Another UK Sub runs aground - Page 2

Kapitan · 05-29-08, 05:24 PM

Thing is though is it worth keeping a 32 year old submarine in the fleet paying out millions for another years service only then to be decomissioned, personally yes scrap her and spend the money on another astute.

Cohaagen · 06-18-08, 05:38 AM

Kapitan-

It is definitely worth keeping Super-B in service as she has a special fit and facilities for deploying special forces, ie. SBS. She also carries a Mystic-class DSRV. If she's scrapped, the fleet will be without either of these capabilities until a suitably modified Astute comes online. To lose the first capability will be a serious blow, and marks the first time in decades we've been without it.

The MoD has a poor record for opportunistic scrapping of damaged vessels as a cost-cutting expedient. Navweaps.com had the cheek to suggest that the scrapping of a carrier in the 60s after a mess fire was evidence of a defective design - the damage was actually minimal but had the misfortune to occur at a time when the fleet was being hacked away.

Kapitan · 06-18-08, 06:40 AM

for what its worth mystic is american DSRV we no longer use them, we have our own LR5 and she can be fitted to any submarine in our fleet ive seen pictures of her on tireless turbulent torbay vengence vangaurd and splendid without the need for any adaptions.

the submarine is what 32 years old which means she has done her miles and service i agree she should be kept in service but cost over a few more months maybe a years more service is the expenditure worth it?

Cohaagen · 06-18-08, 01:41 PM

The LR5 is strictly for rescue ops, eg. the Kursk incident, or that other Ivan sub that went under. It isn't suitable or equipped for the SBS. They use the American Mk8 Mod 1 SDV minisubs for shore insertion.

Also, apologies: I've mixed Superb up with the actual sub used for SBS operations - Spartan. The point is the same though, since Spartan is actually out of service already. Until an Astute hull converted for SDV use becomes available sometime in the next decade it seems we're back to the old Cockleshell Heroes bull****.

Ramius · 06-19-08, 05:29 AM

Ahh the old "Caravan Of Death" :rotfl: :rotfl:

lesrae · 06-20-08, 04:30 PM

I thought that was HMS Spartan that had the free-flood somersault tank?

Edit: Thought so, I remember seeing it at Rosyth - looked a bit cumbersome.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle992458.ece

Frame57 · 07-06-08, 11:08 PM

Don't the Brits get to drink booze on their ships? "What do you do with a drunken sailor....."

Linton · 07-07-08, 05:33 AM

There are some very good pictures of Spartan with her DDS here:
http://www.alide.com.br/Artigo/HMS%2...%20Spartan.htm

lesrae · 07-07-08, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frame57

Don't the Brits get to drink booze on their ships? "What do you do with a drunken sailor....."

They do, all of the messes have a bar.

Kapitan · 07-07-08, 03:32 PM

so do the russians but they get rationed to one glass of wine and one glass of vodka at one meal a day, gee just give us a bottle of each

Frame57 · 07-08-08, 04:26 PM

Dang it! It seems I joined the wrong Navy!

05-29-08, 05:24 PM	#16
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	Thing is though is it worth keeping a 32 year old submarine in the fleet paying out millions for another years service only then to be decomissioned, personally yes scrap her and spend the money on another astute. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

06-18-08, 06:40 AM	#18
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	for what its worth mystic is american DSRV we no longer use them, we have our own LR5 and she can be fitted to any submarine in our fleet ive seen pictures of her on tireless turbulent torbay vengence vangaurd and splendid without the need for any adaptions. the submarine is what 32 years old which means she has done her miles and service i agree she should be kept in service but cost over a few more months maybe a years more service is the expenditure worth it? __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

06-19-08, 05:29 AM	#20
Ramius Commander Join Date: May 2001 Location: At sea (again) Posts: 457 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Ahh the old "Caravan Of Death" :rotfl: :rotfl: __________________ There is a forgotten, nay even forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England

07-07-08, 05:33 AM	#23
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There are some very good pictures of Spartan with her DDS here: http://www.alide.com.br/Artigo/HMS%2...%20Spartan.htm __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

07-07-08, 03:32 PM	#25
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	so do the russians but they get rationed to one glass of wine and one glass of vodka at one meal a day, gee just give us a bottle of each __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

06-18-08, 05:38 AM	#17
Cohaagen Frogman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 296 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Kapitan- It is definitely worth keeping Super-B in service as she has a special fit and facilities for deploying special forces, ie. SBS. She also carries a Mystic-class DSRV. If she's scrapped, the fleet will be without either of these capabilities until a suitably modified Astute comes online. To lose the first capability will be a serious blow, and marks the first time in decades we've been without it. The MoD has a poor record for opportunistic scrapping of damaged vessels as a cost-cutting expedient. Navweaps.com had the cheek to suggest that the scrapping of a carrier in the 60s after a mess fire was evidence of a defective design - the damage was actually minimal but had the misfortune to occur at a time when the fleet was being hacked away.

06-18-08, 01:41 PM	#19
Cohaagen Frogman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 296 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	The LR5 is strictly for rescue ops, eg. the Kursk incident, or that other Ivan sub that went under. It isn't suitable or equipped for the SBS. They use the American Mk8 Mod 1 SDV minisubs for shore insertion. Also, apologies: I've mixed Superb up with the actual sub used for SBS operations - Spartan. The point is the same though, since Spartan is actually out of service already. Until an Astute hull converted for SDV use becomes available sometime in the next decade it seems we're back to the old Cockleshell Heroes bull****.

06-20-08, 04:30 PM	#21
lesrae Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, UK. Posts: 931 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	I thought that was HMS Spartan that had the free-flood somersault tank? Edit: Thought so, I remember seeing it at Rosyth - looked a bit cumbersome. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle992458.ece

07-06-08, 11:08 PM	#22
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Don't the Brits get to drink booze on their ships? "What do you do with a drunken sailor....."

07-08-08, 04:26 PM	#26
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Dang it! It seems I joined the wrong Navy!