US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 352

Bilge_Rat · 08-24-18, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Some may have noted that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen has been subpoenaed by the State of New York prosecutors in regards to the NY State criminal investigation of the Donald J. Trump Foundation, Trump's ostensible "charity" foundation, that seems to have benefited Trump more than any actual persons in need of assistance

well no, I actually know how charities work and what charity law says, since that is what I do in RL. Nothing that the Trump charity did, as reported in various lenghty articles, all of which I read, was illegal or out of the norm of what a "typical" charity does. Most of the bad press came from obviously anti-Trump journalists who had no clue how charities work or what is "legal" or were trying to put the worst possible spin on it.

The New York lawsuit is just the latest political stunt.

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In the case of the Trump Foundation investigations, if Trump did the crime, he will do the time...

no, not even close. The worst you may see is a fine which to Trump will be the equivalent of a parking ticket.

Catfish · 08-24-18, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

[...] The New York lawsuit is just the latest political stunt.[...]

Of course. Lmao.

Platapus · 08-25-18, 10:59 AM

Investigations against the political party you favor are political stunts
Investigations against the political party you oppose are a necessary function.

Catfish · 08-25-18, 03:50 PM

Despite all, or because of all, i think the US legal framework is doing a pretty good job, all in all. Wait and see.

Skybird · 08-25-18, 07:55 PM

Senator John McCain died.

Usually I would not mind the death of politicians. He volunteered for being a politician, and in my book that never is a compliment for anyone.

Still there was something around him that made me feel sympathy for this one, and a certain, cautious respect. It had not much to do with him being a political actor, it was something else.

Thus I say: Bon Voyage, Sir.

Jimbuna · 08-26-18, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Senator John McCain died.

Usually I would not mind the death of politicians. He volunteered for being a politician, and in my book that never is a compliment for anyone.

Still there was something around him that made me feel sympathy for this one, and a certain, cautious respect. It had not much to do with him being a political actor, it was something else.

Thus I say: Bon Voyage, Sir.

One of very few politicians I held admiration for.

Catfish · 08-26-18, 06:02 AM

Hard to resist to say something against Trump here, just hope McCain's integrity and ideas live on.
You had deserved to be the president, and a better fate. Rest in peace, Sir.

Skybird · 08-26-18, 06:12 AM

He probably had more integrity than Trump and all the crooks around him together will ever have. Trumps now infamous defamation of McCain told a lot about what there is to know about Trump.

Trump will hate to have a look in the newspapers or at the media today.

Platapus · 08-26-18, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Hard to resist to say something against Trump here, just hope McCain's integrity and ideas live on.
You had deserved to be the president, and a better fate. Rest in peace, Sir.

How history could have changed if he has selected someone else as his running mate.

August · 08-26-18, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

He probably had more integrity than Trump and all the crooks around him together will ever have. Trumps now infamous defamation of McCain told a lot about what there is to know about Trump.

Trump will hate to have a look in the newspapers or at the media today.

He also was known for his quick temper and that was used by his political enemies in the '08 election, many of them now crying their crocodile tears over his passing, to cast him as an aging and increasingly unstable war hawk who would have an itchy finger on the nuclear trigger.

Skybird · 08-27-18, 05:07 AM

Trump used the opportunity and added another glorious, really big, fantastic tweet to his already impressive collection of glorious, really big, fantastic tweets. He mastered the challenge with exceptionell craftsmanship not less of that niveau that exactly one got used to expect from him. Chapeau, Donny! You are great.

Mr Quatro · 08-27-18, 01:31 PM

This is old news, but it is new to me that Clinton's emails were classified and she should have to testify to that fact and on top of that if she had of won she would not be allowed to hold office
due to the fact that you would need a security clearance of the highest order to be the POTUS.

Despite Comey Assurances, Vast Bulk of Weiner Laptop Emails Were Never Examined

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...ever-examined/

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"There was no real investigation and no real search,” said Michael Biasello, a 27-year veteran of the FBI.

"It was all just show — eyewash — to make it look like there was an investigation before the election.”

Sailor Steve · 08-27-18, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

...you would need a security clearance of the highest order to be the POTUS.

I'm not sure that's true.

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No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

It says nothing about security clearances, or even convicted felons. They can't vote, but nothing says they can't run, or serve. Of course it might be hard to serve office if you're already serving time. That could bring up some interesting legal questions.

em2nought · 08-27-18, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Of course it might be hard to serve office if you're already serving time. That could bring up some interesting legal questions.

We could save a bunch on a security detail, and Airbnb the White House too. Win, win!

Platapus · 08-27-18, 04:46 PM

The President does not have a security clearance in the same context as someone else with a security clearance.

By the very act of being elected, the president has the trust of the people (no laughing now!) and as such does not have a formal clearance as it is actually the president, through proxy, that authorizes anyone else to have clearance for classified information.

The same applies, to a lesser extent, to members of congress. Only select members who are involved in the most sensitive aspects have a security background check, but it is rather a formality as just like the president, it is assumed that because they were elected that they are trustworthy in the eyes of the citizens (I mean it! No more laughing!)

Staffers, however, do have the more traditional security clearances as it is the staffers who mostly handle the classified information for congress.

08-25-18, 10:59 AM	#5268
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,954 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Investigations against the political party you favor are political stunts Investigations against the political party you oppose are a necessary function. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Despite all, or because of all, i think the US legal framework is doing a pretty good job, all in all. Wait and see. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Senator John McCain died. Usually I would not mind the death of politicians. He volunteered for being a politician, and in my book that never is a compliment for anyone. Still there was something around him that made me feel sympathy for this one, and a certain, cautious respect. It had not much to do with him being a political actor, it was something else. Thus I say: Bon Voyage, Sir. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 08-25-18 at 08:29 PM.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hard to resist to say something against Trump here, just hope McCain's integrity and ideas live on. You had deserved to be the president, and a better fate. Rest in peace, Sir. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-26-18, 06:12 AM	#5273
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	He probably had more integrity than Trump and all the crooks around him together will ever have. Trumps now infamous defamation of McCain told a lot about what there is to know about Trump. Trump will hate to have a look in the newspapers or at the media today. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-27-18, 05:07 AM	#5276
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Trump used the opportunity and added another glorious, really big, fantastic tweet to his already impressive collection of glorious, really big, fantastic tweets. He mastered the challenge with exceptionell craftsmanship not less of that niveau that exactly one got used to expect from him. Chapeau, Donny! You are great. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-27-18, 04:46 PM	#5280
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,954 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The President does not have a security clearance in the same context as someone else with a security clearance. By the very act of being elected, the president has the trust of the people (no laughing now!) and as such does not have a formal clearance as it is actually the president, through proxy, that authorizes anyone else to have clearance for classified information. The same applies, to a lesser extent, to members of congress. Only select members who are involved in the most sensitive aspects have a security background check, but it is rather a formality as just like the president, it is assumed that because they were elected that they are trustworthy in the eyes of the citizens (I mean it! No more laughing!) Staffers, however, do have the more traditional security clearances as it is the staffers who mostly handle the classified information for congress. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.