SUBSIM Radio Room Forums



SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997

Go Back   SUBSIM Radio Room Forums > General > General Topics
Forget password? Reset here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-26-18, 10:19 AM   #1
Jimbuna
Chief of the Boat
 
Jimbuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: 250 metres below the surface
Posts: 181,175
Downloads: 63
Uploads: 13


Default Fracking in Lancashire suspended following earthquake

Quote:
Operations have been suspended at the UK's only fracking site following an earthquake - just 11 days after it was given the green light.

Energy firm Cuadrilla said it would halt fracking at the Lancashire site for 18 hours after a tremor of 0.8 magnitude was recorded.

Drilling for shale gas at Preston New Road, Little Plumpton, started on 15 October after a legal challenge failed.

A Cuadrilla spokesman said the "tiny movements" could not be felt.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-45976219

Not a 'biggy' by any stretch of the imagination but something that will be seized upon by those who are opposed to fracking no doubt.
__________________
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
Oh my God, not again!!


GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)
Jimbuna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-18, 10:40 AM   #2
Skybird
Soaring
 
Skybird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: the mental asylum named Germany
Posts: 40,493
Downloads: 9
Uploads: 0


Default

2004 an oil rig by Taylor Energy was shreddered by hurricane Ivan. Since then, over three dozen leaks showed up at aroiund dwells that were drilled by this platform, and all efforts to seal them off again, mostly failed, less than one third of them got sealed off for sure, the others still leak as always. Since then, in these 14 years, every day around 100 thousand litres of crude oil leak into the Golf of Mexico, which makes this havary more damaging to the environment than the Deepwater Horizon desaster, 20 km offshore the Mississippi delta ending in the Gulf.



The media do not report, almost nobody knows about it, nobody cares, I heard about it just days ago for the first time ever.



And you guys in Britain worry about a little earthquake?
__________________
If you feel nuts, consult an expert.
Skybird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-18, 07:29 AM   #3
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skybird View Post
And you guys in Britain worry about a little earthquake?
Not me Sky.

The UK has hundreds of earthquakes every week and most are never noticed.


I am against fracking its just a poor attempt to say this is needed and its good for you, just watch your fuel bills come down.

YEA RIGHT THAT OLD CHESTNUT OF A LIE.
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-18, 10:15 AM   #4
Jimbuna
Chief of the Boat
 
Jimbuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: 250 metres below the surface
Posts: 181,175
Downloads: 63
Uploads: 13


Default

Second 0.8 tremor in 24 hours.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-46003462
__________________
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
Oh my God, not again!!


GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)
Jimbuna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-18, 11:10 AM   #5
Catfish
Dipped Squirrel Operative
 
Catfish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky
Posts: 16,897
Downloads: 38
Uploads: 0


Default

Fracking is a two-sided sword. Usually this is only done when the oil/gas will not flow freely anymore (often when the oil well is getting exhausted, pressure drop etc.), it can be used for oil and gas reservoirs.

Those reservoirs are not big caves, but the stuff we want is distributed in cracks and geologic faults, gas like oil. The reservoir is located in stone or sediment, with water, oil and gas filling up the spaces between e.g. sand corns or in smallish cracks. You have a porosity, and a permeability.
To get more out you try to increase the permeability in the reservoir.

To squeeze more out you use what is called hydraulic fracking, you press a fluid down the production pipe, causing the sediment to be "blown up", and widen cracks and pore space, to make the rests of hydrocarbons flow freely again.
The fluid used is mostly loaded with chemical drag reducers like detergents, but also with specially formed plastic, stone or ceramic particles, to keep those opened cracks open, when the remaining hydrocarbons get out. Some of this stuff is toxic.

So the geologic layers being pumped up increase in volume, and decrease again, which of course has an impact on the surface since the whole reservoir structure is "inhaling" and "exhaling" in a way.
Further problems are the chemicals used because regardless how careful you are, a lot of this stuff cannot be regained at the surface, additionally the production pipes of older wells can be badly corroded, and leaking.
So you also lose some of the stuff to groundwater horizons. I guess you can imagine what can happen next, from gas to all kinds of chemical pollution, in the drinking water.

The whole procedure is also expensive, financially.
__________________


>^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.
Catfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-18, 11:26 AM   #6
Skybird
Soaring
 
Skybird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: the mental asylum named Germany
Posts: 40,493
Downloads: 9
Uploads: 0


Default

We have had several cascade earthquakes of signififcant strength in recent years in the Volcanic Eiffel region over here, their frequency is quite high and growing still, and to geologists it is clear that it is magmatic activity deep underground. The depth is the reason why on the surface is only felt little of it, but it also means the threat potential is quite high. Somethign is loading up down there. There is growing concern that a major eruption could take place again anytime in the next 30-300 years, but nobody wants to care for it, nobody wants to pay attention to it. Since the whole Eiffel region is one giant volcano, that pretty much could mean game over for Germany as an integrated state and economic actor.



THAT are concerns, dear Brits...!

__________________
If you feel nuts, consult an expert.
Skybird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-18, 12:45 AM   #7
nikimcbee
Fleet Admiral
 
nikimcbee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Patroling the Slot.
Posts: 17,924
Downloads: 90
Uploads: 0


Default

After further study, it was found that Britain can no longer support the weight of Jim's diecast collection.
__________________
nikimcbee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-18, 02:13 AM   #8
Catfish
Dipped Squirrel Operative
 
Catfish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky
Posts: 16,897
Downloads: 38
Uploads: 0


Default

^
__________________


>^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.
Catfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-18, 06:11 AM   #9
Jimbuna
Chief of the Boat
 
Jimbuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: 250 metres below the surface
Posts: 181,175
Downloads: 63
Uploads: 13


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nikimcbee View Post
After further study, it was found that Britain can no longer support the weight of Jim's diecast collection.




__________________
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
Oh my God, not again!!


GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)
Jimbuna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-18, 09:46 AM   #10
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


Icon10

Quote:
Originally Posted by nikimcbee View Post
After further study, it was found that Britain can no longer support the weight of Jim's diecast collection.
THAT'S NOT FUNNY MAN!









THAT'S BRILLIANT!
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-18, 10:15 AM   #11
Catfish
Dipped Squirrel Operative
 
Catfish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky
Posts: 16,897
Downloads: 38
Uploads: 0


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by STEED View Post
THAT'S NOT FUNNY MAN!
THAT'S BRILLIANT!

Nici and you are having the funniest-post-of-the-year contest ?
__________________


>^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.
Catfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-18, 10:29 AM   #12
Aktungbby
Gefallen Engel U-666
 
Aktungbby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy
Posts: 27,855
Downloads: 22
Uploads: 0


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CATFISH
Nici and you are having the funniest-post-of-the-year contest ?
JEEZE! I THOUGHT I ALREADY WON THAT! http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2569003&postcount=68
__________________

"Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"
Aktungbby is online   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-18, 11:15 AM   #13
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aktungbby View Post
OH, how much did you slip to the contest committee?
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-18, 11:40 AM   #14
Aktungbby
Gefallen Engel U-666
 
Aktungbby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy
Posts: 27,855
Downloads: 22
Uploads: 0


Default QUAKES, FLOODS FIRES...& VINO BBY!

^A 'COMMITTEE' OF ONE I'LL WAGER
Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYBIRD
And you guys in Britain worry about a little earthquake?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Catfish View Post
Fracking is a two-sided sword.
AS WE OFTEN SAY IN NAPA AFTER A QUAKE (2014) "WHERE THE 'FRACK' ARE WE?!!" TALK ABOUT GROUND WATER: https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/06/13/earthquake-weather-2014-south-napa-quake/
Quote:
The report was published in the Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth. It found that the 6.0 Napa quake may be tied to a dip in groundwater levels that happens during summer months.

https://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/storms-fires-and-quake-could-total-million-in-napa-county/article_d20960a8-30d8-508a-95c9-95679fdf4c6a.html
Quote:
Napa County’s disaster trifecta of earthquake, storms and fire might end up costing county government $80 million to $90 million, though insurance and federal and state reimbursements will remove much of the financial sting.
FORTUNATELY IT'S ALSO THE WINE CAPITOL OF THE WORLD....WHICH MAKES IT BETTER....
__________________

"Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

Last edited by Aktungbby; 11-05-18 at 11:55 AM.
Aktungbby is online   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-18, 11:47 AM   #15
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aktungbby View Post
^A 'COMMITTEE' OF ONE I'LL WAGER



Oh I see straight to the top.
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2024 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.