Dud hit dud dud dud dud dud hit dud dud dud dud dud dud hit dud

Inner Sound · 06-29-09, 10:22 AM

Guess what this thread's about?

About a week into the Pacific war, playing TMO, harbour full of sitting ducks, lovely dark night.

Torps set to shallow, slow and contact. Cruised around at periscope depth for hours using up every bow torp, couldn't use sterns due to a well-placed bomb.

4000 tons and no medals for anyone. And yet curiously satisfying to even come away with that. But I've loaded up with Mk10s for current patrol. Not sure I'm ready to go to manual targetting yet !

Question: Is the lack of harbour response (there was 3 patrol boats sitting there) a constant in the game, or does something more start to happen as the war proceeds?

Rockin Robbins · 06-29-09, 10:24 AM

Hehehehehehehehe!!!! Ain't TMO grand? We had real cruises where every torpedo was a dud and the boat came home fuming mad but with a big goose egg to show for the cruise.

If harbor patrol craft are at anchor, they might not get underway. If they are merely stopped they'll fire up and come after you if they survive the first spread.

Sailor Steve · 06-29-09, 10:32 AM

I'm sorry to contradict you both, but our torpedoes are the best in the world, and your superiors advise you to stop making excuses for poor shooting. This kind of talk is bad for the morale of the men who serve under you.

Akula4745 · 06-29-09, 10:41 AM

LOL - welcome to my nightmare!! Dud after dud after dud...

Task Force · 06-29-09, 10:44 AM

yep, the greatness of the Dud syndrome... lol

AVGWarhawk · 06-29-09, 10:46 AM

You're getting a dud, dude

Task Force · 06-29-09, 10:48 AM

lol.

yep, when in a sub the sound of metal hitting the hull of a ship isnt good. (good for the ships crew though, im sure they liked it.)

sunvalleyslim · 06-29-09, 10:53 AM

Right there with you on the duds....can sure make for a frustrating patrol............ARRRRRRRGH....

SteamWake · 06-29-09, 11:14 AM

Heres a few tips that may or may not help with duds.

1.) Forget magnetic triggers they just dont work right. Use impact

2.) Dont use 'fast' settings, get closer and use slow.

3.) Set the torps to run as shallow as they can and again use impact triggers.

4.) Dont strive for that perfect 90 degree impact. A little off angle will be much more sucessful.

-------->| doink ------->/ kaboom

Your still going to get duds and yes Mk10's are more reliable.

Oh and on the lack of reaction from the anchored ships, yes this is par for the course. They are uhhhh not under steam :rotfl:

Stealhead · 06-29-09, 11:22 AM

With pre mid 1943 mk14 try to go for a hit that glances the ships hull rather than the normaly ideal 90 or close to it AOB -l. The pistols where getting crushed from solid AOB hits and not going off.You had all the anti dud tricks except going for glancing blows.

Inner Sound · 06-29-09, 11:28 AM

Only two or three of those torps were fired square on. And one of those actually scored the tonnage. I wonder if anyone knows if the game takes account of the angle?

AVGWarhawk · 06-29-09, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inner Sound

Only two or three of those torps were fired square on. And one of those actually scored the tonnage. I wonder if anyone knows if the game takes account of the angle?

Yes, sometimes the torp will bounce off if the angle is bad.

Water state at the time of firing is also taken into account.

Inner Sound · 06-29-09, 11:57 AM

Water state? You mean surface roughage makes them run awry? Aw jeez.

SteamWake · 06-29-09, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inner Sound

Water state? You mean surface roughage makes them run awry? Aw jeez.

Mk14's set to run fast and shallow with magnetic triggers will often prematurely detonate.

The rough water doesent really seem to affect their 'flight path' in fact Ive seen them at times literally fly through the air inbetween the troughs of the waves.

Stormende · 06-29-09, 04:10 PM

Have anyone tested this: I found that if I fire 2 torps they will score hits but if I fire 3 or 4 then 2 of them will be duds. I have tried it several times and it is some kind of rule. Anyone have checked this? TMO, FSB is random and I mean RANDOM btw.

06-29-09, 10:22 AM	#1
Inner Sound Sparky Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 152 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Dud hit dud dud dud dud dud hit dud dud dud dud dud dud hit dud Guess what this thread's about? About a week into the Pacific war, playing TMO, harbour full of sitting ducks, lovely dark night. Torps set to shallow, slow and contact. Cruised around at periscope depth for hours using up every bow torp, couldn't use sterns due to a well-placed bomb. 4000 tons and no medals for anyone. And yet curiously satisfying to even come away with that. But I've loaded up with Mk10s for current patrol. Not sure I'm ready to go to manual targetting yet ! Question: Is the lack of harbour response (there was 3 patrol boats sitting there) a constant in the game, or does something more start to happen as the war proceeds?

06-29-09, 10:24 AM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Hehehehehehehehe!!!! Ain't TMO grand? We had real cruises where every torpedo was a dud and the boat came home fuming mad but with a big goose egg to show for the cruise. If harbor patrol craft are at anchor, they might not get underway. If they are merely stopped they'll fire up and come after you if they survive the first spread. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

06-29-09, 10:32 AM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm sorry to contradict you both, but our torpedoes are the best in the world, and your superiors advise you to stop making excuses for poor shooting. This kind of talk is bad for the morale of the men who serve under you. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-29-09, 10:41 AM	#4
Akula4745 Convicted Ship Killer Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Just out of sight... plotting your course and speed Posts: 846 Downloads: 371 Uploads: 1	LOL - welcome to my nightmare!! Dud after dud after dud... __________________ Akula4745 "If you sit by the river long enough... the body of your enemy will float by -- SunTzu"

06-29-09, 10:44 AM	#5
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	yep, the greatness of the Dud syndrome... lol __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

06-29-09, 10:46 AM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	You're getting a dud, dude __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

06-29-09, 10:48 AM	#7
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	lol. yep, when in a sub the sound of metal hitting the hull of a ship isnt good. (good for the ships crew though, im sure they liked it.) __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

06-29-09, 10:53 AM	#8
sunvalleyslim Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	Right there with you on the duds....can sure make for a frustrating patrol............ARRRRRRRGH.... __________________ Crew member/ decommission member TM2(SS)(SD) 3/68-7/70 DIESEL BOATS FOREVER USS SEGUNDO (SS398)

06-29-09, 11:14 AM	#9
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Heres a few tips that may or may not help with duds. 1.) Forget magnetic triggers they just dont work right. Use impact 2.) Dont use 'fast' settings, get closer and use slow. 3.) Set the torps to run as shallow as they can and again use impact triggers. 4.) Dont strive for that perfect 90 degree impact. A little off angle will be much more sucessful. -------->\| doink ------->/ kaboom Your still going to get duds and yes Mk10's are more reliable. Oh and on the lack of reaction from the anchored ships, yes this is par for the course. They are uhhhh not under steam :rotfl: __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

06-29-09, 11:22 AM	#10
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	With pre mid 1943 mk14 try to go for a hit that glances the ships hull rather than the normaly ideal 90 or close to it AOB -l. The pistols where getting crushed from solid AOB hits and not going off.You had all the anti dud tricks except going for glancing blows.

06-29-09, 11:28 AM	#11
Inner Sound Sparky Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 152 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Only two or three of those torps were fired square on. And one of those actually scored the tonnage. I wonder if anyone knows if the game takes account of the angle?

06-29-09, 11:57 AM	#13
Inner Sound Sparky Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 152 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Water state? You mean surface roughage makes them run awry? Aw jeez.

06-29-09, 04:10 PM	#15
Stormende Soundman Join Date: May 2009 Location: México, DF. Posts: 146 Downloads: 716 Uploads: 1	Have anyone tested Have anyone tested this: I found that if I fire 2 torps they will score hits but if I fire 3 or 4 then 2 of them will be duds. I have tried it several times and it is some kind of rule. Anyone have checked this? TMO, FSB is random and I mean RANDOM btw.