US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Exactly. At least not as the Donald perpetrated that in his tweets and speeches. Mr Clinton gets money of such an amount for speeches all the time, to pick that one out only seems to support a connection with the the "uranium deal", where there is most probably none.

All the time? Just how many half a million dollar speeches has he given to the Russians since his wife lost her political influence? I also notice that you ignore the two plus million the Russians paid to the Clintons money laundering sche..., er I mean the "Clinton Foundation". The whole thing stinks to high heaven and you know it and if they were Republicans you'd be singing a much different tune.

Where exactly did H. Clinton break the law?

When has she not? Taking bribes from foreign governments, perjury, deliberately mishandling classified documents, illegal destruction of government documents to avoid oversight, shady investment schemes, stealing furniture Heck the lhe list goes back almost 4 decades.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and you know it and if they were Republicans you'd be singing a much different tune.

And so would you. That's the problem with partisan politics.

When has she not? Taking bribes from foreign governments, perjury, deliberately mishandling classified documents, illegal destruction of government documents to avoid oversight, shady investment schemes, stealing furniture Heck the lhe list goes back almost 4 decades.

How much of that is actually proven? I don't like Hillary, but then I don't like The Donald either. The problem I have is that it's easy to divert problems with a POP (Person Of Power) by bringing up the other side, but it doesn't really address the problems that person is having, or causing. It also doesn't help at all.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And so would you. That's the problem with partisan politics.

Hey Catfish was the one who is claiming that nothing could possibly be wrong with Bill getting 500k for a speech to the Russians (and don't forget another 2.3 million to their foundation) while his wife is deciding on an issue that directly affects them. Am I supposed to just accept that because you don't think I'm unbiased enough to point it out?

How much of that is actually proven?

By her own admission and that of Comey there's enough that she should be in jail right now, and if she was a regular person (or a Republican) she would be for mishandling classified information alone.

[August]

http://theresurgent.com/breaking-tha...trump-dossier/

Were Democrats Working With Russia Against Trump? That Russian Lawyer Has Ties to Democrat Oppo Researchers

By Erick Erickson | July 13, 2017, 05:00am | @ewerickson

This will not get nearly as much coverage as Donald Trump, Jr. meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya, but it does raise the issue of whether Democrats and Russians were as collaborative as the Democrats claim the Trump team was. There is a remarkably small degree of separation between Natalia Veselnitskaya and Fusion GPS, the Democrat opposition research firm that came up with the Trump dossier.
In 2012, the Russian government started hiring hordes of Washington law firms, lobbyists, political strategist, and others to get the Magnitsky Act repealed. The act, named for Sergei Magnitsky, sought to hold the Russian government accountable for the man’s death. Mr. Magnitsky was a lawyer who uncovered massive tax fraud in Russia. He was arrested, tortured while in prison, and died.
One of the law firms hired by Russia to work on repeal is Baker Hostetler, which also has ties to Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS. According to Senator Chuck Grassley, who wants Fusion GPS officials to testify before the Senate, Fusion GPS was also involved with the Russians over the Magnitsky Act. Senator Grassley’s office notes “Despite the reported evidence of their work on behalf of Russian interests, neither Fusion GPS nor Akhmetshin are registered as foreign agents under the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA).”
Grassley continued, “Fusion GPS was apparently simultaneously working on the unsubstantiated dossier alleging collusion between Trump presidential campaign associates and Russia” while helping Russia with the Magnitsky Act. It also appears the FBI was willing to pay Christopher Steele, the former spy, who helped Fusion GPS compile the dossier.
Now, let me quote directly from the Chuck Grassley press release on Fusion GPS with the major, relevant portions highlighted:

In 2013, the Justice Department opened a case to seize the U.S. assets of Russian-owned Prevezon Holdings, which received millions of dollars from the theft and used it to purchase real estate in New York, according to the department’s complaint. In response, Prevezon Holdings and the Kremlin launched a campaign to undermine the Magnitsky Act and discredit Magnitsky’s claims of corruption, according to a 2016 complaint by Hermitage CEO William Browder. Fusion GPS and Rinat Akhmetshin, among others, were involved in the pro-Russia campaign in 2016, which involved lobbying congressional staffers to attempt to undermine the Justice Department’s account of Magnitsky’s death and the crime he uncovered, repeal the Magnitsky Act itself, and delay efforts to expand it to countries beyond Russia, according to Browder’s complaint. Akhmetshin, a Russian immigrant, has reportedly admitted to being a “soviet counterintelligence officer,” and has a long history of lobbying the U.S. government for pro-Russia matters. Fusion GPS was reportedly tasked with generating negative press coverage of Browder and Hermitage.

You know who else worked for Preveson Holdings? Natalia Veselnitskaya.

According to Russian propaganda outlet Sputnik News, Veselnitskaya had “evidence showing that the grounds for the Magnitsky Act are based on lies perpetuated by UK millionaire of US origin William Browder.”
In addition to working for Prevezon Holdings and working against William Browder, just like Fusion GPS was doing, Veselnitskaya also had dealings with Rinat Akhmetshin, the founder of the Human Rights Accountability Global Initiative Foundation

Oh yeah, things are sure getting interesting!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

Am I supposed to just accept that because you don't think I'm unbiased enough to point it out?

Not at all. That said, the fact that everything said about Trump gets turned around to be about some Democrat or another and the idea that every accusation against Trump must be because of some Democrat's sour grapes does indeed show a bias.

By her own admission and that of Comey there's enough that she should be in jail right now, and if she was a regular person (or a Republican) she would be for mishandling classified information alone.

I agree that's true. As you pointed out, if Bill and Hillary were Republicans the Democrats would be all over her. My point was that if they were Republican you would be defending them right now. That's how obvious the bias is.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

All this just shows one thing: people will believe what they want to believe.

I read a paper about Confirmation Bias. Nothing I did not already know.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I read a paper about Confirmation Bias. Nothing I did not already know.

Haha, love it.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

My point was that if they were Republican you would be defending them right now. That's how obvious the bias is.

Well then you are making an incorrect assumption Steve. I'd never defend an anti-gun politician regardless of their party.

[Mr Quatro]

What do y'all think will happen when the FBI is finished investigating the Russian/election scandal (no matter whose names are on the list)?

Plus how long do you think the FBI is going to take in it's investigation before they report to the US Congress?


How long will the special counsel’s investigation of Russia take? Possibly years.

Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein’s appointment of former FBI director Robert Mueller to act as special counsel investigating Russian meddling into the 2016 election is an unexpected development in the issue that’s roiled the early days of Donald Trump’s administration. While it’s also a relatively unusual step in recent history, we do know one thing about it: The odds are good that it will take a while.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c64e418b8f1b

[Platapus]

I hope it takes as long as it takes to do it right.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I hope it takes as long as it takes to do it right.

I guess that depends on what your (actually their) definition of "it" is.

If "it" is just to keep the administration hamstrung with potential legal troubles throughout it's term of office then the sooner we get this dog and pony show over the better. If here is something actually there then I need more than just the innuendo and dark implications we've gotten so far if they expect me stay patient about it.

[Platapus]

That's why it is an investigation -- to find evidence.

If there were already evidence, we would be in Impeachment.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

That's why it is an investigation -- to find evidence.

If there were already evidence, we would be in Impeachment.

It would be nice if it actually worked that way but Democrats have already introduced articles of impeachment.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ho...rticle/2628428

[August]

This was interesting. Given the source one might think that someone has not gotten with the program but still it illustrates the hysteria with which Trumps enemies operate. You will probably recognize a few of the meme's that were posted by folks on this forum.

http://www.snopes.com/2017/07/12/trump-lies/

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

I guess that depends on what your (actually their) definition of "it" is.

If "it" is just to keep the administration hamstrung with potential legal troubles throughout it's term of office then the sooner we get this dog and pony show over the better. If here is something actually there then I need more than just the innuendo and dark implications we've gotten so far if they expect me stay patient about it.

I seem to recall you liking a hamstrung government during the last administration.