UK Politics Thread

[Skybird]

Is it true that the good Friday agreement allows a referendum in North Ireland whetehr or nnot to unitr with the republic of Ireland? If true, this might be a direction things might shift if there is a hard Brexit - to prevent a new wave of violence about Ireland. London might not be happy, but as I always say: the local population of a reigon has any right there can be, always and naturally, do say they do not want any longer be governed by somebody else.



I think if this is possible, the EU will not be shy to bend rules and motivate Ireland, both Irelands, to go right this way. Even more punishing of the stubborn Brits. And thus very welcomed in Brussel. Might also pave the way for such referendums in Scotland again, and Wales? The eu no doubt will lure them with all money needed, even if it violates its own rules.


The British reply, or retaliation if you wish, could be to run an economic policy of radical low tax regime that will confront the continent's socialist tax tyrannies head on. A radical tax oasis is one of the best argument for free business to change headquarters. The EU doe snto want naitons to compete with each other. So here is right one of the eU's weak points.

Somehow Britain will need to run an economy after a hard Brexit. Liberalization of the fiscal regimes might be the only realistic option to clal back the producing industries that have lefdt Britain in the past 30 years. Its also the way to defend the financial centre market of London.

Drop taxes, and most dramatically so, Britain. Wanting to weasel through with what right now there is, imo will not work. The competition is not kind and understanding. And especially China has no understanding for such nonsense. They are too powerful by now as if they would need to listen to European laments and concerns.


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Brussel shot a terrible own goal today by forbidding Siemens and Alstrom to fusion, forming a - still inferior! - front to the globally advancing train and rail industry of China, namely CNNC. Quite retarded a decision, the Chinese now can take out both competitors one by one, so to speak. Childsplay, I predict. As good if not better high speed technology, for much lesser money, and selling this pack into third world countries by offering them attractive credit conditions - that later form the basis to push them deep into dependency form china when their victims learned that they were invioted to bite off more than thy could chew. Biggest looser: Europe. CNNC would still have been superior if the two biggest European train makers would have fused. Brussel needlessly helped the Chinese a lot here, and turned an already critical game into a lost one.



I recently read an old joke form the late 70s. A Chinese chicken tells a Western pig: let us do a joint venture, let us do a ham-and-egg joint venture. I give the eggs, and you bring the ham.

[mapuc]

The day is getting closer to where UK leave EU.

It will also be the day, if you read all these doomsdays prediction, where UK sinks into Hades.

So before I forget it.

It have been a real pleasure, to have known my English friends

Markus

[STEED]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The day is getting closer to where UK leave EU.

It will also be the day, if you read all these doomsdays prediction, where UK sinks into Hades.

So before I forget it.

It have been a real pleasure, to have known my English friends

Markus

Jim's handing out free beer as we go down HMS UK due to hit the EU Iceberg in 50 odd days time it's been a blast.

[Reece]

What do you think of this whole Brexit deal cat? . . . EU!!

[Catfish]

^ @Reece lol

Usually i hold myself back a bit, but after all this here i think it is time to call a spade a spade.


@ Jim i do not think those propaganda posters you posted have much to do with reality.

Regarding Farage about Tusk, always heartwarming to see when an arrogant bully like Farage is astonished others can hit back like him. How unfair! Racist!! (just of all Farage, laughing my a.. off) Blah!!! Unfortunately Tusk does not quite possess the poisonous rhethorics of a Farage, but it was refreshing to see for once.


After all this Tusk meant it in good humour, something that brexiters seem to have forgotten since 2016.
How often have Farage and and other UK politicians together with tabloids like the SUN, the Express etc. insulted the EU and its 27 other nations of being Nazis, Soviets, arrogant and bullies creating a europen superstate, without shame and (even worse) without ever getting the appropriate answer?

Allthose making those accusations (oviously without having a clue about the democratic processes within the EU) should decide whether the EU is falling down and collapsing, or becoming the Nazi superstate (yes Rees Mogg and Duncan Smith said that), or a new kingdom, with a Napoleon, or Hitler, or Juncker becoming the absolutist ruler eating babies for breakfast, or an Isis Caliphate, or the prison of the Soviet Union, or WHATEVER propaganda can think of to insult those bloody foreigners.

"quislings, collaborators, traitors – language that pitches the EU not as a club run by some of Britain’s closest allies, but a hostile force at war with England."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...d-we-re-abuser

Brexiteers liken European leaders to Nazis and Soviets, but the minute they answer back, they cross the line?
The Sun, The Express and those other Murdoch papers influenced by Russia have become the new low level of coverage and propaganda, and i am a bit concerned that some here and just of all Jim echoes that.


After two years of negotiations back and forth, with England trying to cherry-pick again (and the EU succumbing to a lot of it) the negotiated deal has been destroyed by those who proposed it, with two years wasted, all beginning from scratch and no one knowing how long all this will last.
No wonder it all gets on everybody's nerves.


(OT does Farage really think that George Soros the jew is after him? It seems Farage has come a long way, now he's building up the far right "Movement" in Europe, with help of Alex Jones and together with Steve Bannon.
"Hungarian-born investor and philanthropist, who after the fall of communism, funded democracy-building institutions and movements across eastern Europe. He became a hate figure to the Russian government, who launched a propaganda campaign portraying him as a meddling Jewish banker."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-questions)

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile...down on the ranch.

[Jimbuna]

Theresa May is in Brussels to press EU leaders for legally binding changes to the Brexit deal.

The PM will insist the UK will not be "trapped" in the backstop - the plan to avoid the return of Irish border checks whatever UK-EU trade deal is agreed.

She will say the plan must change if it is to win the support of MPs who urged her to seek "alternative arrangements" when rejecting the deal last month.

However, the EU has repeatedly ruled out changing the withdrawal agreement.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47152035

I continue to believe she is wasting her breath....far too early in this game of 'chicken' should there be any change at all.

The UK's lowest-paid workers will get a pay rise of more than £2,600 per year under a Labour government, Jeremy Corbyn will say.

During a visit to Worcester, the Labour leader will set out policies including a pledge to raise the National Living Wage to £10 an hour in 2020.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47149646

Steptoe sick of being out of the limelight just has to raise his head from under his rock

[Skybird]

^ ^ Its worth to remind of this read that August has linked to two days ago. It fits like "the fist on the eye" (German proverb).

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...px6f8Xibf-nlfA

[Jimbuna]

Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker have described their talks on changing the Brexit deal as "robust but constructive", in a joint statement.

The European Commission President stressed the withdrawal agreement could not be changed, as the UK PM wants.

But he said the EU was open to adding words to the non-binding future relations document that goes with it.

The two leaders agreed to meet for further talks before the end of February.

The EU and UK Brexit negotiating teams are, meanwhile, set to resume their talks to find out "whether a way through can be found that would gain the broadest possible support in the UK Parliament and respect the guidelines agreed by the European Council".

And Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay and EU negotiator Michel Barnier will hold talks in Strasbourg on Monday.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47152035

Most predictable and seeing as Parliament have refused to accept Mays Brexit deal and a majority have already voted against a no deal exit.

What now?

[Skybird]

adding words to the non-binding future relations document

Thats where I lost interest again.

[STEED]

It's the second coming of Corbyn...WE ARE ALL SAVED!

Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan promising, Donald Tusk tells Theresa May

https://news.sky.com/story/not-helpf...ttack-11630806


It's all over people we are saved we are saved.

The church of Corbyn has saved the UK from Brexit hell.

[mapuc]

^ is it now you shall raise your hands and say

Praise the Parliament

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The Momentum deselection train has pulled into Luciana's constituency...

Add the fact she is Jewish and Steptoe is adamant there is no anti semitism in his party then come to your own conclusion.

A Labour MP who has been critical of party leader Jeremy Corbyn faces a no confidence vote in her consitituency.

Luciana Berger faces two no confidence motions tabled by the Liverpool Wavertree Constituency Labour Party.

They have called for these to be discussed in a meeting scheduled on February 17.

Ms Berger, who is Jewish, has been highly critical of Mr Corbyn over his handling of anti-Semitism within the Labour Party.

She has also criticised his stance on Brexit.https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4060926.html

[Jimbuna]

Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan promising, Donald Tusk tells Theresa May

You can add Guy Verhofstadt to the above and tbh I'm not sure what Steptoe is playing at because this could well split his party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47160625

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The Momentum deselection train has pulled into Luciana's constituency...

Add the fact she is Jewish and Steptoe is adamant there is no anti semitism in his party then come to your own conclusion.

Corbyn can not be trusted he is Momentum's puppet.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

You can add Guy Verhofstadt to the above and tbh I'm not sure what Steptoe is playing at because this could well split his party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47160625

Joking aside of course the EU likes Labour's plan it keeps the UK tied to the EU.