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Old 01-01-2010, 03:15 PM   #31
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Downloading 2.0 again, thanks for the hard work and quick fix guys.

As far as no map contacts, well i will try it, will be pain not being able to have a "display" for air contacts but will manage.

Perhaps someone out there could whip up a mod for RFB 2.0 that brings back map contacts but in the fashion of TMO, the small black dots instead of the stock style silhouettes.Just a thought.
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Old 01-01-2010, 05:04 PM   #32
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Some questions on 2.0....


IS there a way to get the conning tower free view, such as in the control room.Only view in CT i have been able to get is the sonar and radar stations.I HATE being stranded in the control room, esp in a gato where the captain always was during an attack etc.

Also, no planesmen except at GQ? kind of funny for boat to dive when on normal watch without planesmen .

Overall though, i am liking what i see, good job.Hopefully there is a CT view and i am just missing.I tried right clicking and it took me back to the control room, blah.
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Old 01-01-2010, 05:24 PM   #33
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I guess my thing with no map contact is, The stock game gives me the option of either having it on or off. So whats the point of forcing it on me off when i can chose via the game weather or not to want it?

I understand one can argue the fact its not 100% "realistic", but give the players some leverage on how they decide how they want to play their game.
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Old 01-01-2010, 05:52 PM   #34
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Re: no chart contacts:

Sadly, there is no perfect solution for chart contact plotting in SH4. Ultimately, either the player is given one of two choices:
  • Being given too much information (i.e., chart contacts automatically plotted and updated in real time)
  • Being given too little information. (i.e., no automatic plotting of chart contacts).
Until something changes with the game's coding (hopefully with SH5) RFB (and the future RUB) will continue to defer to the latter choice. Trust me, I want a more realistic plotting system as much as you guys, but we can only work with the game engine's coding so much.
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At Hitman: I'm glad the team included your binocular/TBT FOV changes. Not to be a wise #ss or anything, but did the real Fleet Boat binoculars have the range markings in them like the mod? I'm just asking because I really don't know.
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IS there a way to get the conning tower free view, such as in the control room.Only view in CT i have been able to get is the sonar and radar stations.I HATE being stranded in the control room, esp in a gato where the captain always was during an attack etc.
Click on the hatch that leads to the conning tower (it will be highlighted when you mouse over it), and you'll be taken to the conning tower free view camera.

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Also, no planesmen except at GQ? kind of funny for boat to dive when on normal watch without planesmen .
Another one of those design decisions we had to make, given the way the game is coded. In reality, two of the lookouts would man the dive planes when the boat submerged. Otherwise, the dive planes would not be manned while the boat was on the surface. The choice, then, was to either add six seamen to the boat's roster that would otherwise not be part of the ship's complement or to leave the planes unmanned, except at GQ. Of course, we went with the latter choice as the lesser of two evils.
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did the real Fleet Boat binoculars have the range markings in them like the mod? I'm just asking because I really don't know.
Yes they did!

Bausch & Lomb released several different models/versions of their binoculars for Navy use, and many came with ranging reticle see table below:

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SCHEDULE OF BINOCULARS, NAVY DEPARTMENT, BUREAU OF SHIPS, FILE NUMBER S2407 - 533074.  8|2|44.    ARRANGED BY PETER ABRAHAMS, 1996.

MK |MOD |GENERAL ARRANGEMENT |CONTRACTOR |MAGNIFICATION |APERTURE |FIELD (DEGREES) |EYE RELIEF, MM |TRANSMISSION % |BUREAU |STATUS (1944) |REMARKS

MK |MOD| GEN ARR  |CONTRACT|MAG|APER|FIELD| ER MM|TRANS%| BUREAU| STATUS| REMARKS
 1 | - | 637126-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | 14.5 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. | STRAIGHT AXLE; RUBBER COVERED
 1 | - | 637145-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | 14.5 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. | TAPERED AXLE, RUBBER COVERED
 1 | - | 24935-C  | B & L  | 7 | 35 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | TAPERED AXLE, PRISM SECURED BY WIRE
 1 | - |45827-O|BUSCH TURLEX|10| 45 | 4   | 15   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 1 | 1 | 637145-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | 14.5 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. | TAPERED AXLE, RUBBER COVERED
 1 | 1 | 526537-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | 14.5 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. | MIL. SCALE
 1 | 1 | 526537-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | 14.5 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. | BRITISH DEGREE SCALE
 1 | 1 | 500-C    | O.F.S. | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. |
 1 | 1 | 24935-C  | B & L  | 7 | 35 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 1 | 2 | 526545-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | 7   | 14.5 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. | ALUMINUM PARTS DIE CAST & LACQUERED
 1 | 2 | 526559-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | 14.5 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. | ALUM. PARTS DIE CAST & VINYLITE COVERED
 1 | 2 | 526537-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | 14.5 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. | ALUM. PARTS DIE CAST & VINYLITE COVERED
 1 | 2 | 500-C    | O.F.S. | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 57.5 | SHIPS | CURR. | SAME AS B & L MK1 MOD 2
 2 | - |45827-O|BUSCH TURLEX|10| -- | 4   | 15   | ---- | ORD   | OBS.  |
 2 | 0 | 536843-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | TAPERED AXLE; PRISM WIRED; SAME AS MK1 & MK1 MOD1
 2 | 2 | 526545-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | 14.5 | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | SAME AS MK1 MOD2; ALUM. PARTS DIE CAST
 3 | - | 46629-O  | B & L  |6-10|33 |3d50'| 18.5 | ---- | ORD   | OBS.  | VARIABLE POWER
 3 | - | 637163-S | B & L  | 6 | 30 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | TAPERED AXLE
 3 | - | 637158-S | B & L  | 6 | 30 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | STRAIGHT AXLE
 3 | 0 | -------- | SPENCER| 7 | 50 |7d39'| 14.5 | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | TAPERED AXLE
 3 | 1 | 637163-S | B & L  | 6 | 30 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | NEW PRISM MOUNTING, EYE PIECE SHOULDERS ON BODY
 3 | 1 | 481746-S | SPENCER| 6 | 30 |8d54'| 11.3 | 55   | SHIPS | OBS.  | COMMERCIAL STOCK
 3 | 2 | -------- | B & L  | 6 | 30 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | NONE MADE
 3 | 3 | -------- | SPENCER| 6 | 30 |8d54'| 11.3 | 55   | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 3 | 4 | -------- | SPENCER| 7 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | COMMERCIAL STOCK
 3 | 5 | 494021-S | SPENCER| 7 | 50 |7d39'| 14.5 | 57.8 | SHIPS | OBS.  | COMMERCIAL STOCK

MK |MOD| GEN ARR  |CONTRACT|MAG|APER|FIELD| ER MM|TRANS%| BUREAU| STATUS| REMARKS
 4 | 0 | 44775-O  | B & L  | 5 | 30 |8d24'| 15   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 4 | 1 | 44775-O  | B & L  | 5 | 30 |8d24'| 15   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 4 | 2 | 50191-O  | B & L  | 5 | 30 |8d24'| 15   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 4 | 3 | 55341-O  | B & L  | 5 | 30 |8d24'| 15   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 5 | 0 | 46801-O  | B & L  | 7 | 50 | 6   | 15.5 | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 5 | 1 | 48926-O  | B & L  | 7 | 50 | 6   | 15.5 | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 6 | 0 | 68816-O  | N.G.F. | 10| 45 | 4.2 | ---- | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 6 | 1 | 68826-O  | N.G.F. | 10| 45 | 4.2 | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 6 | 2 | 68839-O  | N.G.F. | 10| 45 | 4.2 | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 6 | 3 | 17268-C  | B & L  | 10| 45 | 4.2 | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 6 | 4 | 68816-O  | N.G.F. | 10| 45 | 4.2 | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 7 | - | 56588-O  | N.G.F. | 6 | 30 | --- | ---- | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 7 | 0 | 66673-O  | N.G.F. | 6 | 30 | 8   | ---- | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 7 | 1 | 66674-O  | N.G.F. | 6 | 30 | 8   | ---- | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 7 | 2 | 66675-O  | N.G.F. | 6 | 30 | 8   | ---- | ---- | ARMY  | ----- |
 8 | - |34730-O|GLOBE OPTICAL|3| -- | --- | ---- | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  | GALILEAN
 9 | - | 66686-O  | N.G.F. | 3 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  | GALILEAN
 10| - | 119666-O | N.G.F. | 4 | -- | 10  | 22   | ---- | AERO. | OBS.  |
 11| 0 | 119683-O | N.G.F. | 6 | 30 |8d40'| 15   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  | WATERPROOF
 11| 1 | 119683-O | N.G.F. | 6 | 30 |8d40'| 15   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  | WATERPROOF
 11|2-3| 141890-O | N.G.F. | 6 | 30 |8d40'| 15   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  | WATERPROOF
 12| 0 | 132869-O | N.G.F. | 10| 45 |5d12'| 14   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  | WATERPROOF
 12| 1 | 132869-O | N.G.F. | 10| 45 |5d12'| 14   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  | WATERPROOF
 12| 2 | 132869-O | N.G.F. | 10| 45 |5d12'| 14   | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  | WATERPROOF
 13| 0 | 105900-O | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 16   | 57.5 | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 13| 1 | 175965-O | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 16   | 57.5 | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 13| 2 | 175965-O | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 16   | 57.5 | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 13| 3 | 105900-O | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 16   | 57.5 | ORD.  | OBS.  |
 13| 4 | 176489-O | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 16   | 57.5 | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 13| 5 | 300872-O | SPENCER| 7 | 50 |7d39'| 16   | 57.8 | SHIPS | OBS.  |
 13| 6 | 536843-S | B & L  | - | -- | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | OBS.  |


MK |MOD| GEN ARR  |CONTRACT|MAG|APER|FIELD| ER MM|TRANS%| BUREAU| STATUS| REMARKS
 14| - | -------- | N.G.F. | 6 | 30 |8d40'| 15   | ---- | AERO  | OBS.  | MK 11 WITHOUT MIL SCALE
 15| - | 153551-O | N.G.F. | 7 | 50 |7d 2'| 14   | ---- | ORD.  |EXPMTL.| BAKELITE
 16| - | -------- | B & L  | 6 | 30 |8d36'| ---- | ---- | AERO  | OBS.  | RUBBER EYEGUARD
 17| - | -------- | N.G.F. | 4 | 25 | --- | ---- | ---- | ORD.  |EXPMTL.|
 17| 0 | -------- | SPENCER| 7 | 35 |7d38'| 11   | 80   | AERO  |EXPMTL.|
 18| - | 26609-C  | B & L  | 7 | 35 |7d16'| ---- | ---- | AERO  | CURR. | NOT COATED
 18| - | 29157-C  | B & L  | 7 | 35 |7d16'| ---- | ---- | AERO  | CURR. | LEACHED OPTICS; ROTABLE EYEGUARDS; POLARIZING FILTERS
 19| - | 29544-C  | B & L  | - | -- | --- | ---- | ---- | MARINE| ----- | MIL SCALE - LEFT BARREL
 19| 0 | 300853-O | SPENCER| 6 | 30 |8d54'| 11.3 | 55   | MARINE| ----- | MIL SCALE - LEFT BARREL
 20| - | 300864-O | SPENCER| 7 | 35 |7d10'| 10.7 | 56   | MARINE| ----- |
 21| - | 29329-C  | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 7    | ---- | AERO  | CURR. | RUBBER EYEGUARD; POLARIZING FILTER
 21| - | -------- |KOLLSMAN| 7 | 50 |7d10'| 7    | ---- | AERO  | CURR. |
 22| - | 278591-O | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | ORD.  | OBS.  | OFFSET WEDGE ATTACHMENT. WITH MIL SCALE
 23| - | 29466-C  | B & L  | 10| 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | AERO  | CURR. | MK 21 WITH 10 POWER EYEPIECE
 23| - | -------- | B & L  | 10| 50 |5d 5'| 5    | ---- | AERO  | CURR. | RUBBER EYEGUARDS; POLARIZING FILTERS
 24| - | 29461-C  | B & L  | 8 | 56 |6d25'| 7    | ---- | AERO  | CURR. | LEACHED OPTICS; ROTABLE EYEGUARDS; POLARIZING FILTERS
 25| - | -------- | N.G.F. | 10| 70 | --- | ---- | ---- | ORD.  |EXPMTL.| ONLY 2 MADE
 25| 1 | 244100-O | N.G.F. | 10| 70 |5d10'| 13.5 | 79.6 | ORD.  |EXPMTL.| ALTERED MK 13; SUPERSEDED BY MK 37
 26| - | 526545-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | 7   | 14.5 | ---- | ORD.  | CURR. | MK 13 WITH RUBBER EYEGUARDS
 27| - | -------- | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 16   | ---- | ORD.  | CURR. | MODIFIED MK 22. RETICLE WEDGE ATTACHMENT OMITTED
 28| - | 526564-S | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | 14.5 | ---- | SHIPS | CURR. | WATERPROOF
 29| 0 | 30326-C  |UNIVERSAL|6 | 30 |8d15'| 10.2 | 50   | SHIPS | OBS.  | ALSO 30297-C
 30| 0 | 494040-S | SPENCER| 7 | 50 |7d39'| 14.5 | 57.8 | SHIPS | CURR. | WATERPROOF
 31| 0 | 481756-S | SPENCER| 6 | 30 |8d54'| 11.3 | 55   | SHIPS | OBS.  | COMMERCIAL STOCK

MK |MOD| GEN ARR  |CONTRACT|MAG|APER|FIELD| ER MM|TRANS%| BUREAU| STATUS| REMARKS
 32| 0 | 471988   | ANCHOR | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 75   | SHIPS | CURR. | # IS STD. PLAN #, NOT G. A. WATERPROOF, COATED OPTICS.
 32| 1 |  "       |NATIONAL| 7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 75   | SHIPS | CURR. |
 32| 2 |  "       |UNIVERSAL|7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 75   | SHIPS | CURR. |
 32| 3 | -------- | PERFEX | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 75   | SHIPS | CANCEL|
 32| 4 | 533081   | ANCHOR | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 75   | SHIPS | CURR. | # IS STANDARD PLAN NUMBER
 32| 5 |  "       |NATIONAL| 7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 75   | SHIPS | CURR. |
 32| 6 |  "       |UNIVERSAL|7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 75   | SHIPS | CURR. |
 33| 0 | BNS300-C |UNIVERSAL|6 | 30 |8d15'| 10.2 | 50   | SHIPS | CURR. | WATERPROOF
 34| - | -------- | AJAX   | 7 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | CANCEL| NONE MADE
 35| - |C-1000043C| AJAX   | 7 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | CANCEL|
 35| 1 |C-1000043C| NATIONAL|7 | 50 |7d12'| 14.1 | 50   | SHIPS | OBS.  | ZEISS TYPE
 36| - | 526584-S | B & L  | 10| 50 |7d10'| 14.5 | 77   | ORD.  |EXPMTL.| SANDCAST BODIES
 37| 0 | 254211-O | N.G.F. | 9 | 63 |5d42'| 13.5 | 78.4 | ORD.  | CURR. | MK 13 MODIFIED OBJECTIVE
 38| - | 30175-C  | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 10.7 | ---- | ORD.  | CURR. | PRESSURE PROOF
 39| 0 | 30297-C  | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 16   | ---- | ORD.  | CURR. | MK1 MOD2 WITH RETICLE
 39| 1 | 30326-C  | B & L  | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 16   | ---- | ORD.  | CURR. | MK 28 WITH RETICLE
 40| - | -------- | ANCHOR | 7 | 50 |7d10'| 14.9 | 75   | MARINE| ----- | MK 32 WITH RETICLE
 41| - | 30257-C  | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | AERO  | CURR. | WIDE FIELD
 41| - | -------- | B & L  | 7 | 50 | 10  | 19   | ---- | AERO  | CURR. | RUBBER EYEGUARD
 42| - | -------- | PIONEER| 7 | 50 | 10  | 14   | 70   | AERO  | CURR. | MIRROR PORRO REFLECTORS
 43| - | -------- |KOLLSMAN| 6 | 42 |11d50'|20   | ---- | AERO  | CURR. |
 44| - | -------- |KOLLSMAN| 7 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | CURR. |
 45| - | -------- | HAYWARD| 7 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | SHIPS | CURR. | NEW DESIGN
 46| - | -------- | B & L  | 7 | 50 | --- | ---- | ---- | MARINE| CURR. | MK 28 WITH RETICLE
 47| - | -------- | B & L  | 6 | 50 | --- | 27   | ---- | ORD.  | CURR. | PRESSURE PROOF SUBMARINE


GENERAL ARRANGEMENT NUMBERS, FOUND ON CUTAWAY VIEW BLUEPRINTS, WERE USED AS IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS UNTIL REPLACED BY FEDERAL STOCK NUMBERS.
THREE VIEWS WERE PROVIDED FOR EACH INSTRUMENT; THE OUTLINE VIEW (SURFACE), THE GENERAL ARRANGEMENT, AND THE OPTICAL ARRANGEMENT.
IN GENERAL ARRANGEMENT NUMBERS, S = BU SHIPS DRAWING, O = BU ORD DRAWING, C = CUSTOMER'S DRAWING.
STATUS:  CURRENT, OBSOLETE, EXPERIMENTAL, CANCELLED.
CONTRACTORS:   B & L = BAUSCH & LOMB.    O.F.S. = OPTICAL & FILM SUPPLY.    N.G.F. = NAVAL GUN FACTORY.
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Hitman, did I get all the settings right in cameras.dat? I just want to make sure I implemented your mod entirely correct.
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"Until something changes with the game's coding (hopefully with SH5) RFB (and the future RUB) will continue to defer to the latter choice. Trust me, I want a more realistic plotting system as much as you guys, but we can only work with the game engine's coding so much."

If this mean no contact updates then RFB 2.0 and I must part company. I will have to stay with 1.5 or hack this thing myself. Having to plot my own contacts and sail the boat while there are supposed to be 7 other officers aboard is just as unrealistic as the 'too much information' situation with updated plots.
Either way, I'd like to be one to decide if I want them or not but it's your mod and if you are taking the 'love it leave it approach', 2.0 is in my recycle bin.
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Thanks for the hard work and dedication. I really appreciate what you do.

I will stick with 1.52 though, because forcing the Map Contacts to be "Off" changes my gaming experience from "somewhat realistic but still fun" to "The whole Crew is dead and i have to do several things simultaneously."
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I'll give some thought to re-implementing the chart contacts. You guys do have some convincing arguments as to why I should put them back in.
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Just finished my first patrol in RFB 2.0(along with RSRD) , like the mod overall, looks good and all.Having an issue that did take away from gameplay.

For some reason, when the radar is, the conning tower free cam lags constantly, the PPI scope moves very slow, not normal.This does not happen in the control room or when on bridge with SJ radar on, only when in conning tower and SJ radar is on.Without contacts and with radar so slow, tracking target on radar is impossible, thus taking away from game BIG time.Anyone else having this issue?

Doubt its my PC, has always ran SH 4 and every other super mod just fine.


On patrol off Palau Islands, finally got a contact on radar at night but lost it since couldnt track due to the lag when radar is on.
This is the only major tech issue ive encountered so far.

Only gameplay issues are not having a man on the wheel in conning tower instead of control room(everything ive read, steersman used the conning tower wheel unless able) and no bow planesmen.But these are minor.
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Downloading 2.0 again, thanks for the hard work and quick fix guys.

As far as no map contacts, well i will try it, will be pain not being able to have a "display" for air contacts but will manage.

Perhaps someone out there could whip up a mod for RFB 2.0 that brings back map contacts but in the fashion of TMO, the small black dots instead of the stock style silhouettes.Just a thought.
There is one called TMO_Plot, I downloaded it from this sight last night.
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