London tower block fire: Flames engulf Grenfell Tower - Page 8

mapuc · 07-07-17, 03:51 PM

After having read most of the comments in this thread about your local politicians and those with responsibility(people who are in lead of some organization or similar)

I came to think of a Danish saying "De står i kø ved håndvasken(=they are standing in queue at the washbasin. Meaning "politicians are trying to justify their actions or lack of action"

Markus

STEED · 07-08-17, 05:03 AM

Why can't politicians stop thinking about themselves for once and get on with it, these people have gone though enough hardship without some twerp of a politician more concered about their image is my tie on straight!

Jimbuna · 07-08-17, 08:27 AM

More details are now emerging.

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A series of failings that hampered the efforts of firefighters to tackle the Grenfell Tower fire and rescue the building's residents have been identified by a BBC investigation.
Crews cited low water pressure, radio problems and equipment that was either lacking or did not arrive before the fire on 14 June got out of control.
Newsnight has learned a high ladder did not arrive for more than 30 minutes.
The London Fire Brigade says it has changed its procedures since the fire.
A high ladder will now automatically be sent to a fire in a tower.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40535417

Aktungbby · 07-08-17, 08:53 AM

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A high ladder will now automatically be sent to a fire in a tower.!

Nothing bad goes outta style either!

STEED · 07-08-17, 12:21 PM

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The London Fire Brigade says it has changed its procedures since the fire.
A high ladder will now automatically be sent to a fire in a tower.

Too late, it should have been done in the first place, who made the error should be sacked.

Jimbuna · 07-09-17, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Too late, it should have been done in the first place, who made the error should be sacked.

And that is precisely what one of the main reasons for an enquiry are....to get to the truthful facts.

mapuc · 07-09-17, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

And that is precisely what one of the main reasons for an enquiry are....to get to the truthful facts.

If ain't a "controlled enquiry" meaning they have put this inquiry on its feet to calm the people and to find a politicians/other person who can be sacrificed or being the scapegoat.

Markus

Platapus · 07-09-17, 12:30 PM

Hmm we have a report of a fire in a tower. Should we send the tall ladder??

Decisions decisions

Nah, what if the fire is on the first floor. Should not take the chance of sending a tall ladder to a tall building that is on fire. The ladder might not get used!

Seriously, I can understand why a fire department would not automatically send all its equipment to a fire as they also need to maintain the capability of responding to a second fire. Sometimes there are two or more fires at the same time.

But statistically, what are the odds of two towers being on fire where the first one does not need a tall ladder and the second did? Fire tends to go up and you need to get people down.

Take the chance and send your tall ladder to the first tower that is on fire. You know that on is on fire. Why withhold a potentially critical piece of equipment on the chance that at the same time another fire might be reported?

Moonlight · 07-09-17, 01:09 PM

There's a reason why Theresa May wanted a public enquiry and not an inquest one and that's because the Government are in charge of what comes out of it and what is not.
30 or 40 years from now the true facts will emerge and how parts of it were not divulged at the time so as not to incriminate people in the know, it won't be coming out of this one I can assure you of that.

Scapegoats and cover ups go hand in glove with the Government of the day and none of us will be any the wiser for it.

STEED · 07-09-17, 02:44 PM

The whole truth will never ever come out not even after the guilty have all passed away and it's 100 years later.

fireftr18 · 07-09-17, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

More details are now emerging.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40535417

A poorly written article. It has bits of information, not really explaining anything. Too many "anonymous" sources. It reads as if they are trying to blame the fire department for something. There is some information that I know is incorrect, thus making me question the accuracy of the entire article.

STEED · 07-09-17, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fireftr18

A poorly written article. It has bits of information, not really explaining anything. Too many "anonymous" sources. It reads as if they are trying to blame the fire department for something. There is some information that I know is incorrect, thus making me question the accuracy of the entire article.

Are you suggesting the impartial BBC News that is not prejudiced for or against any particular person or side or party or anything on the whole unbiased news is telling lies?

Jimbuna · 07-10-17, 12:31 PM

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The Metropolitan Police believe there were about 255 survivors from last month's fire at Grenfell Tower.
Police say "extensive investigations" led them to conclude 350 people should have been in the Kensington tower block on the night of the blaze on 14 June.
That night, 14 residents were not in the building, leaving at least 80 people dead or missing, the Met said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40557126

Still far too early to make the above figures with any level of certainty.

Aktungbby · 07-10-17, 12:52 PM

Well: 350-14=336-255= 81...! My biggest worry is the obvious vulnerability to residents of other similarly clad buildings to terrorists. Also the high percentage of immigrant population residing in the towers is very unfortunate as they had to have come to England, in many cases to improve their lives security-wise; an awareness of the lack which is now horribly apparent. This is most distressing.

Mr Quatro · 07-10-17, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40557126

Still far too early to make the above figures with any level of certainty.

The pictures of the people waving their towels out of the bathroom windows will always be with me :

07-08-17, 05:03 AM	#107
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Why can't politicians stop thinking about themselves for once and get on with it, these people have gone though enough hardship without some twerp of a politician more concered about their image is my tie on straight! __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

07-09-17, 12:30 PM	#113
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,971 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Hmm we have a report of a fire in a tower. Should we send the tall ladder?? Decisions decisions Nah, what if the fire is on the first floor. Should not take the chance of sending a tall ladder to a tall building that is on fire. The ladder might not get used! Seriously, I can understand why a fire department would not automatically send all its equipment to a fire as they also need to maintain the capability of responding to a second fire. Sometimes there are two or more fires at the same time. But statistically, what are the odds of two towers being on fire where the first one does not need a tall ladder and the second did? Fire tends to go up and you need to get people down. Take the chance and send your tall ladder to the first tower that is on fire. You know that on is on fire. Why withhold a potentially critical piece of equipment on the chance that at the same time another fire might be reported? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-09-17, 01:09 PM	#114
Moonlight Admiral Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fookhall Copse Posts: 2,142 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 0	There's a reason why Theresa May wanted a public enquiry and not an inquest one and that's because the Government are in charge of what comes out of it and what is not. 30 or 40 years from now the true facts will emerge and how parts of it were not divulged at the time so as not to incriminate people in the know, it won't be coming out of this one I can assure you of that. Scapegoats and cover ups go hand in glove with the Government of the day and none of us will be any the wiser for it. __________________

07-09-17, 02:44 PM	#115
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The whole truth will never ever come out not even after the guilty have all passed away and it's 100 years later. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

07-10-17, 12:52 PM	#119
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,889 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	^ close enough Well: 350-14=336-255= 81...! My biggest worry is the obvious vulnerability to residents of other similarly clad buildings to terrorists. Also the high percentage of immigrant population residing in the towers is very unfortunate as they had to have come to England, in many cases to improve their lives security-wise; an awareness of the lack which is now horribly apparent. This is most distressing. __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

07-07-17, 03:51 PM	#106
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,923 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	After having read most of the comments in this thread about your local politicians and those with responsibility(people who are in lead of some organization or similar) I came to think of a Danish saying "De står i kø ved håndvasken(=they are standing in queue at the washbasin. Meaning "politicians are trying to justify their actions or lack of action" Markus