US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[vienna]

Oops...

...He may have tipped his hand...

...is he maybe really an NK web troll/plant or maybe one of Putin's pets?...










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[August]

Originally Posted by em2nought

There's probably a jet packed with cash being offered to Dear Leader as we speak if he'll only say "Trump ruined the peace process". Hmm, where is John Kerry at the moment?

Hey isn't that a picture of the money Obama shipped to the Iranians?

[Buddahaid]

No, it's the money Trump bilked from contractors.

[Reece]

Wish it was mine!!

[Rockstar]

Could be part of that 218 billion dollar monthly surplus the Washington Times wrote about.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ory-us-budget/

[Catfish]

Iran treaty broken:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1I92JZ

Iran is said to prepare for a strike, but maybe this is only iranian propaganda..
will see how this turns out, in the end.

"Minutes before Trump’s announcement, Israel said it had instructed local authorities in the Israeli-held Golan Heights to “unlock and ready (bomb) shelters” after identifying what the military described as “irregular activity of Iranian forces in Syria.” "

"The Europeans must now scramble to decide their own course of action with Tehran. China and Russia also are signatories to the Iran deal."



But i find the Black cube deal also to be a bit.. troublesome

"The idea was that people acting for Trump would discredit those who were pivotal in selling the deal, making it easier to pull out of it.”

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Re...ar-deal-553594
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-deal-analysis

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Iran treaty broken:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1I92JZ

Iran is said to prepare for a strike, but maybe this is only iranian propaganda..
will see how this turns out, in the end.

"Minutes before Trump’s announcement, Israel said it had instructed local authorities in the Israeli-held Golan Heights to “unlock and ready (bomb) shelters” after identifying what the military described as “irregular activity of Iranian forces in Syria.” "

"The Europeans must now scramble to decide their own course of action with Tehran. China and Russia also are signatories to the Iran deal."



But i find the Black cube deal also to be a bit.. troublesome

"The idea was that people acting for Trump would discredit those who were pivotal in selling the deal, making it easier to pull out of it.”

May 14th is the 70th anniversary of the statehood of Israel ... 70 years is usually viewed a s a bible prophesy in the old testament,
plus the parliament of Israel (just a few days ago) has given a complete go ahead to wage war with Iran if necessary without any further approval.


This threat from Iran was issued a month ago, but is still a threat today.

Top Iranian cleric warns Hezbollah can raze Haifa and Tel Aviv to the ground

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-ir...to-the-ground/

More than 4,000 missiles were fired at Israel during the 34-day 2006 war, prompting massive numbers of residents to flee their homes. The conflict left 163 Israeli soldiers and civilians dead. On the Lebanese side, there were more than 1,000 dead.

Israel believes Hezbollah currently possesses approximately 120,000 missiles and rockets in Lebanon. In a future war, the IDF estimates that the Iran-backed group will launch over a thousand rockets a day at Israel.

[mapuc]

My question in all this.

Where does USA stand in this ?

I know there is a special relation between these two countries.

If Iran and/or Hezbollah does attack Israel, will USA support Israel directly or in-directly ?

Markus

[u crank]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If Iran and/or Hezbollah does attack Israel, will USA support Israel directly or in-directly ?

I don't think Iran would ever attack Israel directly. That would draw a huge response from Israel. Not sure what would happen if their proxy army, Hezbollah were to try something but I would guess it would be a similar action.

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Could be part of that 218 billion dollar monthly surplus the Washington Times wrote about.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ory-us-budget/

Not possible. Democrats claimed that no good could come of the Trump tax breaks.

[Skybird]

Big slap in Macronman's and Angie's face, can't say I am crying. EU high representative (oh those megalomianiac titles...) full of boasting words, but cannot offer any action in deeds to confront the US here. The Donald threatened sanctions on every country, including the EU'S own provinces, that does deals with Iran, and I think one by one all those companies will fall in line and leave the EU leadership standing alone in the rain.

Its the complete collapse of European wishful thinking about how to wish Iran into compliance. I think there were too many holes in that "treaty", and it allowed the Iranians to buy time - without giving up their reaching-out for the bomb. European and Obamanian Chamberlainitis was the father of the reasoning behind doing that treaty with Iran.

The EU has been shown its place- and how tiny and diplomatically weak and meaningless it is when the global big boys speak and do. Everybody, laugh out loud - all laughs are righfully on the EU.

However, I think it also is a Donaldarian bluff. I do not think that the Us is ready or willing any time soon to possibly attack Iran in strength, if need arises. And the EU is neither willing nor capable anyway. Britain is leaving, Germany's military is check mate, and France alone is both traditionally too Israel-critical and also too small in numbers as if it could bomb the bomb program out of Iran. If Iran now relaunches its porgram openly (it never was shut down I am 100% certain), it just will find the cause uif buying high tehc compnents more difficult, seeing a delay. They hoped with this now obsolete treaty to find that easier and one day suddenly suprise the world with solid facts, like Pakistan did. And the European howling over broken treaties then would havbe been meaningless anyway.

The international nuclear watchdog of the UN has been totally compromised since the reign of El Baradei, they cannot be trusted anymore, never again, and are no objective, neutral player. I couldn't care less for what they now say. That the dishes I have washed in the kitchen earlier this evening still has not fully dried, is far more important than what the watchdog has to say.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by u crank

I don't think Iran would ever attack Israel directly. That would draw a huge response from Israel. Not sure what would happen if their proxy army, Hezbollah were to try something but I would guess it would be a similar action.

Should have mentioned Syria

A Danish politician had posted a twitter where it said something about irregular Iranian activity among the Syrian border.

Edit
Have just read in an English article,
Iranian bases in Syria have been attacked.
It should have happened about 1-2 hours ago.
Markus

[Rockstar]

Nuke deal in a nutshell.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n-us.html?_r=0

More than twice the size of Texas in area, Iran poses many challenges for atomic inspectors who have to police the agreement and gain access not only to scientists, labs and factories, but also to many underground sites and military bases. Western allies say the new inspections must be far more intrusive than those in the past, given the deal’s sweeping terms as well as Iran’s history of evasions, stonewalling and illicit procurements. The principal concerns are how to detect cheating and covert sites.

The problem I've been reading are claims Iran has already been violating the agreement long before Trump took office.

I just hope they have more evidence than little toy trucks and artist renditions

[em2nought]

Too bad about that airliner full of money though. Next time we send them an airliner full of money we should put exploding dye packs in it.

[Buddahaid]

We? Them?