[REL] OLC Ubermod v2.4.3 for GWX 2.1 - Page 36

KapiteinP · 05-06-08, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Even in calm weather you should not get spotted first unless you're going quite fast... but you said your speed made no difference?

Indeed, I was spotted even at 1/3 fahrt. But like you wrote this is most probably due to GWX and has nothing to do with this mod. If the same situation appears again I will make a post of it in the GWX 2.1 thread.

rik007 · 05-06-08, 02:49 PM

Hi OnelifeCrises, I just started to use the supermod and I checked the threads because I'm affraid my question will be asked before but I cannot find it so I have to ask.

I noticed that me scope is being spotted earlier than in GWX. For example now the auxiliar cruiser in Happy Times finds my scope at a distance of 1,7 Km (my speed is 0 knots). Which for 1940 is a little too uber. As I checked the documentation it states that during daytime enemy ships can see the same as in GWX, give or take a tiny bit. So what can or should I expect in daylight and can I adapt this so I get GWX behavior?

onelifecrisis · 05-06-08, 03:03 PM

Well I guess there's no getting around this: I'll have to look into them in more detail. One thing I can say for sure is: OLC Ubermod sensors will never be identical to GWX 2.1 sensors. I changed colours, and colours affect sensors, so getting things identical to GWX is simply not possible. I can test for differences and if I find any I can try to "rebalance" things, but it will take time and I don't have much of that at the moment... so to those experiencing problems, all I can say for now is "like it or lump it".

What time I do have has recently been spent playing the game, for the most part, instead of modding it. I started playing with GHX 2.1 + OLC Ubermod in 9/39 and I'm now in 12/40. So far, visual sensors seem a little different to GWX but that's expected. For the most part I'm experiencing the same sort of daytime spotting as I'm used to, but controlled testing of daytime sensors isn't something I've done yet.

That's it, folks.

onelifecrisis · 05-06-08, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rik007

Hi OnelifeCrises, I just started to use the supermod and I checked the threads because I'm affraid my question will be asked before but I cannot find it so I have to ask.

I noticed that me scope is being spotted earlier than in GWX. For example now the auxiliar cruiser in Happy Times finds my scope at a distance of 1,7 Km (my speed is 0 knots). Which for 1940 is a little too uber. As I checked the documentation it states that during daytime enemy ships can see the same as in GWX, give or take a tiny bit. So what can or should I expect in daylight and can I adapt this so I get GWX behavior?

When I start up Happy Times in GWX 2.1 + OLC Ubermod, I'm already well inside visual range of the enemy (and already being fired upon) when "Not so long ago..." vanishes. So I'm not sure how you managed to get to 1.7km before being spotted!

Philipp_Thomsen · 05-06-08, 04:38 PM

The problem with those clawns is that they...

... oops... my bad... I thought that this was the "aaaaaaaaaah" thread...

onelifecrisis · 05-06-08, 05:09 PM

It's time for me to eat humble pie and apologise.

It didn't take too many controlled tests to establish that there's definitely a significant difference between GWX 2.1 (16km) sensors and OLCE2 sensors during the daytime.

I'll see what I can do to fix it.
In the meantime I'm pulling the DL from filefront.
Sorry about all of this.
OLC

Steiner88 · 05-06-08, 05:30 PM

mmmm and the zoom ? ther is missing in the periscope and guns etc.
Edit: but is a nice mod at all

onelifecrisis · 05-06-08, 06:03 PM

Just a further note, FYI, on visual sensors:
Removing sensors.cfg and sim.cfg from OLCE2 results in the same thing as I had in earlier versions of the Ubermod - daytime sensors being the same as GWX 2.1 (at least that's now confirmed with some controlled tests) and enemy ships being totally blind in "night proper" (at least until they light you up with spotlights and/or flares - then they can see you - but they won't do that until you fire at them).

rik007 · 05-06-08, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Quote:

Originally Posted by rik007

Hi OnelifeCrises, I just started to use the supermod and I checked the threads because I'm affraid my question will be asked before but I cannot find it so I have to ask.

I noticed that me scope is being spotted earlier than in GWX. For example now the auxiliar cruiser in Happy Times finds my scope at a distance of 1,7 Km (my speed is 0 knots). Which for 1940 is a little too uber. As I checked the documentation it states that during daytime enemy ships can see the same as in GWX, give or take a tiny bit. So what can or should I expect in daylight and can I adapt this so I get GWX behavior?

When I start up Happy Times in GWX 2.1 + OLC Ubermod, I'm already well inside visual range of the enemy (and already being fired upon) when "Not so long ago..." vanishes. So I'm not sure how you managed to get to 1.7km before being spotted!

I adapted the mission with SH3edit to start at periscope depth

onelifecrisis · 05-07-08, 01:05 PM

This is the same as 2.0.3 except that I've removed sensors.cfg and sim.cfg which contained my changes to visual sensor settings.

This time I've done some controlled tests and, so far, the results show OLCE2 daytime visual sensors to be more or less identical to GWX 2.1 (16km) daytime visual sensors. At night, as with earlier versions of the Ubermod which didn't change those cfg files, the enemy ships can see much worse than they can in GWX 2.1 (16km). This I've not tested as much, but initial tests suggest that in 1939 and early 1940 enemy ships are totally blind at the darkest time of night until they become aware of you (e.g. by you attacking) at which point they will illuminate you with spotlights and flares, and see you quite easily at short/medium range. In late 1940 they will start to be able to spot you at night (without the aid of spotlights and flares) in favourable conditions, and currently I'm assuming that this is due to an increase in crew veterancy.

I'm inclined to leave it at that, rather than play with sensors again and risk another sensor ******* up.

Again, I apologise for not checking this sooner.

ReallyDedPoet · 05-07-08, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

It's time for me to eat humble pie and apologise.

It takes a big person OLC to share this ^^^, hats off to you for that

Folks should take heed to this, you have put together a fine mod and have taken some criticism along the way, but have handled it well.

If folks don't appreciate your Ubermod after all of this, then they just don't get it.

RDP

Samwolf · 05-07-08, 01:51 PM

No apologies necessary. OLCE2 is a great mod and I've been able to live with any minor incompatibilities that may have cropped up. So far the only one that is "distracting" is the night of the living dead crew faces at night, but that's probably because I don't want to give up my "Fubars Crew Uniform" mod. The better sky and sea (especially the God's night light fix) far outweigh any "problems"

Wilcke · 05-07-08, 02:24 PM

Hi OLC,

Just got caught up on the latest "sensor" issues. Got a question, do we need to enable GWX 16km mod with OLC2? Yes or No is fine, I don't need to waste your time with all the details.

Thanks much! Great work!

Thanks for your answer, it was a real dumb a$$ question, but the "sensors" issue threw me for a loop, there.

Thanks!

onelifecrisis · 05-07-08, 02:26 PM

Thanks RDP
Wilcke, this is from post #1

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

OLCE2 is not compatible with any other atmosphere/environment/colour mods. OLCE2 is a complete 16km atmosphere and should be enabled instead of the GWX -16km Atmopshere mod, not as an addition to it.

LMD · 05-07-08, 03:02 PM

First of all I want to say Thank you for your GREAT mods. I like them very much and hope to see your future mods

Now I have 2 little questions which I want you to help me with.
1. When i downloaded OLC Ubermod 2.1 and unpacked it well there are 4 folders. 3 of them are the parts of your mod. But the 4th is U-boat folder and I don't know what to do with it. In the ReadMe it says only about 3 folders to activate via JSGME. What should I do with the folder "U-boat"?
2. If I understand correct this version has no double mast values? I wanted to know if you remade your manual for targeting to match this new feature or there is no necessity? Why am I asking - I decided to start using manual targeting and I read your manual for the version with double mast values. But now we don't have doubled values. So I want to know what have changed in the targeting process and is there a new manual?
Thanks a lot

05-06-08, 03:03 PM	#528
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Visual Sensors Well I guess there's no getting around this: I'll have to look into them in more detail. One thing I can say for sure is: OLC Ubermod sensors will never be identical to GWX 2.1 sensors. I changed colours, and colours affect sensors, so getting things identical to GWX is simply not possible. I can test for differences and if I find any I can try to "rebalance" things, but it will take time and I don't have much of that at the moment... so to those experiencing problems, all I can say for now is "like it or lump it". What time I do have has recently been spent playing the game, for the most part, instead of modding it. I started playing with GHX 2.1 + OLC Ubermod in 9/39 and I'm now in 12/40. So far, visual sensors seem a little different to GWX but that's expected. For the most part I'm experiencing the same sort of daytime spotting as I'm used to, but controlled testing of daytime sensors isn't something I've done yet. That's it, folks. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

05-06-08, 04:38 PM	#530
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	The problem with those clawns is that they... ... oops... my bad... I thought that this was the "aaaaaaaaaah" thread... __________________ To each his own

05-06-08, 05:09 PM	#531
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	It's time for me to eat humble pie and apologise. It didn't take too many controlled tests to establish that there's definitely a significant difference between GWX 2.1 (16km) sensors and OLCE2 sensors during the daytime. I'll see what I can do to fix it. In the meantime I'm pulling the DL from filefront. Sorry about all of this. OLC __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

05-06-08, 05:30 PM	#532
Steiner88 Watch Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Benidorm Posts: 29 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	mmmm and the zoom ? ther is missing in the periscope and guns etc. Edit: but is a nice mod at all __________________

05-06-08, 06:03 PM	#533
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Just a further note, FYI, on visual sensors: Removing sensors.cfg and sim.cfg from OLCE2 results in the same thing as I had in earlier versions of the Ubermod - daytime sensors being the same as GWX 2.1 (at least that's now confirmed with some controlled tests) and enemy ships being totally blind in "night proper" (at least until they light you up with spotlights and/or flares - then they can see you - but they won't do that until you fire at them). __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard. Last edited by onelifecrisis; 05-06-08 at 06:49 PM.

05-06-08, 02:49 PM	#527
rik007 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 714 Downloads: 117 Uploads: 0	Hi OnelifeCrises, I just started to use the supermod and I checked the threads because I'm affraid my question will be asked before but I cannot find it so I have to ask. I noticed that me scope is being spotted earlier than in GWX. For example now the auxiliar cruiser in Happy Times finds my scope at a distance of 1,7 Km (my speed is 0 knots). Which for 1940 is a little too uber. As I checked the documentation it states that during daytime enemy ships can see the same as in GWX, give or take a tiny bit. So what can or should I expect in daylight and can I adapt this so I get GWX behavior?

05-07-08, 01:05 PM	#535
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Ubermod 2.1.0 released. This is the same as 2.0.3 except that I've removed sensors.cfg and sim.cfg which contained my changes to visual sensor settings. This time I've done some controlled tests and, so far, the results show OLCE2 daytime visual sensors to be more or less identical to GWX 2.1 (16km) daytime visual sensors. At night, as with earlier versions of the Ubermod which didn't change those cfg files, the enemy ships can see much worse than they can in GWX 2.1 (16km). This I've not tested as much, but initial tests suggest that in 1939 and early 1940 enemy ships are totally blind at the darkest time of night until they become aware of you (e.g. by you attacking) at which point they will illuminate you with spotlights and flares, and see you quite easily at short/medium range. In late 1940 they will start to be able to spot you at night (without the aid of spotlights and flares) in favourable conditions, and currently I'm assuming that this is due to an increase in crew veterancy. I'm inclined to leave it at that, rather than play with sensors again and risk another sensor ******* up. Again, I apologise for not checking this sooner. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard. Last edited by onelifecrisis; 05-07-08 at 01:19 PM.

05-07-08, 01:51 PM	#537
Samwolf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Carolina, CSA Posts: 684 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	No apologies necessary. OLCE2 is a great mod and I've been able to live with any minor incompatibilities that may have cropped up. So far the only one that is "distracting" is the night of the living dead crew faces at night, but that's probably because I don't want to give up my "Fubars Crew Uniform" mod. The better sky and sea (especially the God's night light fix) far outweigh any "problems" __________________ GWX 3, JSGME 2.3, Sh3 Commander 3.2 SH3 Gen 8.1, Water Stream for U-boats, LRT LITE 2.0, Lifeboats for SH3

05-07-08, 02:24 PM	#538
Wilcke The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,441 Downloads: 234 Uploads: 0	Hi OLC, Just got caught up on the latest "sensor" issues. Got a question, do we need to enable GWX 16km mod with OLC2? Yes or No is fine, I don't need to waste your time with all the details. Thanks much! Great work! Thanks for your answer, it was a real dumb a$$ question, but the "sensors" issue threw me for a loop, there. Thanks! __________________ Wilcke **For the best in Fleet Boats go to: Submarine Sim Central. http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php Check out: A Brief Introduction to the Pacific Submarine War by Ducimus http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=128185 Operation Monsun plus OMEGU, the #1 ATO Solution for SH4! Signature Art by Gunfighter** Last edited by Wilcke; 05-07-08 at 04:11 PM.

05-07-08, 03:02 PM	#540
LMD Cap'n Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ukraine Posts: 82 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 0	First of all I want to say Thank you for your GREAT mods. I like them very much and hope to see your future mods Now I have 2 little questions which I want you to help me with. 1. When i downloaded OLC Ubermod 2.1 and unpacked it well there are 4 folders. 3 of them are the parts of your mod. But the 4th is U-boat folder and I don't know what to do with it. In the ReadMe it says only about 3 folders to activate via JSGME. What should I do with the folder "U-boat"? 2. If I understand correct this version has no double mast values? I wanted to know if you remade your manual for targeting to match this new feature or there is no necessity? Why am I asking - I decided to start using manual targeting and I read your manual for the version with double mast values. But now we don't have doubled values. So I want to know what have changed in the targeting process and is there a new manual? Thanks a lot