed another two torpedo to sink.I have to try with several torpedo hit in more than one compartment. EDIT 2: Three hit from AOB 90 killed her

09-16-05, 09:20 PM	#10
stljeffbb1 Medic Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wisconsin USA Posts: 165 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bravo sergbuto.....I look forward to using this! -Jeff __________________ SH3 Cloning Library: http://www.geocities.com/stljeffbb/CloningLibrary.html :rotfl:

09-17-05, 06:53 AM	#13
Axlwolf Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 177 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Another thing I dont receive tonnage for the sinking.Only on "Axis unit lost=1",but not the tonnage.

09-17-05, 07:19 AM	#14
Woof1701 Commodore Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Munich, Germany, Home of U-96 Posts: 633 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	That's really great news. I can't wait for that to be included in RUB or the Ops Mod!! Absolutely thrilling. We now only have to see whether we have to boost up the escorts a little bit more, since now several escorts may attack a heavily screened convoy, and I often managed to enter the convoy alone though no wolfpack helped me with distracting the escorts So it's all about balance again, but I guess that can be tweaked with a little time. Now if someone found a way to kill the bugs in the milk cow mod, the game would be perfect Thanks again!!!