[WIP] Historical Guns Specs

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Originally Posted by V13dweller

The Di Guissano ship fired it's main guns ONCE, I am not sure if they even hit the Black swan sloop, but after the cruiser fired it's main guns once, it stopped, then the Black Swan Sloop sunk in, then went after me. (The spectator)

Only once.... that's weird indeed

- What was your mod soup when you carried out this test?
- Have you tried launching the same mission without enabling my latest patch? Does it make any difference?
- Montecuccoli light cruisers mount the same guns as the di Giussano, have you put at least one of them in the same mission? Do they behave the same way?
- Fletcher class destroyers' 5" single mount guns, North Carolina class battleships' 5" twin mount guns, Somers class destroyers' 5" double mount guns, King George V class battleships' and Dido class light cruisers' 5.25" twin mount guns, feature the same changes as the italian 6" gun. Have you tested them as well?

Originally Posted by V13dweller

A bit off topic, is it possible to set an British ship to be under German allegiance? Because I want to simulate spoils of war.

Originally Posted by Echolot

Copy it's cfg-file in data/Roster from British/Sea to German/Sea and place with ME2.

Exactly

[V13dweller]

The Dido light cruisers guns fire, but the seem to fire quite fast
The Montecuccoli Cruiser fire normally, It tracks and shoots, but the Di Giussano fires once, then stop shooting, I will run the test again, I will put both of the cruisers in the same mission to see if they both work properly.

[V13dweller]

I am not sure what happened before, but the ship seems to be shooting normally again .
I don't know how to respond to this incident.

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Originally Posted by V13dweller

The Dido light cruisers guns fire, but the seem to fire quite fast

yes I see. Reload time for the 5.25" Mk I gun (Dido class main batteries) is set to 1.5 sec, i.e. a rate of fire of 40 rounds per minute per muzzle. I will increase this time to 8.6 sec, giving a more realistic rate of fire of about 7 rpm.

I will post an update of the patch fixing the above issue in a matter of minutes

Originally Posted by V13dweller

The Montecuccoli Cruiser fire normally, It tracks and shoots, but the Di Giussano fires once, then stop shooting, I will run the test again, I will put both of the cruisers in the same mission to see if they both work properly.

Originally Posted by V13dweller

I am not sure what happened before, but the ship seems to be shooting normally again .

Good!

Originally Posted by V13dweller

I don't know how to respond to this incident.

as usual, they are sending us old equipment, poor ammunition, unprepared crews... damn Regia Marina

[volodya61]

offtopic

Gap, did you saw this post - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...1&postcount=10

my apologies

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quick update of the patch to v 0.2:

http://www.mediafire.com/?6tpc3e3gkbx9txj

What is new:

• corrected the rate of fire of the British 5.25" (13.4 cm) Mark I (twin turret) gun from 40 to 7 rpm per muzzle; gun used on King George V class battleships and Dido class light cruisers.

Previous version:

v 0.1:

• fixed a wrong setting that prevented muzzle flash effects for the US 5" (12.7 cm) Mk. 12 gun (single mount Mk. 30), used on Fletcher class destroyers;
  
• fixed a wrong setting that prevented muzzle flash effects for the US 5" (12.7 cm) Mk. 12 gun (twin mount Mk. 28), used on North Carolina class battleships;
  
• fixed a wrong setting that prevented muzzle flash effects for the US 5" (12.7 cm) Mk. 12 gun (twin mount Mk. 22), used on Somers class destroyers;
  
• fixed a wrong setting that prevented muzzle flash effects for the Italian 152 mm (6") Model 1926/1929 gun (twin turret), used on Giussano (Bartolomeo Colleoni) and Montecuccoli classes light cruisers;
  
• fixed a wrong setting that prevented muzzle flash effects for the British 5.25" (13.4 cm) Mk. I gun (twin mount), used on King George V class battleships (including Duke of York), and Dido class light cruisers;
  
• fixed a missing setting that prevented muzzle flash effects for the British 6" (15.2 cm) BL Mk. XXII gun (twin mount), used on Nelson class battleships.

v 0:

• added 3 new shell definitions for 11" AP, HE and AA ammunition, with intermediate damage, damage radius, and armour piercing settings between 8" and 14" shells of the same type;
  
• fixed a wrong ammunition setting that prevented from firing the German 28 cm (11") SK C/34 gun (three-gun turret), used on Scharnhorst and Deutschland classes pocket battleships; the gun is now firing the newly introduced 11" AP and HE shells;
  
• 14" AP and HE shells replaced with more correct 11" ammunition of the same type for the German 28 cm (11") SK L/40 gun (double-gun turret), used on Deutschland class battleships;
  
• fixed a missing setting that prevented muzzle flash effects for the German 10.5 cm (4.1") SK C/33 gun (twin mount), used on Bismark class battleships, Scharnhost and Deutschland classes pocket battleships, and Admiral Hipper class heavy cruisers.

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Originally Posted by volodya61

offtopic

Gap, did you saw this post - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...1&postcount=10

my apologies

Thank you Volodya, yes I saw it. Iam going to reply in the appropriate thread

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by gap

patch v 0.2:

Nice

[V13dweller]

Thanks for the patch on the Dido cruisers 5.25", now when it's up against a Cruiser of Germany, your not blinded by a hail of shells so thick you can barely see the sun.

An off topic question once again, does the Graf Zeppelin carrier from Open Horizons have any armour? because it was destroyed by the AA guns on an Illustrious class Aircraft carriers, If it doesn't, could someone patch it to have the armour of normal ships.

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Originally Posted by Trevally.

Nice

Just for testing Trev:

there are so many of these errors that I wouldn't call this tiny update a major advancement in the realism of the game. Right now I want just to see how the new settings are applied in game. Probably they will need for a further finetuning, but once the method will be consolidated, creating a global realism/bug fixing patch will be easier and a lot faster

Originally Posted by V13dweller

Thanks for the patch on the Dido cruisers 5.25", now when it's up against a Cruiser of Germany, your not blinded by a hail of shells so thick you can barely see the sun.

have you tested it already?

[V13dweller]

Indeed I actually just have.

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Originally Posted by V13dweller

Indeed I actually just have.

...and what? Are they firing at a more reasonable rate now (slowly enough for the Regia Marina lazy gunners to stand a little chance at least)?

what do you want me to fix next?

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

...what do you want me to fix next?

Maybe it's time to solve/fix the following issue?

Originally Posted by gap

- Machine guns (both aircraft and ship mounted) are overpowered in SH5.

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Originally Posted by volodya61

Maybe it's time to solve/fix the following issue?

Originally Posted by gap
- Machine guns (both aircraft and ship mounted) are overpowered in SH5.

Yes, I think so, but it is not so easy

I will put it simple: the issue could be fixed either by decreasing hp damage/armor piercing of 20mm shells, or by increasing our hull's hp/armor. Which method is correct? I could have added much more parameters, but I think my example is rendering the idea anyway

I need for real life objective measurements to start with, for adjusting them to the SH5 world. Some of them aren't to be found (how to convert the concept of "hit points" in real therms? ), whereas other data possibly exist (i.e. shell's armor piercing capacity and blast radius), but they are incomplete or hardly found.

All in all, I think I will start from warship's armors. It shouldn't be difficult collecting this information. Armor piercing values for many guns/shells are also available or can be rougly extimated, but I need to understand if in SH5 this parameter is affected by distance, as in real life

Any suggestion?

[V13dweller]

The ship "Graf Zeppelin" can be destroyed by the 40mm anti air gun, that means aircraft an destroy it without even dropping a bomb, I tested that before, I placed the Graf Zeppelin in open water steaming at full speed to Germany, and the aircraft were shredding it with their machine guns.

It seems only actual Warships can resist the 40mm round.