Hilfskreuzers

Raptor1 · 03-01-08, 02:17 PM

In the 2 times i actually met my friendly Hilfskreuzer, it was flying the Greek flag, do they fly random flags or is it always the Greek flag?

Paajtor · 03-01-08, 04:50 PM

Not sure...depends on what period of the war, I guess.
Maybe it's hiding under the Greek flag?

Raptor1 · 03-01-08, 04:54 PM

Ofcourse it's hiding under the Greek flag, Nazi Germany never paid any attention to the Geneva conventions as far as i'm aware...

Just wondering if it always flies the Greek one, or does it randomly choose an Allied flag (British/Australian/American...)

I could understand if it's a static Greek flag, as the famous Atlantis flew it during her sinking...

LukeFF · 03-02-08, 01:14 AM

It always flies the Greek flag.

Raptor1 · 03-02-08, 02:07 AM

Aww, that sucks, think it could be modded to fly random flags?

LukeFF · 03-02-08, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Aww, that sucks, think it could be modded to fly random flags?

Not that I'm aware of.

elanaiba · 03-02-08, 03:59 AM

I think we managed to put the flag on the Hilfkreuzer in the ship texture.

So mod the texture, add-it via the cfg file in the roster, and you'll get a new version

Raptor1 · 03-02-08, 04:03 AM

Yeah, i thought something along these lines was possible
but i don't know much about modding SH4...

Guess ill have to start messing around with the files

LukeFF · 03-02-08, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

I think we managed to put the flag on the Hilfkreuzer in the ship texture.

So mod the texture, add-it via the cfg file in the roster, and you'll get a new version

Yep, now I see it! Nice little effect there.

elanaiba · 03-02-08, 04:59 AM

Another thing to note is that the Hilfkreuzer sometimes adds a second (fake) funnel, identical in aspect to the real one. Real practice.

I suggest reading this before passing judgement on the Hilfkreuzers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

Also, before any British subsimmers lay charges against the Germans, I suggest reading the "Master and commander" book series. Seems false flag was usual practice in those days.

Raptor1 · 03-02-08, 05:06 AM

I think there was an article in one of the Geneva conventions (Or maybe some other convention) that made the use of false flags forbidden, wheter there was such a law, it was obviously ignored by both sides...

It shouldn't be too difficult to include different models for the variants with/without the fake funnel, right?

elanaiba · 03-02-08, 05:11 AM

Not sure if I understand the question?

The Hilfkreuzer IN THE GAME changes to two funnel configuration at some point, and then back and so on. All based on the .eqp file.

Raptor1 · 03-02-08, 05:12 AM

Oh, i havn't seem them do that, or maybe i just wasn't looking

LukeFF · 03-02-08, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Another thing to note is that the Hilfkreuzer sometimes adds a second (fake) funnel, identical in aspect to the real one. Real practice.

Nice!

linerkiller · 03-03-08, 01:28 AM

[quote=Raptor1]I think there was an article in one of the Geneva conventions (Or maybe some other convention) that made the use of false flags forbidden, wheter there was such a law, it was obviously ignored by both sides...
quote] Geneva convention doesnt say nothing about that. The Maritime law allows the using of a false flag during the cruise, but the real flag have to be raised before starting any fight.
You can see this pratice in the 1960-black\white movie "Under ten flags" with Van Heflin,it's also a nice and filological film

03-01-08, 02:17 PM	#1
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Hilfskreuzers/Auxiliary Cruisers In the 2 times i actually met my friendly Hilfskreuzer, it was flying the Greek flag, do they fly random flags or is it always the Greek flag? Last edited by Raptor1; 03-01-08 at 03:55 PM.

03-01-08, 04:50 PM	#2
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,545 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	Not sure...depends on what period of the war, I guess. Maybe it's hiding under the Greek flag? __________________

03-02-08, 01:14 AM	#4
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	It always flies the Greek flag. __________________ ROW Sound Effects Contributor RFB Team Leader

03-02-08, 03:59 AM	#7
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	I think we managed to put the flag on the Hilfkreuzer in the ship texture. So mod the texture, add-it via the cfg file in the roster, and you'll get a new version __________________ With strength I burn...

03-02-08, 04:59 AM	#10
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	Another thing to note is that the Hilfkreuzer sometimes adds a second (fake) funnel, identical in aspect to the real one. Real practice. I suggest reading this before passing judgement on the Hilfkreuzers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag Also, before any British subsimmers lay charges against the Germans, I suggest reading the "Master and commander" book series. Seems false flag was usual practice in those days. __________________ With strength I burn...

03-01-08, 04:54 PM	#3
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Ofcourse it's hiding under the Greek flag, Nazi Germany never paid any attention to the Geneva conventions as far as i'm aware... Just wondering if it always flies the Greek one, or does it randomly choose an Allied flag (British/Australian/American...) I could understand if it's a static Greek flag, as the famous Atlantis flew it during her sinking...

03-02-08, 02:07 AM	#5
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Aww, that sucks, think it could be modded to fly random flags?

03-02-08, 04:03 AM	#8
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Yeah, i thought something along these lines was possible but i don't know much about modding SH4... Guess ill have to start messing around with the files

03-02-08, 05:06 AM	#11
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I think there was an article in one of the Geneva conventions (Or maybe some other convention) that made the use of false flags forbidden, wheter there was such a law, it was obviously ignored by both sides... It shouldn't be too difficult to include different models for the variants with/without the fake funnel, right?

03-02-08, 05:11 AM	#12
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	Not sure if I understand the question? The Hilfkreuzer IN THE GAME changes to two funnel configuration at some point, and then back and so on. All based on the .eqp file. __________________ With strength I burn...

03-02-08, 05:12 AM	#13
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Oh, i havn't seem them do that, or maybe i just wasn't looking

03-03-08, 01:28 AM	#15
linerkiller Captain Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Modena,Italy Posts: 486 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	[quote=Raptor1]I think there was an article in one of the Geneva conventions (Or maybe some other convention) that made the use of false flags forbidden, wheter there was such a law, it was obviously ignored by both sides... quote] Geneva convention doesnt say nothing about that. The Maritime law allows the using of a false flag during the cruise, but the real flag have to be raised before starting any fight. You can see this pratice in the 1960-black\white movie "Under ten flags" with Van Heflin,it's also a nice and filological film __________________ "A hard drill makes an easy battle" Alexander V. Suvorov "When we realized that our clubbing and kickings were being administered by the burned, mutilated survivors of our handiwork, we found we could take it with less prejudice." Captain Richard "Dick" O'Kane-USS Tang http://www.youtube.com/user/willembrock