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05-07-12, 09:29 AM | #1 |
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The 5.56 x 45mm Nato round in use by the French Army is exactly the same as the US 5,56 x 45mm Nato Round as this ammo is Nato standarized (STANAG 4172). You can also use M-16 Mags in a FAMAS Rifle, no problem with that, because the Mags are also standarized (STANAG 4179).
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05-07-12, 11:46 AM | #2 | |
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FAMAS F1 and G1 use M193 ammunition and 25 rounds magazines (not interchangeable with US M16A2 or US M4). |
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05-07-12, 02:18 PM | #3 |
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FAMAS FAMAS F1 and G1 are used by the French military the G2 is for export the F1 and the G1 use a French version of M193 the American 5.56mm round it must be a steel casing due to the delayed blow back nature of the FAMAS non steel casings will cause over pressure so the M193 rounds are uniquely French.
The M193 rounds can be used in an M-16/M-4 though but the 25 round magazines can not it seems that French military did not select the G2 as you can see videos of French troops in Afghanistan armed with F1 and G1s but never G2 I think one reason might be the 30 round magazine the 25 rounders obviously force a reduction in the RPM being put down the 30 round magazines might be more likely to cause a French solider in the heat of battle to over heat his rifle then he would have to run away and request UN support. At any rate if you look at recent arms deals around the world many buyers are not selecting American systems the Saudis purchased the Typhoon over upgrading the F-15 and many smaller nations are buying Swedish aircraft (the Grippen) or French aircraft (the Rafale) over competing American and British designs these aircraft also come with their own weapons systems not developed by the US or UK I image that Russia also loses out as of late as well. |
05-07-12, 06:40 PM | #4 |
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Wow, you guys get spun up over the littlest things.
The UN has not decided anything. Nor will they. 1. The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples is not a legally binding resolution. 2. Nothing in the 46 articles indicates in any way that a country would ever have to give anything back. There is an article for reparations, but that is only for land taken illegally. Since the US writes the laws, most of what we did to the Indians was legal. 3. Not to doubt the Daily Mail, but according to the UN website, the reports of Mr. S. James Anaya don't mention Mt Rushmore. BTW the Daily Mail could not even get his name right. What Mr. Anaya is saying about the US is the same he is saying about other countries "you guys really need to improve the way you preserve indigenous cultures. " In other words, nothing to see here folks.
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05-07-12, 07:20 PM | #5 |
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They just want to get their evil UN hands on the treasure buried beneath Mt. Rushmore. You can't fool me, I have National Treasure II.
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Well that is pretty obvious.I just thought that the GPS comment was funny.I like how some members of native tribes make a big deal about a bit of ground being special to them for example a Seminole reservation here in Florida they made a huge deal about a bit of land and got it back becuase it had been a burial ground Know what stands on that ground now?A Hard Rock Casino how about the indigenous cultures respect their own? I know such things are not the reflection of all Native Americans but you cant tell me that a casino being on top of your old burial ground is not a desecration. |
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05-08-12, 12:04 AM | #7 |
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If people are going to go about handing back land to their original owners, maybe we should find some Celts to hand the majority of western Europe back to.
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05-08-12, 12:08 AM | #8 |
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05-08-12, 12:55 AM | #9 |
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05-08-12, 07:02 PM | #10 |
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Anyone read Robert Ludlum's Road to Omaha?
Evidently there was, in his fictional world, a treaty that gave this Indian tribe perpetual ownership of some land in Nebraska. Omaha actually and the Headquarters of Strategic Air Command to be specific. And the Indians demanded the land and all improvements to be given back to them.
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05-09-12, 02:13 AM | #11 |
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The Visigoths called, they want the Balkans back.
The Romans called right after, they want all of Europe back south of Hadrians wall. The Mesopotamians called, and they are demanding the Tigris and Euphrates valley. How far back does whitey have to go for self hate? How about this...Conquered people.... deal with it. The Japanese and Germans did, and came out stronger, they did not make excuses, they moved on.
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The japanese and the germans are rather insistant when it comes to the terms and conditions set out in the paperwork they have. Its amazing, you get yourself upset over a non story from a rubbish media outlet and then long after it is obvious it is a bollox story you decide to dig yourself in deeper over the nonsense |
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05-09-12, 04:43 PM | #13 |
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