Unable to pass exam 5 (GWx mod installed)

Incendio · 02-01-16, 10:45 PM

Hello subsimmers!

I am new in this community and indeed in Silent Hunter 3. Well, I have sh3 bought from steam and I downloaded Grey Wolves mod.

With this mod I am making all the exams in Naval Academy and now I have excellent in 1,2,3 and 4 but I am unable to pass the 5th exam convoy attack. My strategy is the following: up periscope, manual torpedo to the first destroyer, I am able to destroy it in one shot, then manual targeting to the largest merchant, two torpedos, I am able to destroy It (sums up to 6700 tons) but now I am unable to pass the exam because the other destroyer pursues me
and no matter where I go , It always hunts me. When I sink the largest merchant (close to the first destroyer) I dive and try to flee from the other destroyer but the point is that this destroyer always hunts me. I tried to sink this b***h but I can´t because It moves too fast and any torpedo can hit it.

Any tips to get rid off the back destroyer would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Aktungbby · 02-01-16, 10:53 PM

Incendio!

HW3 · 02-02-16, 01:09 AM

Welcome Aboard!

ivanov.ruslan · 02-02-16, 01:44 AM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=222917
Well, if more difficult here easiest way

And go on a mission There you will learn ..

Good hunting!

P.p look this topic http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=217659

For me, the chance to hit the destroyer when it is behind you is small, although I have done it, or too far or too close,all the while he'll bombarded with lead
The most vulnerable the moment when they have passed over you and unfold a new attack at the time of turning them left and right, but you must follow a hydrophone

Jimbuna · 02-02-16, 06:32 AM

Welcome to the GWXperience Incendio

Incendio · 02-02-16, 10:03 AM

Thank you for your welcome!.

I do not want to use tricks. I was able to pass excellent with up to 13000 tons sunk, I only left 1 small tanker because I had not enough torpedoes. What I did is 1 torpedo to the first destroyer, 2 torpedos to the largest merchant, down periscope, dive and escape turn back full ahead, up periscope, the back destroyer is persecuting me, aft torpedo (V) and I hit It in 180 degrees, luckily this was enough to sink It. However, i did not use any reference and I depended in the luck, I needed 5 attempts. I do not know how to use hydroscope, is there any tutorial inside the game that explains how to use It?

Thank you again.

siege00 · 02-03-16, 02:46 PM

There are some hydrophone targeting tutorials on youtube that may help you ( ), but personally I've found escaping and avoiding destroyers to be far easier than sinking them. The hydrophone will help you with a general range and direction of all contacts. You can set your sonar officer to track the nearest warship which will help you know where they are in relation to your ship. Then it's the cat and mouse game.

The video I linked is really a good one and there are others, but the learning curve for hydrophone warfare can be pretty high.

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Incendio · 02-03-16, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siege00

There are some hydrophone targeting tutorials on youtube that may help you ( ), but personally I've found escaping and avoiding destroyers to be far easier than sinking them. The hydrophone will help you with a general range and direction of all contacts. You can set your sonar officer to track the nearest warship which will help you know where they are in relation to your ship. Then it's the cat and mouse game.

The video I linked is really a good one and there are others, but the learning curve for hydrophone warfare can be pretty high.

I find it tedious

. How do you escape from destructors? What strategy and route do you use?

siege00 · 02-03-16, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Incendio

I find it tedious

. How do you escape from destructors? What strategy and route do you use?

Actually for me, the easiest way is to be out of the area before they get there. Example, when you launch your attack, don't stay there and watch until the torpedoes hit. Pick a direction, into the convoy preferably, or ahead of the convoy. If you wait until the convoy is hit, or your torpedoes are spotted, you'll have a hard time clearing the area.

Then it's a cat and mouse game. When they are on top of you depth charging, run for a short period of time. Engage silent running if they are close and listening (ie. not pinging). I don't have it down to a science so others may be able to give better advise. If they are coming toward you from a specific direction though, set a course 90 degrees away from them to give you the best change of initial evasion.

You're going to have to experiment though, and that's part of the fun. There's no single way, and what works one time might not work the next.

siege00 · 02-03-16, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siege00

Actually for me, the easiest way is to be out of the area before they get there. Example, when you launch your attack, don't stay there and watch until the torpedoes hit. Pick a direction, into the convoy preferably, or ahead of the convoy. If you wait until the convoy is hit, or your torpedoes are spotted, you'll have a hard time clearing the area.

Then it's a cat and mouse game. When they are on top of you depth charging, run for a short period of time. Engage silent running if they are close and listening (ie. not pinging). I don't have it down to a science so others may be able to give better advise. If they are coming toward you from a specific direction though, set a course 90 degrees away from them to give you the best change of initial evasion.

You're going to have to experiment though, and that's part of the fun. There's no single way, and what works one time might not work the next.

Also, they'll tend to search for you for around 20-30 mins if I'm remembering correctly, from the last time they had contact with you. You'll know their not after you anymore when they return to their initial course.

Incendio · 02-04-16, 08:44 PM

I am still unsuccessful so I will give you details. I am attempting to sink the leading destroyer (the first heading ship) and I sink it with only one torpedo (I). then, I shot 2 torpedos, II and IV simultaneously, to the largest merchant. Then I take a look and the destroyer at the back is starting heading to hunt me so I dive and escape full ahead in the same direction I had by default (but I tried other headings) but the destroyer finally sinks my submarine. I tried to dive at 25 meters, even 40 meters and 60 meters of depth but depth charges damage severely the submarine, I tried to repair but I can´t. When I hear the engines of the destroyer, I try to run in silent mode but It doesn´t matter how much time I am under water, the destroyer never give up, it´s a pain in the ass.

I guess I spend too much time trying to sink two ships in one attempt without diving and therefore the hunt is inevitable. Damn It! GWx is really hard in this exam!. I have just seen a couple of videos in youtube that run the game with vanilla and look very easy to pass with deck gun but with GWx I don´t have any ammunition in deck gun. What can I do to be invisible to radar´s destroyers?

siege00 · 02-04-16, 09:10 PM

GWX ist nicht einfach herr Kaleun.

It's not easy. When you fire your torpedoes, immediately leave the area at a good speed. If you go too fast he'll hear you, too slow and you won't be able to get out of the area. He may hear you anyway.

When you hear his engines, he's pretty much on top of you. All ahead flank, change direction to 90 degrees of his course and change depth by 20+ meters. You don't want to be under him at a known depth when he starts dropping depth charges or you want to at least be able to get out from under him. Maybe 2 minutes at flank speed then back to slow, maybe even silent running. Don't forget to have the sonar operator give you updates, that way you'll always know the enemies position in relation to your own. If he starts pinging, still try to escape, but when he stops, change direction and depth. If he's on top of you dropping depth charges, go to flank again and evade.

It once took me 2 hours to get away from a destroyer. They can be deadly, and they'll hunt you as long as they can hear your engine, or get you on sonar with pings. If you can get behind one, then it'll have a very hard time hearing you.

Takes lots of patience, practice, and luck. Also don't feel you have to do all of the tutorials to completion before you start a campaign. In campaigns starting in 1939, you won't run into any destroyers if you don't want to. Then after you have some experience, you can go back and try the convoy mission again. Basically I'm saying don't let that mission stop you from experiencing the rest of the game.

One campaign I ran, 4 months of time in game before I came across a convoy that had destroyer escorts. By that time, I was able to choose a good attack location and be clear before the destroyer was there to search for me.

Good luck!

CaptBones · 02-05-16, 05:30 AM

My suggestion - forget about him and concentrate on sinking the merchant ships first.

The Naval Academy training convoy has two escorts, a Destroyer leading and an ASW trawler following. Sinking the DD is a good idea, that takes out your most capable opponent. The ASW trawler does not have active SONAR/ASDIC, he only has passive sonar. You will be detected at the start by the tracks of the torpedoes you've fired. And, if you leave the periscope up for "sightseeing" they will all see it...make short observations and use slow speed; it's your engine/propeller noise that the Trawler will use to accurately locate you and attack.

Start your attack the same way you've been doing, sink the DD with one eel and then the C-2 freighter with a 2-torpedo salvo. Stay at periscope depth and use minimum speed to position to take out the first of the two tramp steamers with the stern tube and the tanker with a forward tube shot. Then the trick is to maneuver as necessary to line up for a bow tube shot at the second small steamer; that's when it gets interesting, playing cat & mouse with the Trawler while lining up for a good shot at the freighter.

The thing to keep in mind with the ASW Trawler is that he can only get an accurate location by hearing you or seeing your periscope. If he's got an accurate position and is making an attack run, use "Flank" with rudder amidships to gain speed and then go to silent running and change course and depth while you're "coasting down".

I've used the last small freighter as "bait" a few times to get the Trawler in a good position...about 600-700m ahead of me (running at silent speed) and torpedoed him. After that, you can reload tubes and surface to "leisurely" pursue the last freighter. I've also used myself as "bait" a few times; after taking out the lead DD, leave the scope up to get the Trawler lined up dead ahead (or astern) of me in an attack run and put a "down the throat" shot into him at 600m. Then the merchant ships are all sitting ducks.

Practice makes perfect...sink 'em all!

Incendio · 02-05-16, 07:04 PM

Exactly, my problem is that ASW Trawler. I hate to be so annoying, It´s not my intention but unfortunately I am still unsuccessful and I tried 3 or 4 times again, it´s so frustrating...

I will give you details about what I am doing now...

Attempt 1: I read a good tutorial somewhere else about sonars and their range so I tried the following:

1) Up periscope to 13 meters, lock to leading destroyer, select torpedo I with dial "T", manual targeting (Manual entry toggle button) and "Target speed input" to 13 Vg / Std (good angle), I wait and shot 1 torpedo to leading destroyer, then she's going down.

2) Unlock periscope, lock periscope in the largest merchant (4800 tons as I remember), again manual targeting and target speed input, dial "S" Salvo torpedoes II and IV, if I have luck, she's going down or is getting slowing down.

3) Down periscope, I try to escape to the right (full ahead) and I dive as fast as I can to 80-100 meters. I put propellers in silent run mode. When I hear depth charges, I stop engines and wait until ASW trawler give up, then she goes to the last tanker and I take advantage, I put propellers to flank and go to periscope depth. Here it´s the big problem, the convoy is far at the right so I try to reach the merchants at 8 knots (flank) and again the nightmare, the ASW motherf... is persecuting me again even if I didn´t up the periscope. I understand, Captbones, that the reason is because the noise of the propellers but otherwise how can I reach the convoy? I am so confused

Attempt 2: Trying to follow Captbones tips...

1) and 2) the same as Attempt 1.

3) The same as Attempt 1 but instead of diving to 80-100 meters, I tried to put propellers in silent mode and aheading slow at periscope depth. It seems that ASW is confused and she really doesn´t know where I am, but again, I have the same problem because I am so behind that the convoy I can´t reach merchants in a good position. My solution: put propellers at flank and try to reach the convoy but the motherf.... ASW seems to hear the propellers and is annoying me again like a disturbing fly (midge) and I give up the exam.

Well, that´s all. Despite I am stuck in this exam (I pretend to make a good exam to start missions), the game is amazing and I am enjoying it despite annoying destructors.

PS. I think the next time I will upload a video to youtube to see better what I am trying to do.

02-01-16, 10:45 PM	#1
Incendio Watch Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 24 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Unable to pass exam 5 (GWx mod installed) Hello subsimmers! I am new in this community and indeed in Silent Hunter 3. Well, I have sh3 bought from steam and I downloaded Grey Wolves mod. With this mod I am making all the exams in Naval Academy and now I have excellent in 1,2,3 and 4 but I am unable to pass the 5th exam convoy attack. My strategy is the following: up periscope, manual torpedo to the first destroyer, I am able to destroy it in one shot, then manual targeting to the largest merchant, two torpedos, I am able to destroy It (sums up to 6700 tons) but now I am unable to pass the exam because the other destroyer pursues me and no matter where I go , It always hunts me. When I sink the largest merchant (close to the first destroyer) I dive and try to flee from the other destroyer but the point is that this destroyer always hunts me. I tried to sink this b***h but I can´t because It moves too fast and any torpedo can hit it. Any tips to get rid off the back destroyer would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

02-01-16, 10:53 PM	#2
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02-02-16, 01:44 AM	#4
ivanov.ruslan The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pleven,BG Posts: 1,577 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 0	http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=222917 Well, if more difficult here easiest way And go on a mission There you will learn .. Good hunting! P.p look this topic http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=217659 For me, the chance to hit the destroyer when it is behind you is small, although I have done it, or too far or too close,all the while he'll bombarded with lead The most vulnerable the moment when they have passed over you and unfold a new attack at the time of turning them left and right, but you must follow a hydrophone Last edited by ivanov.ruslan; 02-02-16 at 03:26 AM.

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02-02-16, 10:03 AM	#6
Incendio Watch Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 24 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Thank you for your welcome!. I do not want to use tricks. I was able to pass excellent with up to 13000 tons sunk, I only left 1 small tanker because I had not enough torpedoes. What I did is 1 torpedo to the first destroyer, 2 torpedos to the largest merchant, down periscope, dive and escape turn back full ahead, up periscope, the back destroyer is persecuting me, aft torpedo (V) and I hit It in 180 degrees, luckily this was enough to sink It. However, i did not use any reference and I depended in the luck, I needed 5 attempts. I do not know how to use hydroscope, is there any tutorial inside the game that explains how to use It? Thank you again.

02-03-16, 02:46 PM	#7
siege00 Officer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: USA Posts: 237 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 0	There are some hydrophone targeting tutorials on youtube that may help you ( ), but personally I've found escaping and avoiding destroyers to be far easier than sinking them. The hydrophone will help you with a general range and direction of all contacts. You can set your sonar officer to track the nearest warship which will help you know where they are in relation to your ship. Then it's the cat and mouse game. The video I linked is really a good one and there are others, but the learning curve for hydrophone warfare can be pretty high.

02-03-16, 02:56 PM	#8
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02-04-16, 08:44 PM	#12
Incendio Watch Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 24 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	I am still unsuccessful so I will give you details. I am attempting to sink the leading destroyer (the first heading ship) and I sink it with only one torpedo (I). then, I shot 2 torpedos, II and IV simultaneously, to the largest merchant. Then I take a look and the destroyer at the back is starting heading to hunt me so I dive and escape full ahead in the same direction I had by default (but I tried other headings) but the destroyer finally sinks my submarine. I tried to dive at 25 meters, even 40 meters and 60 meters of depth but depth charges damage severely the submarine, I tried to repair but I can´t. When I hear the engines of the destroyer, I try to run in silent mode but It doesn´t matter how much time I am under water, the destroyer never give up, it´s a pain in the ass. I guess I spend too much time trying to sink two ships in one attempt without diving and therefore the hunt is inevitable. Damn It! GWx is really hard in this exam!. I have just seen a couple of videos in youtube that run the game with vanilla and look very easy to pass with deck gun but with GWx I don´t have any ammunition in deck gun. What can I do to be invisible to radar´s destroyers?

02-04-16, 09:10 PM	#13
siege00 Officer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: USA Posts: 237 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 0	GWX ist nicht einfach herr Kaleun. It's not easy. When you fire your torpedoes, immediately leave the area at a good speed. If you go too fast he'll hear you, too slow and you won't be able to get out of the area. He may hear you anyway. When you hear his engines, he's pretty much on top of you. All ahead flank, change direction to 90 degrees of his course and change depth by 20+ meters. You don't want to be under him at a known depth when he starts dropping depth charges or you want to at least be able to get out from under him. Maybe 2 minutes at flank speed then back to slow, maybe even silent running. Don't forget to have the sonar operator give you updates, that way you'll always know the enemies position in relation to your own. If he starts pinging, still try to escape, but when he stops, change direction and depth. If he's on top of you dropping depth charges, go to flank again and evade. It once took me 2 hours to get away from a destroyer. They can be deadly, and they'll hunt you as long as they can hear your engine, or get you on sonar with pings. If you can get behind one, then it'll have a very hard time hearing you. Takes lots of patience, practice, and luck. Also don't feel you have to do all of the tutorials to completion before you start a campaign. In campaigns starting in 1939, you won't run into any destroyers if you don't want to. Then after you have some experience, you can go back and try the convoy mission again. Basically I'm saying don't let that mission stop you from experiencing the rest of the game. One campaign I ran, 4 months of time in game before I came across a convoy that had destroyer escorts. By that time, I was able to choose a good attack location and be clear before the destroyer was there to search for me. Good luck!

02-05-16, 05:30 AM	#14
CaptBones The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Rockton, IL Posts: 274 Downloads: 208 Uploads: 0	"Convoy College" My suggestion - forget about him and concentrate on sinking the merchant ships first. The Naval Academy training convoy has two escorts, a Destroyer leading and an ASW trawler following. Sinking the DD is a good idea, that takes out your most capable opponent. The ASW trawler does not have active SONAR/ASDIC, he only has passive sonar. You will be detected at the start by the tracks of the torpedoes you've fired. And, if you leave the periscope up for "sightseeing" they will all see it...make short observations and use slow speed; it's your engine/propeller noise that the Trawler will use to accurately locate you and attack. Start your attack the same way you've been doing, sink the DD with one eel and then the C-2 freighter with a 2-torpedo salvo. Stay at periscope depth and use minimum speed to position to take out the first of the two tramp steamers with the stern tube and the tanker with a forward tube shot. Then the trick is to maneuver as necessary to line up for a bow tube shot at the second small steamer; that's when it gets interesting, playing cat & mouse with the Trawler while lining up for a good shot at the freighter. The thing to keep in mind with the ASW Trawler is that he can only get an accurate location by hearing you or seeing your periscope. If he's got an accurate position and is making an attack run, use "Flank" with rudder amidships to gain speed and then go to silent running and change course and depth while you're "coasting down". I've used the last small freighter as "bait" a few times to get the Trawler in a good position...about 600-700m ahead of me (running at silent speed) and torpedoed him. After that, you can reload tubes and surface to "leisurely" pursue the last freighter. I've also used myself as "bait" a few times; after taking out the lead DD, leave the scope up to get the Trawler lined up dead ahead (or astern) of me in an attack run and put a "down the throat" shot into him at 600m. Then the merchant ships are all sitting ducks. Practice makes perfect...sink 'em all!

02-05-16, 07:04 PM	#15
Incendio Watch Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 24 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Exactly, my problem is that ASW Trawler. I hate to be so annoying, It´s not my intention but unfortunately I am still unsuccessful and I tried 3 or 4 times again, it´s so frustrating... I will give you details about what I am doing now... Attempt 1: I read a good tutorial somewhere else about sonars and their range so I tried the following: 1) Up periscope to 13 meters, lock to leading destroyer, select torpedo I with dial "T", manual targeting (Manual entry toggle button) and "Target speed input" to 13 Vg / Std (good angle), I wait and shot 1 torpedo to leading destroyer, then she's going down. 2) Unlock periscope, lock periscope in the largest merchant (4800 tons as I remember), again manual targeting and target speed input, dial "S" Salvo torpedoes II and IV, if I have luck, she's going down or is getting slowing down. 3) Down periscope, I try to escape to the right (full ahead) and I dive as fast as I can to 80-100 meters. I put propellers in silent run mode. When I hear depth charges, I stop engines and wait until ASW trawler give up, then she goes to the last tanker and I take advantage, I put propellers to flank and go to periscope depth. Here it´s the big problem, the convoy is far at the right so I try to reach the merchants at 8 knots (flank) and again the nightmare, the ASW motherf... is persecuting me again even if I didn´t up the periscope. I understand, Captbones, that the reason is because the noise of the propellers but otherwise how can I reach the convoy? I am so confused Attempt 2: Trying to follow Captbones tips... 1) and 2) the same as Attempt 1. 3) The same as Attempt 1 but instead of diving to 80-100 meters, I tried to put propellers in silent mode and aheading slow at periscope depth. It seems that ASW is confused and she really doesn´t know where I am, but again, I have the same problem because I am so behind that the convoy I can´t reach merchants in a good position. My solution: put propellers at flank and try to reach the convoy but the motherf.... ASW seems to hear the propellers and is annoying me again like a disturbing fly (midge) and I give up the exam. Well, that´s all. Despite I am stuck in this exam (I pretend to make a good exam to start missions), the game is amazing and I am enjoying it despite annoying destructors. PS. I think the next time I will upload a video to youtube to see better what I am trying to do.