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[Skybird]

Communism is the endgame of socialism, when the last capitalist straw of market economy that socialism clings to and that kept it floating for some time, undeserved, has been consumed and eradicated, and so socialism drowns as well.

Socialism is a way to mean communism without wanting to be held responsible for he term.

Social market economy is a term that means socialist planned economy, without wanting to be identified with that term and being criticised.

Its all about deception. And it always ends in mass poverty and misery in which we all finally will be equal indeed, and it always ends in brutal tyranny and secret police regimes that enforce what the people finally have understood was not the way to heaven. When ideology and empty promises do not do the trick anymore to rally them around your lies, you need to use brute force to make them.

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ Hehe I think what he means is not an intentional bribed "Judas goat", but someone who does it voluntarily, because he indeed believes it is best for the people, thus generating a false... "harmony".
The "Judas" does not even take money anymore, he is brainwashed himself.

Sorry for any confusion!

I consider Mapuc not to be a goat or Judas, but a nice guy who cares for his people, friends and dotcomrades. He sees problems and wants them to be solved.
No offense, no bad intentions, no second thoughts, no cynism...

I consider him to be one of us sheeps.

I admit I deliberately used some verbal barbs in my postings before.

Originally Posted by Catfish

Capitalism is much closer to humanity, not ethical theoretical nonsense but pure plain and healthy greed (not being sarcastic here), turning out to be the best system, because in a way almost all can participate, and the general standard of living is higher than in all other systems and "...isms".

Is the wolfpack really closer to us humans than the flock? Or is this just the story, the wolves teach us?

We grow up in families - not organized like wolfpacks. We care for each other, do not exploit the weaker, do not deny a fair share - the needed share - of the joint hunt. We have a leader - a dictator - who dominates the family, but who cares for it and shares its fate. He doesn't accumulate wealth for himself, while his family suffers. What is this but socialism?

We live in communities and neighbourhoods - without robbing property or butchering each other. We accept rules to be followed, for the community to survive, to provide protection and support in times of trouble. We care for each other. Socialism!

We do have perverted neighbourhoods and perverted families - sickened by the ideology of the wolves. We are told to become happy with privatized property - wich we have to finance with the work for the wolves. A bigger car, the latest cell phone, nuke sneakers...
Work and consume are the meaning of life. Debts are necessary, to have a better education, to have better chances to work for the wolves. They have the money we need - and they happily hand it over - for interest. Here we have capitalism!

We are kept competitive for the jobs - and the wolves care for more workers than jobs - or less jobs than workers, to keep the wages low - the exploited share high.

But happiness comes with property we have learned. No job - no property. Agression is the consequence, even robbery just to survive - in the worst case.

The wolves tell us, this is our nature and we believe it. But we are sheeps, no wolves. It is their nature, not ours. They fight each other after the deer is caught - for the biggest piece. The alphas eat the most, the “middle pack” have their share, and the weak get some food stamps. And the group of the weak is growing, because the jobs are in China - and the Chinese sheep have started to fight our wolves, by hunting deer. They don't eat it, they invest it.

So we have to hunt harder. Of course our wolves want their usual growth, more deer and bigger pieces. So the middle pack is shrinking and the weak starve.

Now we ask the wolves' sheepdogs to make America great again.

[Catfish]

^ @Skybird: What you write is not so far away of what i wrote, although you chose your own or Rand's ideas of what communism is.

It is just human nature that socialism and communism have never worked, and always led to dictatorship, poverty and misery. Which is why what we see is not the theoretical part, but what it always turns out to be in practice. The theoretical part obviously does not work, in reality.
We are too egoistic, or too individual – depends on point of view.


However the theoretical part of capitalism regarding what Mises and Ayn Rand wrote is wrong as well. Theoretical capitalism with lots of small companies competing against each other and thus low prices for the people sounds good, but does not work in the long run. Because companies will always try to merge to become bigger, and have more power.

If you let them do what they want, you have monopolies, cheap printed money without backing it up, globalisation with the locusts and the side effects.

If you have some governmental control about forbidding them to merge and become monopolies, it is not free capitalism anymore. But it also is not communism.
It is pretty much what we have.

[Betonov]

Socialism worked in Yugoslavia becasue people that dind't work were shuned by the people and the state. You were not priviliged to benefits if you didn't pitched in.
That's why socialism is so venerated here and that's why I have a different mental image than the west when socialism is mentioned.

Today it's a mess. The system where everyone pitched in and everyone benefited is falling apart by people that don't pitch in and people that take more benefits than deserve.

Those who can no longer give to those who can't but those who must give to those who won't

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Capitalism is much closer to humanity, not ethical theoretical nonsense but pure plain and healthy greed (not being sarcastic here), turning out to be the best system, because in a way almost all can participate, and the general standard of living is higher than in all other systems and "...isms".

PartII

Your best system, were allmost all can participate the higher living standard, is a sophism.

We don't see the hordes of exploited for our capitalist American Way of Life. They live in India, Bangladesh, China, Cambodia...
They are our cheap workers - slaves to be payed 20 cents an hour - working under inhumane and risky conditions. The poor suffering masses are far away - and we have a high living standard. They pay us for it.

With the downfall of socialism and communism - they act more capitalistic now - a controlled capitalism - we have to face the problem of competitive ability. Our own people have to work for cheap wages now, have to work longer hours, be extremely productive, have three jobs.

Suddenly we have the poor in the middle of our high living standard. Food stamps and Hartz4. A market installed for cheap working power. Germany was paying top wages - and now we are the cheapest wages market of Europe.
Capitalism doesn't work for a majority, but for a few privileged in Europe and in the US - as it works for a few privileged in the world - Europe and the US.

We are Mr. Barrow - the western community of values - countable in Dollars and Euros. And we are doomed to die - the heart attack in inavoidable.

We fight it - even kill for it. It happened before - and now it happens again.
The actual cycle for empires to rise, shine and fall is 70 years. The Soviets matched it perfectly. The Westerners will be gone ~ 2020.

The Pharaohs ruled thousands of years, the Romans a few centuries, the Mayas less, the British even lesser, the Soviets 70 years - and the US started after the Second World War. China's turn now - 55 years maybe.

With continued progress in technology and communications, we heat the systems up faster and faster. China was growing 15% a year and they reduced the growth to 7% by design. They still do everything simultaneously what the former empires had to perform step by step.

We polluted our environment 200 years massively - they do it only 25 years - but with the same damage.

We are doomed to get rid of capitalism. We just haven't learned and accepted yet. China could make us their India, their Bangladesh.

You may not like the messenger, his whole view on our life, but that doesn't change any facts.

[Jimbuna]

Can we go back on topic or is this thread exhausted now?

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Can we go back on topic or is this thread exhausted now?

Until the next attack.
Which might be today to be honest.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

although you chose your own or Rand's ideas of what communism is.

Neither. The words I dressed it in at this opportnity, have been used many times before, by many others. Churchill for example used someting comparable.

It is just human nature that socialism and communism have never worked, and always led to dictatorship, poverty and misery.

Indeed. Any ideology that is set up against the very nature of man, that ignores it, and violates the basic essence of what motivates man, is doomed to fail. One could as well command man to stop breathing in order to control CO2 emmissions. The goal may sound reasonable. But still, it will never work.

And governments will never know what people will want to do the next moment, what their ideas will be, their drives, their real or imagined needs. As complex, if not more, is the action on a free market - billions of decisons anbd motivations and interests and skills and abilktiiues and offerings beeing balanced against each other every day. As if by magic, the market, if left to itself, balances that, and straightens out the ups and lows. But beware of a bureaucratic genius claiming to know it better and being able to forsee what the market needs, and what should be wanted, and for what price! We better kill such a rotten mind immediately, or get our sprinting shoes on and run, run, run as long as we still can, for they are trying to prevent us from escaping their rule.

[Dowly]

Shots fired in a shopping centre in Munich:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36870874

Live reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/live/xatezzbcvxxy

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Shots fired in a shopping centre in Munich:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36870874

Live reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/live/xatezzbcvxxy

Mad man or another crazy terrorist who cares, another dreadful incident.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Until the next attack.
Which might be today to be honest.

Sadly, I think you're right. Anyway, that's it from me for now.

[Skybird]

Munich. Subways stopped, people are called to stay inside and avoid streets. Currently reports of a second shooting come in, from city centre.
No confirmed info on numbers of killed people, reports vary from1 to 15 dead. Second police operation running, attacker feared to be on escape run.
Cellphone media shown right now show that it is a majlr incident and total chaos.


This is a terror attack.

[Skybird]

Unconfirmed reports coming in that there are or have been multiple shootings simultaneously at 2, 3 or more locations.

Again:
UNCONFIRMED.

https://www.reddit.com/live/xatezzbc...5-0e9397ce2b89

Wow.

[Skybird]

Police confirms they are hunting three attackers at least. Earlier, witnesses said that at the shopping mall where it started they heard shots from three different positions.

Government office of Bavaria indirectly confirms at least three dead, probably more. "Very many injured", so it is further said in its release.

Reports of a second major attack at the centre, fortunately had been triggered by false alarms only.

Witnesses in Munich say that the police is acting extremely nervously. It seems they still have no real idea of the real scale, and what is actually going on. Witnesses say they are zigzagging back and forth across the city. They got reinforcements from all of Southern Germany, and special forces of the national police.