[REL] DD Benham and DD Benson Destroyer - Page 2

John W. Hamm · 01-25-10, 06:32 PM

So am I to understand that you can use these surface ships in campaign mode? and they can be crewed? do they take damage? how well do they work over all? I remember in he past there were a lot of surface ships being put out but a lot of them wouldn't take damage or their guns didn't work...

Haven't been around for a while but I thought I might stop back in and pick up a sub but then again a may pick up a DD now...

AOTD_MadMax · 01-25-10, 06:33 PM

Hello Captains,

now the Sumner Class Destroyer is ready for the Pacific.

I put this Destroyer in my small package with the Benson and the Benham.

Here you can get them :

http://www.aotd-flottille.de/Maddy/SH4/US_DD.rar

Install :

If you wanne use this Ships in your SH4 Version you first have
to make a copy of your names-file in your roster-directory
and copy it to the roster-directory in this mod.

Then you have to add following lines to the Name-File below
the entry DDSomers=Destroyer Somers Class

DDBenham=Destroyer Benham Class
DDBenson=Destroyer Benson Class
DDSumner=Destroyer Sumner Class

After this is done you can enable this Mod via JSGME !

This Mod is compatible to every version of SH4.
You also can use this ships in every kind of mod.
You only have to edit the Name.cfg in your roster-directory by your own.

Hope you like them !

Regards

Maddy

AOTD_MadMax · 01-29-10, 04:30 PM

Hello Captains,

i have reworked the DD-Pack a bit.

Benson and Benham got new skins :

A new DD is worked out.
The Robert H. Smith Class Destroyer/Minelayer was build out of the Sumner-Class.

Here you can see them .

1.) Sumner Class

2.) Smith Class

Here you can see the mines :

Download :

http://www.aotd-flottille.de/Maddy/SH4/US_DD.rar

Installation :

If you wanne use this Ships in your SH4 Version you first have
to make a copy of your names-file in your roster-directory
and copy it to the roster-directory in this mod.

Then you have to add following lines to the Name-File below
the entry DDSomers=Destroyer Somers Class

DDBenham=Destroyer Benham Class
DDBenson=Destroyer Benson Class
DDSumner=Destroyer Sumner Class
DDSmith=Destroyer Smith Class

After this is done you can enable this Mod via JSGME !

This Mod is compatible to every version of SH4.
You also can use this ships in every kind of mod.
You only have to edit the Name.cfg in your roster-directory by your own.

Hope you like them !

Regards

Maddy

AOTD_MadMax · 02-04-10, 09:43 AM

Hello Captains,

the US-Destroyerpack is totally reworked now.

After getting some nice pictures from late-war Fletcher´s and some Sumner´s, i have to rework the DD´s again.

Now this is the last evolution of my US-Destroyerpack, you can be sure.

The Units :

1.) Benham Destroyer :

Nothing changed to this unit !

2.) Benson/Gleaves Class :

Texture and weapons reworked :

3.) Fletcher Late War Version :

This unit is new !!

4.) Allan M. Sumner Class :

Totally reworked !

5.) Robert H. Smith Class :

Also totally reworked :

Download :

http://www.aotd-flottille.de/Maddy/SH4/US_DD.rar

Installation :

If you wanne use this Ships in your SH4 Version you first have
to make a copy of your names-file in your roster-directory
and copy it to the roster-directory in this mod.

Then you have to add following lines to the Name-File below
the entry DDSomers=Destroyer Somers Class

DDBenham=Destroyer Benham Class
DDBenson=Destroyer Benson/Gleaves Class
DDFletcherII=Destroyer Fletcher Class LW
DDSumner=Destroyer Sumner Class
DDSmith=Destroyer Smith Class

After this is done you can enable this Mod via JSGME !

This Mod is compatible to every version of SH4.
You also can use this ships in every kind of mod.
You only have to edit the Name.cfg in your roster-directory by your own.

Hope you like them !

Regards

Maddy

virtualpender · 02-04-10, 08:16 PM

These models look great - especially the late war FLETCHER-class. Thank you for releasing them outside of FOTRS!

AOTD_MadMax · 02-07-10, 11:35 AM

Uhh,

another time i have reworked the Destroyer-Pack, especially the Allan M. Sumner Class and the Robert H. Smith Class.

The back superstructure of the Smith-Class is now lokin like the origin.
Here an origin picture :

Here my model :

The Sumner and the Smith Class got an nonsymetric layout of her Flakpods.
You can see it here :

Here my model :

The Bridge is reworked so it looks more origin :

Here my model :

Very high detailed ....

Here are they .......

The Sumner :

The Smith :

Installation :

If you wanne use this Ships in your SH4 Version you first have
to make a copy of your names-file in your roster-directory
and copy it to the roster-directory in this mod.

Then you have to add following lines to the Name-File below
the entry DDSomers=Destroyer Somers Class

DDBenham=Destroyer Benham Class
DDBenson=Destroyer Benson/Gleaves Class
DDFletcherII=Destroyer Fletcher Class LW
DDSumner=Destroyer Sumner Class
DDSmith=Destroyer Smith Class

After this is done you can enable this Mod via JSGME !

This Mod is compatible to every version of SH4.
You also can use this ships in every kind of mod.
You only have to edit the Name.cfg in your roster-directory by your own.

Download :

http://www.aotd-flottille.de/Maddy/SH4/US_DD.rar

Be carefull if you play against them with german sub´s , they are strong

Regards

Maddy

virtualpender · 02-07-10, 03:54 PM

Wow - thank you. Amazing attention to detail.

Hunter · 02-11-10, 01:12 AM

Quote:

The Bridge is reworked so it looks more origin :

Actually old brige was OK. The carrent is for Gearing class. Is there a way to bring it back or may be make both Samners and Gearings?

AOTD_MadMax · 02-11-10, 06:12 AM

Hi Hunter,

the Sumner´s all looks different.
It is not easy to decide wich bridge you should use cause there are so many different pictures in the net.

For example here are pictures from the USS DD -727 De Haven with the old bridge.

http://www.motionmodels.com/ships/dd/dd727.html

So what is truth ?
Your Version of the painting ore the version of the model ?

In the moment iam workin on it an my opinion is that i will bring the Sumner with the open old bridge and the Smith with the new closed one.
So you got bothe version of bridgesystem.

Regards

Maddy

MGR1 · 02-11-10, 07:04 AM

Hi Mad,

The bridge that Hunter brought up only applied to the first 10-15 or so of the Sumners.

It was based on British practice, but was found to be very awkward to use and very unpopular.

AFAIK, only one DesDiv deployed with Sumners with bridges like that. They were part of the support forces for Operation Neptune/Overlord.

As a result of their experiences with the "British" bridge, BuShips elected to change over to the later style - rebuilding the earlier ships.

So the earlier bridge was only in use for a few months at most. I don't think any Sumners deployed to the Pacific with it.

Either way, it would be very, very rare to see one.

The later style would make more sense, as that was the only type the vast majority of Sumners had, as well as the only type that the Gearings were fitted with.

Hope that helps!

Mike.

Peter Lynn · 02-11-10, 08:04 AM

Hi, I have not posted here for a long time, but I thought that I would offer my congratulations on these fabulous DDs. I spent ages correcting the hull profile on the Lindberg 1/125 Fletcher DD, the Melvin because to allow for the gimmicky rotating torp tubes, turrets and rangefinder they turned the gunwhile in ino a dead straight line. which looked ridiculous.
OK. The Ubisoft Fletcher model partly does this very same thing, but especially if you look at the freeboard over the last one third of the hull towards the stern, this is modelled far too high. A close look at the photos of the real thing and the plans here seem to verify this. I believe at flank speed, the sterns could be driven down so far that they almost seemed to become submerged. If I am mistaken in this I would really appreciate hearing other views on this, as it drove me nuts on the model trying to get it right because it was so essential to the character of the class. The same would also apply to the Sims as well. I still think these new models are outstanding regardless. BRAVO!

Peter Lynn

AOTD_MadMax · 02-11-10, 09:27 AM

Ok,

i will bring them with bothe Bridge-designs.
The Sumner-Class with the old design and the Smith-Class with the new design.
The Gearing is not planned cause they come to late.
Its ot making sense to built this class.

I think this is a choice wich makes everybody lucky

Maddy

AOTD_MadMax · 02-11-10, 11:53 AM

Ok Captains,

here they are !

1.) Sumner Class with high funnel and old british style bridge ( early version )

Now he got the double 40mm AA at the right place behind the bridge.
In front behind the second maingun he got now 4 x 20mm Single just like the original.

2.) Smith Class with lower funnel and modern complete closed bridge ( late version )

Here you can see the reworked hull on backside

I hope you can live with them !

I will upload the DD-Package today again until i have worked out the new sil-files for them.

Regards

Maddy

Hunter · 02-11-10, 11:58 AM

Yep, I knew that there were early and late types of brige, but didn't know that so few of Sommers class were made withe old one. The idea was that old version was almost fine too and there is a reason to make Samner and Smith (or Gearing) with different types of brige to have more differences. Thus as there were only 10 with british type which served at Atlantic its not wery important.

ANTARES · 02-11-10, 12:50 PM

I noticed that the US Ensign is flying on the outer yardarm... should it be flying on the mainmast lanyard itself?

01-25-10, 06:32 PM	#16
John W. Hamm Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Timbuktoo Posts: 331 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	So am I to understand that you can use these surface ships in campaign mode? and they can be crewed? do they take damage? how well do they work over all? I remember in he past there were a lot of surface ships being put out but a lot of them wouldn't take damage or their guns didn't work... Haven't been around for a while but I thought I might stop back in and pick up a sub but then again a may pick up a DD now... __________________ Elvis has left the building

01-25-10, 06:33 PM	#17
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Sumner Class Destroyer launched .... Hello Captains, now the Sumner Class Destroyer is ready for the Pacific. I put this Destroyer in my small package with the Benson and the Benham. Here you can get them : http://www.aotd-flottille.de/Maddy/SH4/US_DD.rar Install : If you wanne use this Ships in your SH4 Version you first have to make a copy of your names-file in your roster-directory and copy it to the roster-directory in this mod. Then you have to add following lines to the Name-File below the entry DDSomers=Destroyer Somers Class DDBenham=Destroyer Benham Class DDBenson=Destroyer Benson Class DDSumner=Destroyer Sumner Class After this is done you can enable this Mod via JSGME ! This Mod is compatible to every version of SH4. You also can use this ships in every kind of mod. You only have to edit the Name.cfg in your roster-directory by your own. Hope you like them ! Regards Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

01-29-10, 04:30 PM	#18
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Hello Captains, i have reworked the DD-Pack a bit. Benson and Benham got new skins : A new DD is worked out. The Robert H. Smith Class Destroyer/Minelayer was build out of the Sumner-Class. Here you can see them . 1.) Sumner Class 2.) Smith Class Here you can see the mines : Download : http://www.aotd-flottille.de/Maddy/SH4/US_DD.rar Installation : If you wanne use this Ships in your SH4 Version you first have to make a copy of your names-file in your roster-directory and copy it to the roster-directory in this mod. Then you have to add following lines to the Name-File below the entry DDSomers=Destroyer Somers Class DDBenham=Destroyer Benham Class DDBenson=Destroyer Benson Class DDSumner=Destroyer Sumner Class DDSmith=Destroyer Smith Class After this is done you can enable this Mod via JSGME ! This Mod is compatible to every version of SH4. You also can use this ships in every kind of mod. You only have to edit the Name.cfg in your roster-directory by your own. Hope you like them ! Regards Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

02-04-10, 09:43 AM	#19
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	DD-Pack totally reworked !!!!! Hello Captains, the US-Destroyerpack is totally reworked now. After getting some nice pictures from late-war Fletcher´s and some Sumner´s, i have to rework the DD´s again. Now this is the last evolution of my US-Destroyerpack, you can be sure. The Units : 1.) Benham Destroyer : Nothing changed to this unit ! 2.) Benson/Gleaves Class : Texture and weapons reworked : 3.) Fletcher Late War Version : This unit is new !! 4.) Allan M. Sumner Class : Totally reworked ! 5.) Robert H. Smith Class : Also totally reworked : Download : http://www.aotd-flottille.de/Maddy/SH4/US_DD.rar Installation : If you wanne use this Ships in your SH4 Version you first have to make a copy of your names-file in your roster-directory and copy it to the roster-directory in this mod. Then you have to add following lines to the Name-File below the entry DDSomers=Destroyer Somers Class DDBenham=Destroyer Benham Class DDBenson=Destroyer Benson/Gleaves Class DDFletcherII=Destroyer Fletcher Class LW DDSumner=Destroyer Sumner Class DDSmith=Destroyer Smith Class After this is done you can enable this Mod via JSGME ! This Mod is compatible to every version of SH4. You also can use this ships in every kind of mod. You only have to edit the Name.cfg in your roster-directory by your own. Hope you like them ! Regards Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

02-07-10, 11:35 AM	#21
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Uhh, another time i have reworked the Destroyer-Pack, especially the Allan M. Sumner Class and the Robert H. Smith Class. The back superstructure of the Smith-Class is now lokin like the origin. Here an origin picture : Here my model : The Sumner and the Smith Class got an nonsymetric layout of her Flakpods. You can see it here : Here my model : The Bridge is reworked so it looks more origin : Here my model : Very high detailed .... Here are they ....... The Sumner : The Smith : Installation : If you wanne use this Ships in your SH4 Version you first have to make a copy of your names-file in your roster-directory and copy it to the roster-directory in this mod. Then you have to add following lines to the Name-File below the entry DDSomers=Destroyer Somers Class DDBenham=Destroyer Benham Class DDBenson=Destroyer Benson/Gleaves Class DDFletcherII=Destroyer Fletcher Class LW DDSumner=Destroyer Sumner Class DDSmith=Destroyer Smith Class After this is done you can enable this Mod via JSGME ! This Mod is compatible to every version of SH4. You also can use this ships in every kind of mod. You only have to edit the Name.cfg in your roster-directory by your own. Download : http://www.aotd-flottille.de/Maddy/SH4/US_DD.rar Be carefull if you play against them with german sub´s , they are strong Regards Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

02-04-10, 08:16 PM	#20
virtualpender Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 381 Downloads: 281 Uploads: 0	These models look great - especially the late war FLETCHER-class. Thank you for releasing them outside of FOTRS!

02-07-10, 03:54 PM	#22
virtualpender Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 381 Downloads: 281 Uploads: 0	Wow - thank you. Amazing attention to detail.

02-11-10, 06:12 AM	#24
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Hi Hunter, the Sumner´s all looks different. It is not easy to decide wich bridge you should use cause there are so many different pictures in the net. For example here are pictures from the USS DD -727 De Haven with the old bridge. http://www.motionmodels.com/ships/dd/dd727.html So what is truth ? Your Version of the painting ore the version of the model ? In the moment iam workin on it an my opinion is that i will bring the Sumner with the open old bridge and the Smith with the new closed one. So you got bothe version of bridgesystem. Regards Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

02-11-10, 07:04 AM	#25
MGR1 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom Posts: 957 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	Hi Mad, The bridge that Hunter brought up only applied to the first 10-15 or so of the Sumners. It was based on British practice, but was found to be very awkward to use and very unpopular. AFAIK, only one DesDiv deployed with Sumners with bridges like that. They were part of the support forces for Operation Neptune/Overlord. As a result of their experiences with the "British" bridge, BuShips elected to change over to the later style - rebuilding the earlier ships. So the earlier bridge was only in use for a few months at most. I don't think any Sumners deployed to the Pacific with it. Either way, it would be very, very rare to see one. The later style would make more sense, as that was the only type the vast majority of Sumners had, as well as the only type that the Gearings were fitted with. Hope that helps! Mike. __________________ "I am the battleship Jean Bart. This name originates from a certain 'respected' privateer... Yes? You want to know what privateers are? Hmph, they are pirates that rob openly under the banner of their country." Jean Bart from the mobile game Azur Lane.

02-11-10, 08:04 AM	#26
Peter Lynn Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5 Downloads: 247 Uploads: 0	Hi, I have not posted here for a long time, but I thought that I would offer my congratulations on these fabulous DDs. I spent ages correcting the hull profile on the Lindberg 1/125 Fletcher DD, the Melvin because to allow for the gimmicky rotating torp tubes, turrets and rangefinder they turned the gunwhile in ino a dead straight line. which looked ridiculous. OK. The Ubisoft Fletcher model partly does this very same thing, but especially if you look at the freeboard over the last one third of the hull towards the stern, this is modelled far too high. A close look at the photos of the real thing and the plans here seem to verify this. I believe at flank speed, the sterns could be driven down so far that they almost seemed to become submerged. If I am mistaken in this I would really appreciate hearing other views on this, as it drove me nuts on the model trying to get it right because it was so essential to the character of the class. The same would also apply to the Sims as well. I still think these new models are outstanding regardless. BRAVO! Peter Lynn

02-11-10, 09:27 AM	#27
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Ok, i will bring them with bothe Bridge-designs. The Sumner-Class with the old design and the Smith-Class with the new design. The Gearing is not planned cause they come to late. Its ot making sense to built this class. I think this is a choice wich makes everybody lucky Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

02-11-10, 11:53 AM	#28
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Ok Captains, here they are ! 1.) Sumner Class with high funnel and old british style bridge ( early version ) Now he got the double 40mm AA at the right place behind the bridge. In front behind the second maingun he got now 4 x 20mm Single just like the original. 2.) Smith Class with lower funnel and modern complete closed bridge ( late version ) Here you can see the reworked hull on backside I hope you can live with them ! I will upload the DD-Package today again until i have worked out the new sil-files for them. Regards Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

02-11-10, 11:58 AM	#29
Hunter Commander Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: St.Petersburg, Russia Posts: 474 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	Yep, I knew that there were early and late types of brige, but didn't know that so few of Sommers class were made withe old one. The idea was that old version was almost fine too and there is a reason to make Samner and Smith (or Gearing) with different types of brige to have more differences. Thus as there were only 10 with british type which served at Atlantic its not wery important.

02-11-10, 12:50 PM	#30
ANTARES Seaman Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 33 Downloads: 1461 Uploads: 0	I noticed that the US Ensign is flying on the outer yardarm... should it be flying on the mainmast lanyard itself?