Night surface attack inside a convoy.......

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by suitednate

Yes they will try to ram you.

No one will try to ram you.

You can test this in single missions.... over and over and over and over and over.

No one will try to ram you.

[maillemaker]

No one will try to ram you.

You can test this in single missions.... over and over and over and over and over.

No one will try to ram you.

I thought so.

I've never seen a ship intentionally maneuver to try and ram me.

However, on very, very rare occasion, I will get a message, "Enemy is ramming us, sir!" or something like that.

Almost as rarely I get the message, "Destroyer in attack run!"

Steve

[UKönig]

I got intentionally rammed by a destroyer trying to leave the straights of gibraltar.
We (u99) were on the surface, trying to make a break for it, and we were getting pretty close too. Little Elcos harassing us, but called up reinforcements, in the form of 3 destroyer escorts. 2 V & W class, and one Tribal class, who caught us full speed broadside. Forward starboard, just before the saddle tank bulge. We flipped over in the water, like twice, (I was on the bridge at the time, watching this debacle), and the next message I got was "U-boat destroyed by collision" "You are dead, lol."
I have also been rammed by convoy merchants, my scope is up, they are aware, I'm being pinged by escorts in the area, but with so many merchants nearby, they are having a hard time getting into attack runs. Then, the nearest merchant to me will suddenly swing in my direction. Maybe that's just a programmed zig-zag and as (un)luck would have it, I was blundering across at the same moment, but the end result is the same. Damaged scope, damaged watch tower, damaged AA guns, maybe less if I spot the maneuver in time and am able to dive deeper, but it's a white knuckle ride all the way.

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Originally Posted by maillemaker

I thought so.

I've never seen a ship intentionally maneuver to try and ram me.

Don't rely on this, but I *believe* you can be hit by an enemy ship that is aware of your presence (merch or warship) if you throw yourself in front of it. Not because of any malevolent intent, but because the AI works that way.

But you can throw yourself in front of a neutral or a friendly and the AI will do crazy unrealistic stuff to prevent a collision. The AI also does crazy stuff to prevent collisions between enemy ships.

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by UKönig

I got intentionally rammed by a destroyer trying to leave the straights of gibraltar.

You got yourself run over. You were not rammed.

[UKönig]

Same end result. Might as well have been. Works for me.

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Originally Posted by UKönig

Same end result. Might as well have been. Works for me.

Not trying to be hardball about it, but it is an important distinction. People who believe merchants and warships can try to ram them will make different tactical decisions than those who know they cannot.

[captgeo]

I have had a destroyer in SH4 ram me, no doubt about it

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Originally Posted by captgeo

I have had a destroyer in SH4 ram me, no doubt about it

Great. But we are discussing SH3.

[maillemaker]

I tend to agree - you can get yourself run over, and since a destroyer is going to try and run over the top of you to drop depth chargers, it is very likely to happen if you are caught shallow.

But I don't think the AI in SH3 intentionally rams.

Steve

[UKönig]

Picture the scene:

Night, flat enough seas for d/g use, sky clear, dark.
Surfaced.
Exiting straits of gibraltar at 20 kts, next to the african coast, I mean, we're hugging the coastline so that the u-boat silhouette blends in with the background. Radar picks up incoming pulses, but brazenly, like a pirate, we try to stand our ground, so to speak.
Ahead, bearing, 345 deg, at 1000m and closing, an elco torpedo boat. He's no threat, ram him if he gets in the way. But, now 3 more shapes are closing in from the right. 2 V/W class destroyers are shelling us with artillery. 1 is at bearing 015 and about 2 km away, the other is bearing 025 and is about the same distant. The third, a C class or tribal class (i forget exactly), is running hell for leather right at us, bearing 045-050. Firing the whole time. I try to take evasive action by throwing hard lefts and rights, but it's no use. Now, I know the gig is up and I am boned either way, (surfaced or diving) but I see it through to the inevitable end. The 2 V/Ws hang back, while the Tribal lays it on, and yes, he plowed into us at 34 knots. Impact point, about where the seamen's mess is. It rolled us over in the water, like, twice, because I thought the bridge crew should have been flung all over the place, and the next message was "U-boat destroyed by collision".
But I don't know, it just seems that everytime I try to run a gun battle with destroyers, eventually, if they haven't shelled us to pieces before they get within visual range and I'm still on the surface, as a last resort, they always try to ram. If I am under, or make it under in time, then yes, down comes the hail of wasserbom. But if I stick it out on the surface, I get run into. It just seems too coincidental, that's all.

[maillemaker]

But I don't know, it just seems that everytime I try to run a gun battle with destroyers, eventually, if they haven't shelled us to pieces before they get within visual range and I'm still on the surface, as a last resort, they always try to ram. If I am under, or make it under in time, then yes, down comes the hail of wasserbom. But if I stick it out on the surface, I get run into. It just seems too coincidental, that's all.

I believe the UI is set so that the destroyers drive for your position. Sometimes they come straight in, other times they zig-zag on the way in, but at about 400 meters they drive straight in and ping.

If you are on the surface, you will be rammed. If you dive, they will depth charge.

I don't think it is an intentional "ram", it's just that the AI is programmed to run over the sub's position in preparation for depth charging. If you happen to be in the way, so much the better for them.

Steve