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lurker_hlb3 · 08-14-08, 06:11 PM

Beta 4 is up. More changes / More fixes

See first post for download link

Orion2012 · 08-14-08, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

Beta 4 is up. More changes / More fixes

See first post for download link

Will download now Lurker, but out where do you find time to play the game??

Will-Rommel · 08-15-08, 02:24 AM

The planes seems a bit too effective, let me explain :

As soon as my watchers spot it, it is too close to my u-boat for me to dive, even if i order flank speed and emergency dive. They always have time to dive on me and throw their bomb, doing me some critical shots.

Is there a way to improve the watchmens sensor or maybe tune down the plane effiency a bit?

lurker_hlb3 · 08-15-08, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Will-Rommel

The planes seems a bit too effective, let me explain :

As soon as my watchers spot it, it is too close to my u-boat for me to dive, even if i order flank speed and emergency dive. They always have time to dive on me and throw their bomb, doing me some critical shots.

Is there a way to improve the watchmens sensor or maybe tune down the plane effiency a bit?

What time frame are you talking about ?

AntEater · 08-15-08, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Will-Rommel

The planes seems a bit too effective, let me explain :

As soon as my watchers spot it, it is too close to my u-boat for me to dive, even if i order flank speed and emergency dive. They always have time to dive on me and throw their bomb, doing me some critical shots.

Is there a way to improve the watchmens sensor or maybe tune down the plane effiency a bit?

Sounds quite realistic to me. In a 1943-45 campaign, mere survival should be the goal.

I had the problem that Sunderlands dropped no bombs on me.
Can it be that depth charges are only used on submerged targets?
I had a sunderland make 2 dummy runs on me, dropping only when I was crash diving.
Also, crash dive times are still a bit on the optimistic side.

Maybe it is just a conflict of interest. I'm for ultra-realism. Maybe we can make two versions?
One where you can happily cruise along in 1943 and sink even more ships due to your gatgets, the other where you're in the same fix as real U-Boat captains were back then.

örni · 08-15-08, 08:52 AM

I suggest it into the next version that some extra submarines should be useful:XXI; XXIB; XXIC; XI; XXVI; XXX;XXIX. I know it not plain.

http://www.u-historia.com/uhistoria/.../proyectos.htm
http://www.kbismarck.com/u-boot/utypen.htm#liste

AntEater · 08-15-08, 12:01 PM

Lol, just fell victim to my own suggestions.
Just left the US east coast in April 1942 after sinking 20.000 tons, when suddenly, out of nowhere (4096 tc) a plane came and sank me.
I'm not angry because that is the way it should be, if you have to spend daytime on the surface that close to the shore in 1942, you should get sunk.
You drive a submarine and so you should make use of that capability once in a while.

Btw, the G7E electric torpedoes have a serious depth keeping problem. Was that historic?
Ok, that is only part of the excuse, I simply forgot how to aim torpedoes without a position keeper

:rotfl:

Also, the Carribean seems to be devoid of shipping. Not finished yet or am I looking in the wrong places?

lurker_hlb3 · 08-15-08, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by örni

I suggest it into the next version that some extra submarines should be useful:XXI; XXIB; XXIC; XI; XXVI; XXX;XXIX. I know it not plain.

http://www.u-historia.com/uhistoria/.../proyectos.htm
http://www.kbismarck.com/u-boot/utypen.htm#liste

These will not be used in OM

AntEater · 08-15-08, 02:29 PM

New U-Boats require work, as 3d models and so on.
But why no XXI? The model is there as XVIII, so it should be no problem.
The rest of the bunch wasn't used anyway.
But how about including the T Class which Keltos has modified on a basis from GWX (I think) as an AI sub?

Also, there are too many T-3 tankers allready in 1940 in the convoys.
I'd rather use large modern and medium old tankers.

lurker_hlb3 · 08-15-08, 02:42 PM

For Anteater

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Maybe we can make two versions?

There will be one version only that supports all styles of play

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the Carribean seems to be devoid of shipping

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But why no XXI

They never made a "Real" combat partol

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New U-Boats require work, as 3d models and so on

I'm not a 3d Modeler, What you see is what you get.

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there are too many T-3 tankers allready in 1940 in the convoys

Maybe in the future

AntEater · 08-15-08, 03:01 PM

What a pity about the XXI
Ok, it is not a top priority anyway.
These routes indicate traffic in the carribean.
Still I spend three days in the channel between Cuba and Haiti and saw absolutely nothing.
On the Carolina coast, I had 5-6 single merchants per night!

Btw, could you make the diesel engines a little tougher?
Either that or cause the "bang you're dead" instant death
Because simply sitting around with no possibility to move is stupid.

08-15-08, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AntEater

Btw, could you make the diesel engines a little tougher?
Either that or cause the "bang you're dead" instant death
Because simply sitting around with no possibility to move is stupid.

Agree
2 times I have diesel destroyed with no repair or move

once with only 1 DC attack

Will-Rommel · 08-15-08, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AntEater

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Originally Posted by Will-Rommel

The planes seems a bit too effective, let me explain :

As soon as my watchers spot it, it is too close to my u-boat for me to dive, even if i order flank speed and emergency dive. They always have time to dive on me and throw their bomb, doing me some critical shots.

Is there a way to improve the watchmens sensor or maybe tune down the plane effiency a bit?

Sounds quite realistic to me. In a 1943-45 campaign, mere survival should be the goal.

I had the problem that Sunderlands dropped no bombs on me.
Can it be that depth charges are only used on submerged targets?
I had a sunderland make 2 dummy runs on me, dropping only when I was crash diving.
Also, crash dive times are still a bit on the optimistic side.

Maybe it is just a conflict of interest. I'm for ultra-realism. Maybe we can make two versions?
One where you can happily cruise along in 1943 and sink even more ships due to your gatgets, the other where you're in the same fix as real U-Boat captains were back then.

I'm for realism too, but we are in 1940 here, not 1945. Maybe the environmental mod 4.7 have something to do with it? It could have modified the spotting range for watchman, decreasing it marginaly and allowing the plane to sit on me before attacking.

Lurker : As soon as the ''aircraft spotted'' message pop-up, with the 3 different orders available, i hit the emergency dive option. I then proceed to flank speed. The whole process may take 5 sec maximum, but then come the plane, before the sub start to submerge.

AntEater · 08-15-08, 03:31 PM

Ok, important dive tactic:
- turn
The real ASW planes threw their charges in the swirl.
As I said, DM needs tweaking, either instant death or repairable damage.
The "immobile but not dead" is frustrating. In AOTD you could abandon ship, but in SH you can't.
Buoyancy needs to be tweaked as well. My last aircraft killed VIIC had ALL compartments fully flooded yet i could blow tanks and get to the surface
:rotfl:

I think I have an idea what is wrong with aircraft:
Can it be that small aircraft like the Anson are almost invisible? Sunderlands and such are spotted at reasonable distances while Ansons are never seen until it is too late.
That would explain the lethality of 1940 (lots of Ansons

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cgjimeneza · 08-15-08, 08:43 PM

yes, there is traffic in the caribbean...
I was playing there since the first release and while I have spent days around the lesser antilles without seeing anything, when you do find them, they are there, so tell your lookouts to look sharp, and I dont know if the real smoke mod affects visual detection by your crew but it does for "manual" looking.

I sank a ship around western approaches, and took a look around after killing it... saw smoke on the horizon, checked my chart and there was nothing there... however I steered towards it and suddenly a passenger ship was there...

so look around personally and you might find ships around.

08-15-08, 02:24 AM	#198
Will-Rommel Chief Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 320 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	The planes seems a bit too effective, let me explain : As soon as my watchers spot it, it is too close to my u-boat for me to dive, even if i order flank speed and emergency dive. They always have time to dive on me and throw their bomb, doing me some critical shots. Is there a way to improve the watchmens sensor or maybe tune down the plane effiency a bit? __________________ -Fighting is a lifestyle-

08-15-08, 12:01 PM	#202
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Lol, just fell victim to my own suggestions. Just left the US east coast in April 1942 after sinking 20.000 tons, when suddenly, out of nowhere (4096 tc) a plane came and sank me. I'm not angry because that is the way it should be, if you have to spend daytime on the surface that close to the shore in 1942, you should get sunk. You drive a submarine and so you should make use of that capability once in a while. Btw, the G7E electric torpedoes have a serious depth keeping problem. Was that historic? Ok, that is only part of the excuse, I simply forgot how to aim torpedoes without a position keeper :rotfl: Also, the Carribean seems to be devoid of shipping. Not finished yet or am I looking in the wrong places? __________________

08-15-08, 02:29 PM	#204
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	New U-Boats require work, as 3d models and so on. But why no XXI? The model is there as XVIII, so it should be no problem. The rest of the bunch wasn't used anyway. But how about including the T Class which Keltos has modified on a basis from GWX (I think) as an AI sub? Also, there are too many T-3 tankers allready in 1940 in the convoys. I'd rather use large modern and medium old tankers. __________________

08-15-08, 03:01 PM	#206
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What a pity about the XXI Ok, it is not a top priority anyway. These routes indicate traffic in the carribean. Still I spend three days in the channel between Cuba and Haiti and saw absolutely nothing. On the Carolina coast, I had 5-6 single merchants per night! Btw, could you make the diesel engines a little tougher? Either that or cause the "bang you're dead" instant death Because simply sitting around with no possibility to move is stupid. __________________ Last edited by AntEater; 08-15-08 at 03:21 PM.

08-15-08, 03:31 PM	#209
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ok, important dive tactic: - turn The real ASW planes threw their charges in the swirl. As I said, DM needs tweaking, either instant death or repairable damage. The "immobile but not dead" is frustrating. In AOTD you could abandon ship, but in SH you can't. Buoyancy needs to be tweaked as well. My last aircraft killed VIIC had ALL compartments fully flooded yet i could blow tanks and get to the surface :rotfl: I think I have an idea what is wrong with aircraft: Can it be that small aircraft like the Anson are almost invisible? Sunderlands and such are spotted at reasonable distances while Ansons are never seen until it is too late. That would explain the lethality of 1940 (lots of Ansons ) __________________ Last edited by AntEater; 08-15-08 at 04:35 PM.

08-14-08, 06:11 PM	#196
lurker_hlb3 Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Calif Posts: 2,290 Downloads: 187 Uploads: 12	Beta 4 is up. More changes / More fixes See first post for download link

08-15-08, 08:52 AM	#201
örni Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 13 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	I suggest it into the next version that some extra submarines should be useful:XXI; XXIB; XXIC; XI; XXVI; XXX;XXIX. I know it not plain. http://www.u-historia.com/uhistoria/.../proyectos.htm http://www.kbismarck.com/u-boot/utypen.htm#liste

08-15-08, 08:43 PM	#210
cgjimeneza Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 527 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	they are there yes, there is traffic in the caribbean... I was playing there since the first release and while I have spent days around the lesser antilles without seeing anything, when you do find them, they are there, so tell your lookouts to look sharp, and I dont know if the real smoke mod affects visual detection by your crew but it does for "manual" looking. I sank a ship around western approaches, and took a look around after killing it... saw smoke on the horizon, checked my chart and there was nothing there... however I steered towards it and suddenly a passenger ship was there... so look around personally and you might find ships around. __________________ Pacific Thunder Campaing VIII-Retired www.subsowespac.org "Left on their own, engineers can be dangerous"