Tesla: ‘There’s almost no reason to have a gas car’

[Reece]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Somethin' like this?

Yeh, that's it!!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Reece

Also it seems that is is uneconomical due mostly for battery costs and disposal.

This. This and always this again.

The whole idea does not compute as well as they try to make it appear.

In past months tere were repeated tests by German reviwers and cra enthiusiasts in our media. There conclusions were on qulity, durablity, range of especially Tesla models were in their mildest form deeply sobering, sometimes simply obliterating. And repairs were extremely costly, while reselling value was exceptionally low (which does not surprise me one bit).

Ecars for short distances inside cities, service cars: maybe, I cannot competently judge that, but have my ebike experience, I could ikmagien ecars in cities work, but not for every private household (too expensive). But as Neal already mentioned: I think for trucking, freight moving, overland travelling, families needing their cars for both in- and outside cities travelling : an idiotic idea. Too expensive. And not ecologically sustainable.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This. This and always this again.

The whole idea does not compute as well as they try to make it appear.

Ecars for short distances inside cities, service cars: maybe, I cannot competently judge that, but have my ebike experience, I could ikmagien ecars in cities work, but not for every private household (too expensive). But as Neal already mentioned: I think for trucking, freight moving, overland travelling, families needing their cars for both in- and outside cities travelling : an idiotic idea. Too expensive. And not ecologically sustainable.

Yes, I think you're right. Plus, it's possible/likely that a new tech, like the solid state batteries Toyota is working on, could render the current EVs obsolete. Imagine spending $60,000 on a 2024 EV and a 2025 model with a radically different power system comes out at the same price point but with double the range and 10 min charging time. Who would want to be stuck with the crappy old version?

[Aktungbby]

...what also hasn't really been discussed is the miserable cost of repairs to the Tesla developement one-piece carbody that houses the huge and heavy battery. The repair infrastructure and turnaround time is poor as the current focus is on building new EVs, not fixing old ones. Insurance premiums are accordingly higher. https://electrek.co/2023/09/14/tesla...asting-report/

There are a lot of detractors who badmouth the whole casting system as more difficult to repair. If the quarter panel is really damaged, now they replace it. If the car's casting is too damaged, it will be totaled as uneconomically repairable and the body will be stripped of its parts, especially the most expensive part, the battery, and the body will be melted down and recast.

Another issue that the naysayers ignore is that there are so many sheet metal cars that are so severely damaged by rust that they're not road worthy and unrepairable. That's not going to be as big a problem with castings.

[mapuc]

Debunking some myth about E-cars

Factcheck: 21 misleading myths about electric vehicles

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factchec...tric-vehicles/

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Yes, I think you're right. Plus, it's possible/likely that a new tech, like the solid state batteries Toyota is working on, could render the current EVs obsolete. Imagine spending $60,000 on a 2024 EV and a 2025 model with a radically different power system comes out at the same price point but with double the range and 10 min charging time. Who would want to be stuck with the crappy old version?

Reminds me of personal computers. I once spent two grand on a 486 laptop with Windows 3.1 only to see win 95 Pentiums come out a year later.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

Reminds me of personal computers. I once spent two grand on a 486 laptop with Windows 3.1 only to see win 95 Pentiums come out a year later.

I wouldn't be surprised if that also happened to a few more people hereabouts

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Yes, I think you're right. Plus, it's possible/likely that a new tech, like the solid state batteries Toyota is working on, could render the current EVs obsolete. Imagine spending $60,000 on a 2024 EV and a 2025 model with a radically different power system comes out at the same price point but with double the range and 10 min charging time. Who would want to be stuck with the crappy old version?

That's extremely unlikely, to say the least.

[Skybird]

Has the EU overturned the ban on combustion engines?


https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/...en&_x_tr_hl=de


I predicted that this ban would not hold. It simply is impossible to do, at least within the planned timeframe. And the rest of the world continued to revolve around the sun, even if the EU planned to make the sun revolve around Brussels.

[Aktungbby]

[THE_MASK]

Where i live in a major city in Australia the price of standard gas is equivelant to $10.40 a us gallon . Thats why i have an electric fat tyre electric bicycle and an electric scooter for getting around on a daily basis . Will be getting a Tesla for longer trips .

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by August

Reminds me of personal computers. I once spent two grand on a 486 laptop with Windows 3.1 only to see win 95 Pentiums come out a year later.

Yes, that's it, exactly. Except $60 grand is a bit more of a bite. Plus, when things go wrong with an EV, it's serious money to repair--talking Land Rover money $$$

I had a friend who drove a nice gas-powered car, was solid, a few years old but worked fine. He had it overheat, so he stopped and when it cooled down, refilled the radiator and went on. It overheated again, he repeated. And when I say it overheated, I mean, he didn't noticed the temp gauge buried in the red, he noticed the antifreeze smell and the car slowing down.

He took it to a shop, they changed the radiator (why? I don't know, they obviously didn't test it). Did not fix the problem. So, instead of getting a competent shop to find the problem, he kept driving it. Yeah, in a week it seized up. Now he's looking at used cars at the $30,000 range to replace it. It would have been a lot smarter to spend $500 or so to diagnose the issue and fix it.

Now with EVs, when they break down, how many of us can repair the battery system?

[August]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Now with EVs, when they break down, how many of us can repair the battery system?

Exactly and even if we could the parts would be a heckuva lot more than 500 bucks.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Sounds like Wenndy is making news stories on the side?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Yes, that's it, exactly. Except $60 grand is a bit more of a bite. Plus, when things go wrong with an EV, it's serious money to repair--talking Land Rover money $$$

I had a friend who drove a nice gas-powered car, was solid, a few years old but worked fine. He had it overheat, so he stopped and when it cooled down, refilled the radiator and went on. It overheated again, he repeated. And when I say it overheated, I mean, he didn't noticed the temp gauge buried in the red, he noticed the antifreeze smell and the car slowing down.

He took it to a shop, they changed the radiator (why? I don't know, they obviously didn't test it). Did not fix the problem. So, instead of getting a competent shop to find the problem, he kept driving it. Yeah, in a week it seized up. Now he's looking at used cars at the $30,000 range to replace it. It would have been a lot smarter to spend $500 or so to diagnose the issue and fix it.

Now with EVs, when they break down, how many of us can repair the battery system?

Does the car software crash, if you don't update to the latest version windows?