Football World Cup 2018 - Page 8

Skybird · 07-04-18, 06:19 AM

Da sind die Deutschen ein Mal nicht dabei, und schon werden die Tommies übermütig und tun, so als gehöre der Ball ihnen...

Not talking of the Colombian fans, but the team: I'm happy they got kicked out, I do not like them at all, they formed a strong basis of being antipathic to them with their arrogance and theatralic show-acting in second half. Disgusting.

The referee I read has a reputation in the US of being a lousy one, and he certainly served that reputation yesterday. Terrible performance by him. Worst referee performance I have seen at the tournament so far.

Congrats to England. It really is time for them to finally win something, finally. If not this time, when then?

Skybird · 07-04-18, 07:20 AM

Well, and this vitriolic German comment on Neymar's hidden, I mean: all to obvious acting talents, shall not be hidden from your eyes. He may or may not be a good football technician, but as a sportsman he is a terrible and most distateful disaster, even more so since it is not the first time he behaved like a rat. Disgusting. He should play in team Colombia, I think they deserve each other.

"Pray for Neymar" - German language, maybe Google Bot works. I laughed myself off the chair.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/sport/fa.../22763558.html

Maybe I launch a petition for awarding Neymar this year's Oscars. All of them.

Jimbuna · 07-04-18, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg322

do they play Piggybacks in Rugby ? It was more like watching the Grand National

Jimbuna · 07-04-18, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Not talking of the Colombian fans, but the team: I'm happy they got kicked out, I do not like them at all, they formed a strong basis of being antipathic to them with their arrogance and theatralic show-acting in second half. Disgusting.

The referee I read has a reputation in the US of being a lousy one, and he certainly served that reputation yesterday. Terrible performance by him. Worst referee performance I have seen at the tournament so far.

Couldn't agree more and I'd like to hear his excuse for giving a yellow card for a head butt when the laws of the game stipulate violent conduct is an automatic red

Skybird · 07-04-18, 10:48 AM

The DFB is a union of cowardly dilletantees. Much disconnection from reality, much eying of the money.

The promised new start looks like this: Joachim Löw continues. Team manager Bierhoff, who is the driving force behind the commercialisation of the team and its growing distance to fans and the latter's alienation, stays. Players who are not too old, will stay.

The trainer, whose overaged views, seen as untouchable, have caused this disaster, now shall be the one making all and everything new and fresh again.

Sorry, but that is absurd.

Bierhoff puzzled me even more few days ago, by stating that "the analysis of all parameters had shown that the German team were the best team of the tournament", and that "its failure is absolutely unexplainable".

Should I cry or laugh about this bullcrap?

Those who have career plans and financial interests, all stay in power. The DFB still obey to Löw. That is the new beginning! The analysis of factors why the team failed - showed that "it was the best team", and that its failure "cannot be explained". Wrong analysis methods, I suspect. Wrong prioritizing of variables. It cannot be explained why the Germans made a bad joke of themselves? Oh, it can be explained, but the DFB does not want to hear it. Bierhoff does not want to hear it. And Löw does not want to hear it. Its about the Yogification of German football now being driven too far - while not beign superior anymore to what other national teams do. Some of the players who dissapointed most already, are said to be part of Löw's great new beginning. And the team manager dreams of further professionalising the team's relation to the fans. What that means, should be clear after the past years. The need to open your wallet even wider, while getting less in return.

I wrote early in this thread that there is a strange desinterest to be felt here in Germany, at the cup's beginning and after the end as well. Germans do not connect to this artificial product "Nationalmannschaft" anymore. Its a product from the political as well as commercial marketing lab by now. The identification value of its members tends to point towards nill. Which is seen as being politically most correct over here: there have been calls by Greens and Linke to break off small flags from cars and steal German symbols on display in gardens. Not as if there was much to steal and much to break anyway, as I said, the desinterest was immense, not much flag stuff on display anywhere anyway.

Nothing changes with this new beginning. The alienation between team and DFB, and the fans, will grow. It will become worse in the coming years, I predict. If they woud get the bill for that in two and four years again, I would call that well-deserved, and just.

Lesson of it all: since nothing can be explained, nobody is responsible and so all can stay and nobody has to draw consequences and nobody must get fired.

I would fire the complete management and leadership level of the DFB. All of them, the complete management.

I stick to it: of course Löw has to be fired. OF COURSE. And Bierhoff as well.

A very good first reflection about it, and Löw, I already read several days ago: "A Somehow named Löw", its in German.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/fus...ue#pageIndex_0

Löw has had his merits, nobody denies that. But he has overstayed his time, and by now his old convictions are part of the problem. Himself he sees as, in Merkel-language, being without alternative, apparently, and so the players have to face the fallout all alone. Unforgivable.

To stay nevertheless, for Löw and the DFB and Bierhoff that seems to have become a purpose in itself.

Is there any other football country where this would have been possible?

Threadfin · 07-04-18, 02:55 PM

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Quite literally in this case.

I was shocked as well by this announcement. Low should have resigned and saved everyone the trouble. When he did not, it fell on the DFB to do it. And they didn't, which as Skybird said, is absurd.

I posted in another forum asking for the general German reaction to this. If there is indeed a sense of disinterest, that might be the most shocking part of it all.

Well, at least they will send Ozil packing. Right? Right?

Bilge_Rat · 07-04-18, 03:15 PM

never been much of a soccer fan, but am enjoying watching these games.

Hope England makes it all the way!

I am surprised though, for a no contact sport, there does seem to be a lot of it...

Skybird · 07-04-18, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Threadfin

Well, at least they will send Ozil packing. Right? Right?

They won't. Too much political symbolism, too much Nibelungentreue by Löw.

Skybird · 07-04-18, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I am surprised though, for a no contact sport, there does seem to be a lot of it...

Yes, the brutality of physical attacks sometimes is unbelievable. The suffering is beyond imagination. Worse than Verdun. A miracle they did not need to amputate his leg.

Skybird · 07-05-18, 06:56 AM

World cup news holds it that there is no news today.

STEED · 07-05-18, 08:17 AM

I did not watch England's last match as i was at work. What i can make out it was a poor show by England and had to be decided by penalty shoot out. Sounds like i missed nothing of interest, may be able to watch their next game Saturday if i can be bothered to watch a bunch of women.

Cyborg322 · 07-05-18, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I did not watch England's last match as i was at work. What i can make out it was a poor show by England and had to be decided by penalty shoot out. Sounds like i missed nothing of interest, may be able to watch their next game Saturday if i can be bothered to watch a bunch of women.

You should just slacken off your Bra and continue with your knitting instead or go out for a long run for a couple of hours in the sweltering heat alongside a river full of mosquitos a man on your back angry fishermen and actors kicking and elbowing you and when you get back home ask your next door neighbour to head butt you

STEED · 07-05-18, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg322

You should just slacken off your Bra and continue with your knitting instead or go out for a long run for a couple of hours in the sweltering heat alongside a river full of mosquitos a man on your back angry fishermen and actors kicking and elbowing you and when you get back home ask your next door neighbour to head butt you

Taking the easy option loosing against Belgium was a disgrace.

Jimbuna · 07-05-18, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Taking the easy option loosing against Belgium was a disgrace.

Actually, many believe it was a tactical result to help ensure we got the easiest side of the draw.

Cyborg322 · 07-05-18, 09:43 AM

I think the players were not as motivated but they still wanted to win, the tactical choices made sense and don't forget Belgium are no push over ranked no3 By FIFA previously

Its all swings and roundabouts Belgium had a much easier task against Japan next match England could of easily gone out against Columbia

Brazil has still to show it form from previous World Cups and some of the big hitters like Germany are out. To predict an easier route it would be better to look at who was refereeing the games

Simon Patriot

07-04-18, 06:19 AM	#106
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,516 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Da sind die Deutschen ein Mal nicht dabei, und schon werden die Tommies übermütig und tun, so als gehöre der Ball ihnen... Not talking of the Colombian fans, but the team: I'm happy they got kicked out, I do not like them at all, they formed a strong basis of being antipathic to them with their arrogance and theatralic show-acting in second half. Disgusting. The referee I read has a reputation in the US of being a lousy one, and he certainly served that reputation yesterday. Terrible performance by him. Worst referee performance I have seen at the tournament so far. Congrats to England. It really is time for them to finally win something, finally. If not this time, when then? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-04-18, 07:20 AM	#107
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,516 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Well, and this vitriolic German comment on Neymar's hidden, I mean: all to obvious acting talents, shall not be hidden from your eyes. He may or may not be a good football technician, but as a sportsman he is a terrible and most distateful disaster, even more so since it is not the first time he behaved like a rat. Disgusting. He should play in team Colombia, I think they deserve each other. "Pray for Neymar" - German language, maybe Google Bot works. I laughed myself off the chair. https://www.tagesspiegel.de/sport/fa.../22763558.html Maybe I launch a petition for awarding Neymar this year's Oscars. All of them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-04-18, 10:48 AM	#110
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,516 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The DFB is a union of cowardly dilletantees. Much disconnection from reality, much eying of the money. The promised new start looks like this: Joachim Löw continues. Team manager Bierhoff, who is the driving force behind the commercialisation of the team and its growing distance to fans and the latter's alienation, stays. Players who are not too old, will stay. The trainer, whose overaged views, seen as untouchable, have caused this disaster, now shall be the one making all and everything new and fresh again. Sorry, but that is absurd. Bierhoff puzzled me even more few days ago, by stating that "the analysis of all parameters had shown that the German team were the best team of the tournament", and that "its failure is absolutely unexplainable". Should I cry or laugh about this bullcrap? Those who have career plans and financial interests, all stay in power. The DFB still obey to Löw. That is the new beginning! The analysis of factors why the team failed - showed that "it was the best team", and that its failure "cannot be explained". Wrong analysis methods, I suspect. Wrong prioritizing of variables. It cannot be explained why the Germans made a bad joke of themselves? Oh, it can be explained, but the DFB does not want to hear it. Bierhoff does not want to hear it. And Löw does not want to hear it. Its about the Yogification of German football now being driven too far - while not beign superior anymore to what other national teams do. Some of the players who dissapointed most already, are said to be part of Löw's great new beginning. And the team manager dreams of further professionalising the team's relation to the fans. What that means, should be clear after the past years. The need to open your wallet even wider, while getting less in return. I wrote early in this thread that there is a strange desinterest to be felt here in Germany, at the cup's beginning and after the end as well. Germans do not connect to this artificial product "Nationalmannschaft" anymore. Its a product from the political as well as commercial marketing lab by now. The identification value of its members tends to point towards nill. Which is seen as being politically most correct over here: there have been calls by Greens and Linke to break off small flags from cars and steal German symbols on display in gardens. Not as if there was much to steal and much to break anyway, as I said, the desinterest was immense, not much flag stuff on display anywhere anyway. Nothing changes with this new beginning. The alienation between team and DFB, and the fans, will grow. It will become worse in the coming years, I predict. If they woud get the bill for that in two and four years again, I would call that well-deserved, and just. Lesson of it all: since nothing can be explained, nobody is responsible and so all can stay and nobody has to draw consequences and nobody must get fired. I would fire the complete management and leadership level of the DFB. All of them, the complete management. I stick to it: of course Löw has to be fired. OF COURSE. And Bierhoff as well. A very good first reflection about it, and Löw, I already read several days ago: "A Somehow named Löw", its in German. http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/fus...ue#pageIndex_0 Löw has had his merits, nobody denies that. *But he has overstayed his time, and by now his old convictions are part of the problem. Himself he sees as, in Merkel-language, being without alternative, apparently, and so the players have to face the fallout all alone. Unforgivable. To stay nevertheless, for Löw and the DFB and Bierhoff that seems to have become a purpose in itself. Is there any other football country where this would have been possible? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.* Last edited by Skybird; 07-04-18 at 03:41 PM.

07-04-18, 02:55 PM	#111
Threadfin Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,076 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Quite literally in this case. I was shocked as well by this announcement. Low should have resigned and saved everyone the trouble. When he did not, it fell on the DFB to do it. And they didn't, which as Skybird said, is absurd. I posted in another forum asking for the general German reaction to this. If there is indeed a sense of disinterest, that might be the most shocking part of it all. Well, at least they will send Ozil packing. Right? Right? __________________ What? Behind the rabbit?

07-04-18, 03:15 PM	#112
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,793 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	never been much of a soccer fan, but am enjoying watching these games. Hope England makes it all the way! I am surprised though, for a no contact sport, there does seem to be a lot of it... __________________

07-05-18, 06:56 AM	#115
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,516 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	World cup news holds it that there is no news today. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-05-18, 08:17 AM	#116
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I did not watch England's last match as i was at work. What i can make out it was a poor show by England and had to be decided by penalty shoot out. Sounds like i missed nothing of interest, may be able to watch their next game Saturday if i can be bothered to watch a bunch of women. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!